HIF wrote:danfantastk32 wrote:HIF wrote:You really don't want the parity you're claiming. Liverpool could end up finishing 14th in the league easily. You want to have the most money to spend so that you can win more than 3 trophies each year. That's sad.
I'd really rather you didn't tell me what it is that I think. Firstly, it should be noted that I brought this up before yesterday. Yesterday was a tough one to swallow, but that's sports. We both understand that. Yes, I know Liverpool will come in 14th in a league with parity. My Lakers have just dealt with their worst decade prob ever. Being a fan is not all peaches and cream....nobody claimed in would be. So you can stop with the "I want 3 trophies each year" stuff. Your putting words in my mouth.
The prem has basically had 3 winners the last 20 years...with your Liecester squad, and Liverpool each nabbing one. Yesterday City won it's 4th in 5 years, and as I pointed out, already have top talent on the way. I think the league could be better....all I'm saying.
Don't know about you.....but I was a little over the Cav's / Warriors by their 4th straight final. I'm a little over MC now. It would be nice to see some other teams A) win the league, and B) be competing for top 4. And yes, I am aware that there are guys who are 'over Liverpool'. But in reality....we've won 2 FA cups, 1 Prem, and 2 CL (maybe 3) in 25 years. So we're hardly gobbling up all the hardware. That's a trophy every 5 years. So while we may be a "big 4" or whatever.....and it's fun to throw stones at us as "spoiled"....truth is a trophy every 5 years is really nothing special. And if someone wants to point to Sheffield and say "well what have they won in 25 years??!!" <----- YES!!! That's my point exactly! Thank you! Almost every team should have a piece or two of hardware every 10-15 years. THATS sports, if you ask me.
The reason I don't care for Spanish football is that it's the same season over and over again. Go look at their history: Barca and Madrid have like 75 of the last 90 titles. What's the fun in that? How is that interesting? Do you really hit the streets and light it up if your a Madrid fan.....I mean come on. You've basically got about a 45% chance of winning every year. How's that fun to watch by the 25th year? I just don't want to see the Prem turn into this. Doubly so when it's an owner who just pours hundreds of millions in over a couple seasons, and manufactures a dynasty....overtaking the last billionaire who did the same.
You can have a different opinion. Maybe you think the Prem is perfect, and hey....thats fine. I can respect that. But don't tell me I just want to hog all the trophies for myself....like I'm some kinda 4 year old, who didn't get his way.
Sorry that you think I'm putting words in your mouth. I was saying what I understood you were saying, obviously didn't understand.
To me it seems that you have a very short term view of football. So what if Man city have won the title a lot recently, they have been the best, before your time period of 20 years ago, they didn't win it at all however it was the same but it was Man U and Arsenal and Liverpool. I reckon in 10 years it'll be Newcastle and whomever else has invested in their teams. The prem is a very competitive league where any team can win on any given week. I don't like some teams who have an excessive financial advantage and that was supposed to be stopped with FFP which needs improving but for any of the big 6 (now7) to be complaining about others having a financial advantage is ludicrous. Liverpool are as much to blame for this as anyone. The big few have been voting to keep themselves at the top forever. If anyone should be complaining at the moment it's the other divisions in England which have been cheated by the prem setup.
I'm sure you know your Liverpool history. When was the last time they didn't finish in the top 8 (of 92)? I'm sure you know it was a while before you were born.
So if it comes across that I think your acting like some kind of 4 year old I'm sorry but you're acting like some spoilt reactionary aren't you?
Nah man....we're good. Perhaps I took what you wrote the wrong way.
Look....I get where your coming from. And I also understand it's a little hard to hear this coming from a Liverpool fan, and the timing makes it triple so. It just sounds like Im a sore loser. But where I'm coming from is this: It all started out looking back at titles for a discussion about Wenger, and it's really when I noticed how lopsided the league is, as far a trophies. It just shocked me, and I don't know that it a great thing. And it really started late-70's early 80's with Liverpool. They seemed to go on a tear, and oddly enough....Everton were right there. So while I call them the Manchester Twins....peeps in the 80's bemoaned the Liverpudlians, or whatever =0)
And then yeah....90's early 2000's were all ManU and Arsenal. I want to point out that I am not happy about any of that either. I wasn't watching in the 80's and early-mid 90's so I'm not gonna get too worked up about that. I leave that for someone else. But I will say I don't find that too healthy either. You go back before the 80's......and you've got like 14-15 different teams winning it all in 30 years. I think thats a great thing!
But while I do agree that there seems to be cycles. Liverpool had theirs in 80's. Arsenal had a run. United had an absolutely historical 20-some years.....I feel like those were (less than the old days prob) someone "home made". I think United signed that guy in the 90's who really changed things for them.....but you had a massive majority of guys from their youth...with a nice signing here or there (Rio Ferdinand was huge signing for them). I don't know about Arsenal. I have a feeling it was quite a bit less 'home grown', but there were guys there who were not stars. Who were Arsenal through.
But then came Chelsea. And it was like "I want this guy. And that guy. Ooh....yeah, I'll take him. And let's get that guy....." You know what I mean....I'm sure you were there. That forced United and Liverpool to step up their buying game, and then City showed up, and took it to a whole new level.
I don't hate City. I have a buddy who's from Manchester, and had been a starving City fan all his life. I was super happy for him when they hoisted their title. And then a little less happy the 2nd time, but still happy.........but 6 titles later in a decade, with no sign of stopping.....yeah, I gotta say I'm over it. And will it end? Sure.....Man City will not always be the one. But I don't want there to be "a one". And I want it even less to depend solely on an owner, who splashes $$$ at everything. I don't know about you.....but I was so freakin sick of United winning title after title after title after title....but then instead of things "going back to normal" for a while, you instead just get the new bully on the corner. With the disparity of the 'haves and have-nots' getting deeper and deeper.
We shouldn't have the same 6-7 teams winning EVERYTHING for 30-35 years. And we shouldn't have the same 3 teams winning the title....with some lucky shmoe poking his head up once a decade to "steal one" <----almost how it feels.
50% of the league shouldn't go hardware-less for 40 years.....I'm sorry. I don't think that's a good thing at all.
I know Liverpool are on a run of good form, and we're really lucky to have the pockets and the players to stay relevant for as often as we are. But we're 1 title in 30-35 years. Thank god for Europe, or we'd have one trophy a decade. And Liverpool fans are supposed to feel special, and lucky!! I mean, how crazy is that???
But again...I have no idea how to fix. Was just pointing out that I think it's flawed. The frustration of City A)winning again, and B) pulling the rug out from under us, prob led to the bottle exploding...as it were. So I know the timing looks bad. But I just think all across the boards......you can't have 2-3 teams winning it all with some random team breaking through ONCE every decade. And you can't have half the league winning nothing for decades. It's not good sports, IMO.
I think its the owner thing. You have great players. You know Jordan had his run with the Bulls. Kobe got 5. Duncan got 5. Lebron has 4...and has been to many finals. That's sorta understandable...and even with them, they only win about once every 4 years. And then those teams come and go about every 10-12 years.....with plenty of other teams in between winning. You've got tons of winners in the NBA over the last 30 years. And for every winner you have a Phoenix, or a Sacramento, or Houston, or OKC, or Jazz who may not win....but have legitimate shots for a few years, and fans have something to really be hopeful for. You don't have to win....but holy hell....you gotta have a reason to hope every once in a while, no? I mean if your Burnley, and you knock Liverpool or Chelsea out of the FA quarter finals once every 15 years......does that really do it for you?
Anyhow....I think the owners bring a new dynamic. And while you might get lucky, and be chosen.....great.....enjoy 8 titles in 12 years, until the next owner comes along. But it's not a good LEAGUE.
I've prob repeated myself enough. Sorry for the book. You know, there are a ton of positives. The last day was really special, and had lots of stories....and was a nail-biter for alot of teams. Sorry to Arse for missing CL. Grats to Tott for making it. And I really do mean this when I say that MC watched it all get flushed away in 10 minutes of craziness a few weeks back. And it was all happening again, but they mustered up some magic of their own, and won it with an amazing bit of play of their own. They are totally worthy champs. My issue is not with losing. And I do think that for all the flaws, there's still plenty of days like yesterday that show how healthy the league is.
But how many titles to City have to win before it turns into Spain? 5 more? 10 more? I'd like to see half the league win at least 1 title before City win 10 more. Same if it were Liverpool. But we now what the overwhelmingly likely scenario is. City are more likely to win 10 before 3 other teams win 1.
