2015-16 English Premier League Discussion Thread

[DD12]

Such a good feeling after watching that game. I think many on the board have been saying we needed an upgrade in goal and now we're starting to see some of the preliminary results of that. The change alone probably doesn't win the league or the CL, but I think Jose absolutely knew what he was doing when he said he didn't want Cech to be sold to Arsenal.

The next steps are to make sure we have adequate depth and then we've gotta focus on keeping everyone healthy.

I hear this every year bro.

[Foye]

He never does it in UCL and Belgium which are the actually legit games.

I dont care what he does against Sunderland or Stoke.
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He was one of the best players in the CL until we got knocked out.

If you don't care what he does against Sunderland or Stoke, why do you rate De Brunye so much? Because HSV is so much better than Stoke? Because his MOTM performance against Alegeria counts more?

It really does not make any sense what you are saying.

Did you ever see me stating that I rate De Bruyne over Hazard? De Bruyne is a fantastic player to watch but certainly not top 5 or top 10 in the world.

I just dont get why people continue to rate Hazard a top ten player in the world when he has never done it in UCL or NT.

People rate him over Robben or Iniesta these days. Mourinho even thinks he is top 3 in the world which is ridiculous.

Maybe someday he will grow into the same caliber but he's not there yet.

[5DOM]

He never does it in UCL and Belgium which are the actually legit games.

I dont care what he does against Sunderland or Stoke.
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He was one of the best players in the CL until we got knocked out.

If you don't care what he does against Sunderland or Stoke, why do you rate De Brunye so much? Because HSV is so much better than Stoke? Because his MOTM performance against Alegeria counts more?

It really does not make any sense what you are saying.

Did you ever see me stating that I rate De Bruyne over Hazard? De Bruyne is a fantastic player to watch but certainly not top 5 or top 10 in the world.

I just dont get why people continue to rate Hazard a top ten player in the world when he has never done it in UCL or NT.

People rate him over Robben or Iniesta these days. Mourinho even thinks he is top 3 in the world which is ridiculous.

Maybe someday he will grow into the same caliber but he's not there yet.

Well you basically said he's not a great player and that you've never seen him have a good game. Also, he was just as good in the CL as he is usually in the PL.

I only mentioned De Bruyne because you obviously rate him as a "fantastic player" despite the fact he's shown much less than Hazard who apparently only does well against the Stokes and Sunderlands of the world. As for Jose's comment, I don't think even he actually believes Hazard is better than Ronaldo. Stuff like that are what managers can and do sometimes say.

[Foye]

He was one of the best players in the CL until we got knocked out.

If you don't care what he does against Sunderland or Stoke, why do you rate De Brunye so much? Because HSV is so much better than Stoke? Because his MOTM performance against Alegeria counts more?

It really does not make any sense what you are saying.

Did you ever see me stating that I rate De Bruyne over Hazard? De Bruyne is a fantastic player to watch but certainly not top 5 or top 10 in the world.

I just dont get why people continue to rate Hazard a top ten player in the world when he has never done it in UCL or NT.

People rate him over Robben or Iniesta these days. Mourinho even thinks he is top 3 in the world which is ridiculous.

Maybe someday he will grow into the same caliber but he's not there yet.

Well you basically said he's not a great player and that you've never seen him have a good game. Also, he was just as good in the CL as he is usually in the PL.

I only mentioned De Bruyne because you obviously rate him as a "fantastic player" despite the fact he's shown much less than Hazard who apparently only does well against the Stokes and Sunderlands of the world. As for Jose's comment, I don't think even he actually believes Hazard is better than Ronaldo. Stuff like that are what managers can and do sometimes say.

With good CL performances you mean the one were Chelsea played 90 minutes up a man and Hazard was kept in check by Marquinhos and later van der Wiel (who is not exactly known for his defensive stability) all game long? Yeah, he scored a penalty and it is obvious he has great technique but he is not nearly effective enough in terms of creating chances in these games to be considered a top 5 player in the world.

It is just my opinion and we have had this discussion way too often now. I'll be the first to admit when Hazard proves me wrong (similar to Juve last season when they kicked out Real Madrid) but as for now he is definitely not among the top 5 for me.

Regarding de Bruyne, he is a fantastic player because he works tirelessly. His offensive workrate is absolutely off the charts. Doesn't mean I consider him a top 10 player, though. As you say, he hasn't done anything in the top level competitions.

[5DOM]

Not only did he play well against PSG, I didn't know CL consisted of 1 round? He's been doing it for years against top competition. If you are so tired of this discussion, maybe you shouldn't have brought it here in the first place with that weird initial comment

[DD12]

De Bruyne who had only one good season in his career and couldn't even make it to the chelsea's bench is great but hazard is bad. This is the logic of Germans. It was like thie and it will always be like this.

[No_20]

It's true that many Chelsea fans call Hazard better than Neymar.

[No_20]

Arsenal fans summed up in a tweet and a pic:

https://www.twitter.com/UnrealTouch/status/627870566184259585

[El Turco]

"He beat Wigan, hull, reading, villa now Chelsea."

damn, that's who is who of english football

[MaliBrah]

"He beat Wigan, hull, reading, villa now Chelsea."

damn, that's who is who of english football

I don't get this

[El Turco]

i was responding to the tweet that said ozil never lost a game in wembley

[MaliBrah]

oh ahaha , Yeah we haven't played the best of competition there. Hopefully if we make it far this year in the cups we can face a big team there.

[MaliBrah]

Arsenal fans summed up in a tweet and a pic:

https://www.twitter.com/UnrealTouch/status/627870566184259585

Spoiler:

This is HSV summed up in a pic.

[cgf]

Arsenal fans summed up in a tweet and a pic:

https://www.twitter.com/UnrealTouch/status/627870566184259585

Spoiler:

This is HSV summed up in a pic.

HSV hasn't been that exciting in years.

[Foye]

Not only did he play well against PSG, I didn't know CL consisted of 1 round? He's been doing it for years against top competition. If you are so tired of this discussion, maybe you shouldn't have brought it here in the first place with that weird initial comment

CL group stage games against Maribor or whoever dont count. And he hasnt done it in the knockout stage.

If you think he played well against Paris or against Atletico the year before or for Belgium in the WC we have a completely different understanding what a great player is.
Technical ability aside, he flat out does not create enough chances for himself and others compared to guys like Messi, Neymar, Robben, Ronaldo or even Müller (who is obv. worse technically but more than makes up for it with effort).

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[Foye]

De Bruyne who had only one good season in his career and couldn't even make it to the chelsea's bench is great but hazard is bad. This is the logic of Germans. It was like thie and it will always be like this.

Reading comprehension will never become one of your strengths it seems.

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[5DOM]

Not only did he play well against PSG, I didn't know CL consisted of 1 round? He's been doing it for years against top competition. If you are so tired of this discussion, maybe you shouldn't have brought it here in the first place with that weird initial comment

CL group stage games against Maribor or whoever dont count. And he hasnt done it in the knockout stage.

If you think he played well against Paris or against Atletico the year before or for Belgium in the WC we have a completely different understanding what a great player is.
Technical ability aside, he flat out does not create enough chances for himself and others compared to guys like Messi, Neymar, Robben, Ronaldo or even Müller (who is obv. worse technically but more than makes up for it with effort).

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He wasn't at his best, but just because he's not scoring 1+ goal a game, it doesn't mean he wasn't creating any chances. Also, sample size? You are focusing on PSG and Atletico who are two of the biggest teams in the world, and in the latter's case he played injured against arguably the best defensive team in the world at the time. And for Belgium in the WC? Games against the likes of Schalke, Maribor and Sporting don't matter but group stage games against the powerhouses Algeria, Russia and South Korea do?

Even if you wanted to focus on goals/assists, he scored or assisted against every top 10 team in the PL with the exception of Swansea last season, and many of them are significantly better than Schalke, Sporting, Algeria, Russia etc.

If you want to rate him lower than Robben and Muller, that's perfectly fine and reasonable (although I think Hazard could look a lot better than he does on a more stacked and offensive team and not on the most boring NT in the world), but let's not act like he's some bum who can only do it against crappy teams. Next you'll tell me Schurrle's the better player because he played well against PSG and in the WC.

[DD12]

If you want to rate him lower than Robben and Muller,

Individual talents and skills, Hazard is much much better than Muller and because of age, work ethics and injury issues slightly better than Robben.

[J-Mezzy]

[Foye]

Not only did he play well against PSG, I didn't know CL consisted of 1 round? He's been doing it for years against top competition. If you are so tired of this discussion, maybe you shouldn't have brought it here in the first place with that weird initial comment

CL group stage games against Maribor or whoever dont count. And he hasnt done it in the knockout stage.

If you think he played well against Paris or against Atletico the year before or for Belgium in the WC we have a completely different understanding what a great player is.
Technical ability aside, he flat out does not create enough chances for himself and others compared to guys like Messi, Neymar, Robben, Ronaldo or even Müller (who is obv. worse technically but more than makes up for it with effort).

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He wasn't at his best, but just because he's not scoring 1+ goal a game, it doesn't mean he wasn't creating any chances. Also, sample size? You are focusing on PSG and Atletico who are two of the biggest teams in the world, and in the latter's case he played injured against arguably the best defensive team in the world at the time. And for Belgium in the WC? Games against the likes of Schalke, Maribor and Sporting don't matter but group stage games against the powerhouses Algeria, Russia and South Korea do?

Even if you wanted to focus on goals/assists, he scored or assisted against every top 10 team in the PL with the exception of Swansea last season, and many of them are significantly better than Schalke, Sporting, Algeria, Russia etc.

If you want to rate him lower than Robben and Muller, that's perfectly fine and reasonable (although I think Hazard could look a lot better than he does on a more stacked and offensive team and not on the most boring NT in the world), but let's not act like he's some bum who can only do it against crappy teams. Next you'll tell me Schurrle's the better player because he played well against PSG and in the WC.

It is not my fault Chelsea always takes the round of 16 or quarter final exit (or even group stage) route since winning the CL back in 2012.
Naturally the sample size will be small.

WC is the biggest stage. Even a WC game against Trinidad and Tobago of all teams is more important than a CL group stage game against Schalke, or a PL game against Tottenham or whatever team. Everyone in your country wants to see you play well. The pressure is immense compared to club games. Hazard didn't take it too well in 2014.

I'm not saying he can't become a top 10 or even top 5 player one day. I'm actually sure he will at some point since he is still very young but he isn't currently. Not enough achievements & top performances in UCL and WC/ECs.

And no, Schürrle isn't a top player. Ever since he left Mainz 05 he hasn't improved. Not a single area of his game is better than in 10/11.