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Post#1061 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:05 am

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Twinkie defense wrote:Bradley was very good today. If you want to single out one person (which I don't, we got a point and are in the drivers seat) how about Cameron?


I do want to single out one person and I don't know why you or anyone else wouldn't? I actually watched him really closely because I couldn't believe how bad he played in the first game and he did 2 good things and about 10-12 bad ones.

Ya Cameroon sucks but that's not really what I was talking about or I would have used the word team in my comment.

The first game Bradley did not play well. The second game Bradley played very well. If you want to highlight one minute or one play from Bradley on the negative side as equating he had a bad game, then you have to take away all the good plays he made as well and the US probably loses 3-0.
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Post#1062 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:07 am

My prediction has been US beats Ghana, ties Portugal, beats Germany, so let's hope that holds up!

I also have been saying none of Spain, Argentina, Brazil, Germany would win the World Cup; instead it would be a dark horse, someone like Colombia or Chile. That is not looking too far off right now.
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Re: Official Team USA Thread 

Post#1063 » by Chuck Newhouse » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:31 am

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Twinkie defense wrote:Bradley was very good today. If you want to single out one person (which I don't, we got a point and are in the drivers seat) how about Cameron?


I do want to single out one person and I don't know why you or anyone else wouldn't? I actually watched him really closely because I couldn't believe how bad he played in the first game and he did 2 good things and about 10-12 bad ones.

Ya Cameroon sucks but that's not really what I was talking about or I would have used the word team in my comment.

The first game Bradley did not play well. The second game Bradley played very well. If you want to highlight one minute or one play from Bradley on the negative side as equating he had a bad game, then you have to take away all the good plays he made as well and the US probably loses 3-0.


What a blind homer. :nonono:
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Post#1064 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:35 am

Whatever muff Bradley made was not as bad as the muff Geoff Cameron made when he "passed" to Nani right in front of the US goal, giving Portugal a 1 goal advantage. And if not for that Cameron Muff US would have won 2-1.
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Post#1065 » by and1GS » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:08 am

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I do want to single out one person and I don't know why you or anyone else wouldn't? I actually watched him really closely because I couldn't believe how bad he played in the first game and he did 2 good things and about 10-12 bad ones.

Ya Cameroon sucks but that's not really what I was talking about or I would have used the word team in my comment.

The first game Bradley did not play well. The second game Bradley played very well. If you want to highlight one minute or one play from Bradley on the negative side as equating he had a bad game, then you have to take away all the good plays he made as well and the US probably loses 3-0.


What a blind homer. :nonono:


Lol solid logic. If you're looking for just one person to blame (you shouldn't, the whole team was sleep walking the last ten minutes) it's Cameron not Bradley. In central defense you're taught not to take risks near goal. He didn't concentrate and blew it. Bradley was tired and made a dumb play that led to poor defense on the flank that led to a cross that want cut off at near post and went to a guy that didn't have a defender on him goal side - Cameron again.

Agree Bradley need to understand the score line and just boot it near the corner flag, but come on...


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Post#1066 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:37 pm

IDK if Cameron will be starting again after his muffs vs. Portugal and Gonzales' (mostly, after his initial whiff) strong defense vs. Germany.
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Post#1067 » by LittleOzzy » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:30 pm

Proving how important Bradley is for team USA.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/devinpleuler/status/482246899316301824[/tweet]

Most distance covered, and 24th in distance covered in possession (12.2). He doesn't deserve the negativity directed his way considering what Team USA would look like in the midfield without him.
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Post#1068 » by BUCKnation » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:33 pm

The flack for Bradley is deserved. It's not b/c we think he is a bad player, he just isn't playing up to the level that we are used too.
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Post#1069 » by britblazerdude » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:57 pm

I don't understand why the American media is being all righteous and calling out the US players for scraping through undeservedly. It's quite sad, actually.
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Post#1070 » by and1GS » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:53 am

britblazerdude wrote:I don't understand why the American media is being all righteous and calling out the US players for scraping through undeservedly. It's quite sad, actually.


Most American sports talk shows that aren't soccer focused are painfully ignorant about the sport. I had to shut my TV off the other day after the fourth 'I still don't get how you can tie! And that makes no sense that they advance with a loss!' remark. It's also quite awkward when guys like Michael Wilbon talk out of their asses about the sport.


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Post#1071 » by Twinkie defense » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:19 am

That's stupid, the same thing happens in NBA, NFL, etc. etc. maybe if instead of points it was called magic number - combination of our wins and there losses - these guys would understand.

And even in NFL there are ties.
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Post#1072 » by Twinkie defense » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:21 am

BTW I don't think there is a Brazil/Chile thread? What a friigin awesome game. Big fan of Chile, too bad these two teams had to meet so early.
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Post#1073 » by PANDEMONEUM » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:18 pm

they say, Altidore is ready to go
i would NOT start him
maybe, not even play him
i think Dempsey has done a better job up top, than Jozy would have

i would consider starting Yedlin
he has done very well with his limited time
either, at R.FB with Fabian moved up
or with Fabian on the Left, and Bedoya and/or Zusi start
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Post#1074 » by Little Italia » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:48 pm

I wouldn't start Jozy either. May use him as a sub in the 70's.
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Post#1075 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:59 am

I was thinking sub in Jozy at first, but on further thought I think you start him. We need to attack - ONE shot on goal vs. Germany. Jozy up front better frees up Dempsey to do his thing. I know the US was playing defensively but we will have to outscore Belgium. And if Jozy is re-injured I would rather have to replace him with my first sub than go to ten men because he's subbed in late and can't go.
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Post#1076 » by and1GS » Tue Jul 1, 2014 7:28 pm

Cameron replacing DreadHead in the starting lineup - LOVE IT. 3 CBs in the center of the pitch makes for a physical match.
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Post#1077 » by BUCKnation » Wed Jul 2, 2014 4:23 am

End of world cup thoughts and maybe rant.

Goalkeeping:

Howard = God. Was probably a top 3 GK all tournament and I wouldn't be surprised to see him again in '18 if he is willing. GK age quite well compared to other positions. If not, Guzan is not bad at all.

Defense:
Fullbacks:

Thought Beasley and Johnson played surprisingly well, especially Beasley. He was pretty solid for the most part after the 1st half against Ghana when Atsu was consistently burning him. Johnson played awesome as well. Yedlin played like he was a vet out there. The moment definitely wasn't too big for him. I look forward to the potential pairing of Johnson on the left and Yedlin on the right in the near future.

Centerbacks:

Other than a couple of lapses (Portugal/Ghana, with the bad clearance and bad positioning), I thought Cameron played pretty well. I liked him in the DM role.

Gonzalez worried me a lot as he was quite off form coming into the WC and it seemed like we gave up a goal every time he came in late to give us 3 CBs (last friendly vs. Nigeria and Portugal), but he played really well in the Germany game and did very well in the Belgium game as well before the injury. I wish that didn't happen btw, as he would have been the only CB to match up with Lukaku's physicality and body type. We were too tired to deal with his presence and it showed.

Besler was solid throughout. Very few mistakes from him although he looked gassed in extra time and kept overcommitting. I'll chalk that up to fatigue as he was otherwise our best CB imo.

Brooks, what can I say. His header will be remembered for awhile. He was very good defensively as well in his appearance, although he was giving too much stick by some fans who were looking at him with a magnifying glass due to his recent struggles. He is definitely the CB of the future for this team. High potential.

Midfielders:
Outside Mids:

Zusi, I am a fan of him. He usually is the one providing the assists. He doesn't provide too much width, but when he does, he usually can whip in some nice crosses and his corners are excellent. I like him more as a sub late though, like in the Ghana game.

Is there a more forgettable player than Bedoya? What does he even do? He isn't bad, but he is just a non factor. Did he even play?

Why was Brad Davis on this team? He played a little over a half against Germany and had a howler. No reason for him to be on the squad over Donovan.

Julian Green proved the haters wrong. It did seem like a white flag move at first, but why not throw him in there. Turns out that he was the spark we needed. It was finally nice to have an outside mid/winger who actually knew his position and made runs. His first run to score was probably the best one from a winger on the team all tournament. He just knows what to do in those situations and I look forward to seeing him in the future. Hopefully this earns him some more PT.

Overall our outside mids/wingers were pretty poor offensively. Green in his few minutes showed what a true winger can do in terms of offense. Way too often it seemed like we were playing a 5-4-1 or something like that and relied on our fullbacks to make the runs. When we would start a counter it seemed like Dempsey was the only option, which was a problem. Our offense and possession suffered because of this area imo.

Center mids:

Bradley was crap. Usually one of the best and most consistent players, he forgot to show up. Way too many turnovers, way too many bad passes, and considering his experience lacked the kind of composure we expect from from him. He did have a few glimmers and nice balls, but overall just didn't show up.

Jones on the other hand was excellent. Maybe one of the biggest surprises of the team. Played consistently well throughout. Broke up plays, worked hard, and showed himself to be a nice offensive option. Overall, I couldn't be happier with his performances. Had some funny moments as well with his ridiculous head knocks.

Beckerman was also surprisingly solid. We know what he is, pretty much a 5th defender, but overall I thought he was solid during his team and did his job. I wish we would have saw more Mix. He could've maybe provided something more than Bradley in the CAM role. I think he was probably a bigger part of the plan, but untimely injuries led to unusual subs so that hurt his opportunity to get on the field. Also, can we please get this team on a yoga regiment to help with these hammy injuries. It was getting a bit ridiculous with the amount we suffered.

Forwards:

Altidore, his time was cut short. He was poised to make a big impact and never got the chance. His absence really hurt our overall squad play imo.

Dempsey was pretty awesome throughout. I wish he would have put a couple of his chances away today, but overall he was excellent considering the circumstances and lack of help he had. He is much better off of another striker.

Johannsson didn't due well in his time, but the team had to adjust when he came on and never successfully did. He is a proven striker in club play and I'm disappointed it wasn't him who got the opportunity today instead of Wondo. I feel like he didn't really get a fair opportunity to maximize his skill.

Wondo is useless. Seriously, f*** that guy for missing that putt into the back of the net. No reason he should have made the squad over Eddie Johnson, who I feel was a missing link. Sure he is off form atm, but he provides pace, skill, and power. An option we could have definitely used.

If you are still reading congrats, and thank you. Those are my thoughts on the team and tournament. I'm looking forward to our friendlies and tournaments coming up before '18. I think our current young core of Brooks, Green, and Yedlin is something to look forward too. Hopefully, we get talents like Zelalem, Junior Flores, Gil, and other young players come through and succeed.
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Re: Official Team USA Thread 

Post#1078 » by BUCKnation » Wed Jul 2, 2014 4:24 am

Wow that was easily the longest post of my time on here. :lol:

I just really wanted to get it out there though...
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Post#1079 » by and1GS » Wed Jul 2, 2014 5:47 am

BUCKnation wrote:End of world cup thoughts and maybe rant.

Goalkeeping:

Howard = God. Was probably a top 3 GK all tournament and I wouldn't be surprised to see him again in '18 if he is willing. GK age quite well compared to other positions. If not, Guzan is not bad at all.


Only position I'm never concerned about for the U.S., Guzan will be fine in 2018.

Defense:
Fullbacks:

Thought Beasley and Johnson played surprisingly well, especially Beasley. He was pretty solid for the most part after the 1st half against Ghana when Atsu was consistently burning him. Johnson played awesome as well. Yedlin played like he was a vet out there. The moment definitely wasn't too big for him. I look forward to the potential pairing of Johnson on the left and Yedlin on the right in the near future.

Centerbacks:

Other than a couple of lapses (Portugal/Ghana, with the bad clearance and bad positioning), I thought Cameron played pretty well. I liked him in the DM role.

Gonzalez worried me a lot as he was quite off form coming into the WC and it seemed like we gave up a goal every time he came in late to give us 3 CBs (last friendly vs. Nigeria and Portugal), but he played really well in the Germany game and did very well in the Belgium game as well before the injury. I wish that didn't happen btw, as he would have been the only CB to match up with Lukaku's physicality and body type. We were too tired to deal with his presence and it showed.

Besler was solid throughout. Very few mistakes from him although he looked gassed in extra time and kept overcommitting. I'll chalk that up to fatigue as he was otherwise our best CB imo.

Brooks, what can I say. His header will be remembered for awhile. He was very good defensively as well in his appearance, although he was giving too much stick by some fans who were looking at him with a magnifying glass due to his recent struggles. He is definitely the CB of the future for this team. High potential.


Yedlin/Johnson surprised me and they look like the future back there. Brooks is the future at CB, which is nice since he's actually young - I believe Onyewu was 26 or something when he broke through with us - but who plays with him? Besler was good and I really like Cameron, but the latter's lapses really upset me. Mostly because I think Cameron is our best defender talent-wise. Overall the defense looks good when it comes to physical traits. They weren't the problem, the problem on defense was due to the midfield - namely a lack of possession from CM and poor covering on the outside with Zusi being the main culprit.

Midfielders:
Outside Mids:

Zusi, I am a fan of him. He usually is the one providing the assists. He doesn't provide too much width, but when he does, he usually can whip in some nice crosses and his corners are excellent. I like him more as a sub late though, like in the Ghana game.

Is there a more forgettable player than Bedoya? What does he even do? He isn't bad, but he is just a non factor. Did he even play?

Why was Brad Davis on this team? He played a little over a half against Germany and had a howler. No reason for him to be on the squad over Donovan.

Julian Green proved the haters wrong. It did seem like a white flag move at first, but why not throw him in there. Turns out that he was the spark we needed. It was finally nice to have an outside mid/winger who actually knew his position and made runs. His first run to score was probably the best one from a winger on the team all tournament. He just knows what to do in those situations and I look forward to seeing him in the future. Hopefully this earns him some more PT.

Overall our outside mids/wingers were pretty poor offensively. Green in his few minutes showed what a true winger can do in terms of offense. Way too often it seemed like we were playing a 5-4-1 or something like that and relied on our fullbacks to make the runs. When we would start a counter it seemed like Dempsey was the only option, which was a problem. Our offense and possession suffered because of this area imo.


This is where we lost it IMO. Our outside mids were bad, wait no, they were ****. Zusi was crap outside of set pieces, Bedoya barely existed and Davis was only in there to cross it but couldn't even do that. As I mentioned a bit ago, this is where I think American soccer is drastically failing and has sucked at for as long as I can remember. 0 flair and 0 pace on the wings.

We NEED players like Green out there. Risk takers. Playing it safe won't get us far if we're out-matched talent-wise. Emerson Hyndman looks good, but Paul Arriola, Junior Flores and Gedion Zelalem if we can get him citizenship will usher in a new era of flair, pace and risk taking. We need that to start making serious noise without the help of dumb luck (the only way we would've beaten Belgium it seemed).

Center mids:

Bradley was crap. Usually one of the best and most consistent players, he forgot to show up. Way too many turnovers, way too many bad passes, and considering his experience lacked the kind of composure we expect from from him. He did have a few glimmers and nice balls, but overall just didn't show up.

Jones on the other hand was excellent. Maybe one of the biggest surprises of the team. Played consistently well throughout. Broke up plays, worked hard, and showed himself to be a nice offensive option. Overall, I couldn't be happier with his performances. Had some funny moments as well with his ridiculous head knocks.

Beckerman was also surprisingly solid. We know what he is, pretty much a 5th defender, but overall I thought he was solid during his team and did his job. I wish we would have saw more Mix. He could've maybe provided something more than Bradley in the CAM role. I think he was probably a bigger part of the plan, but untimely injuries led to unusual subs so that hurt his opportunity to get on the field. Also, can we please get this team on a yoga regiment to help with these hammy injuries. It was getting a bit ridiculous with the amount we suffered.


I think Bradley was bad for what we expected of him, which was never realistic. You can't expect a CDM to be a flashy 10. I think Mix will be big moving forward, as he's more of a traditional 10. Agree with your thoughts.

Forwards:

Altidore, his time was cut short. He was poised to make a big impact and never got the chance. His absence really hurt our overall squad play imo.

Dempsey was pretty awesome throughout. I wish he would have put a couple of his chances away today, but overall he was excellent considering the circumstances and lack of help he had. He is much better off of another striker.

Johannsson didn't due well in his time, but the team had to adjust when he came on and never successfully did. He is a proven striker in club play and I'm disappointed it wasn't him who got the opportunity today instead of Wondo. I feel like he didn't really get a fair opportunity to maximize his skill.

Wondo is useless. Seriously, f*** that guy for missing that putt into the back of the net. No reason he should have made the squad over Eddie Johnson, who I feel was a missing link. Sure he is off form atm, but he provides pace, skill, and power. An option we could have definitely used.

If you are still reading congrats, and thank you. Those are my thoughts on the team and tournament. I'm looking forward to our friendlies and tournaments coming up before '18. I think our current young core of Brooks, Green, and Yedlin is something to look forward too. Hopefully, we get talents like Zelalem, Junior Flores, Gil, and other young players come through and succeed.


Striker is another position where we have traditionally sucked. Altidore was gonna be big, so that's a huge bummer. Dempsey is likely done as well so that really sucks. I really wish EJ's resurgence was rewarded, but he was clearly to Klinnsman what Altidore was to Bradley - someone he didn't trust that would need to be subbed at minute 60-70.

In summary, I think we have a deeper and stronger talent pool than ever before, but we're about to see a ton of turnover with our most talented players. The midfield will be almost 100% new with only Bradley remaining (and you kow Zusi will somehow start...) which is a good thing, but what do we do without Dempsey? I really don't know, but I do know that Green has a good shot at filling his role - much to my surprise.

I'm excited about our future for the first time since...ever.
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Re: Official Team USA Thread 

Post#1080 » by Matty » Wed Jul 2, 2014 7:32 am

Outside of my oranje, the USMNT have certainly made me a fan and I will be following them from here on out. It seems like every summer until 2018 they will be busy too ; with gold cup (2015), copa America (2016), possible confederation cup (2017), and World Cup (2018).

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