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[Lakers415]

And Messi hasn't sucked for Argentina since 2012. He might not be as good as he is for Barcelona, but he hasn't sucked. Easily their best player in qualifiers, world cup, and Copa America.

Wrong noob.

JM has been argentina's best player.

Messi to his godly standards has sucked for Argentina, unlike his brazilian teammate.

[Lakers415]

I think Falcao is the best pk taker on the team, at least we know jose can use him on shootouts lol

NO...... NO.....

[Lakers415]

sell us cech , pretty please

Lol you know Mou is not selling to Wenger. Cech might end up at PSG or someone like that.

NO

[Lakers415]

Griezman is a legit star. I would be thrilled if we get him. Might actually give Hazard a run for his money for top player in the club too.

There's no question for me, Griezman is better than Sterling

Maybe I watch too little Atletico games but the dude has hardly impressed me at all in those games against Barca (Copa), Leverkusen and Real (CL).

Cuadrado needs some time. Its very hard to come to a new team in winter and immediately produce. He'll do better next year IF they give him a real chance.

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Oh Cuadrado is good, just hasn't fit on Mourinho's plans yet. Who knows if he will. Not everyone who fails at Chelsea is a scrub. Hope he gets going next season, but if not, he'll be okay in another team

NO cuadrado sucks and won't be a chelsea player this season or enjoy the bench.

[J-Mezzy]

Lol I struck a nerve with this troll. First time in my 4 years on this forum. I guess there is a first time for everything.

Go ahead, proceed and quote my every post that you disagree with just to make a point. Enjoy!

[Lakers415]

Lol I struck a nerve with this troll. First time in my 4 years on this forum. I guess there is a first time for everything.

Go ahead, proceed and quote my every post that you disagree with just to make a point. Enjoy!

No noob.

Your football knowledge is lacking.

[Baphomet]

Can we not do name-calling here? If your own football knowledge is so good, how about substantiating your claims instead of making blanket statements?

[truth18]

Can we not do name-calling here? If your own football knowledge is so good, how about substantiating your claims instead of making blanket statements?

He's a Lakers fan. That's all he knows

[El Turco]

i, myself was going to point out the illinois logo. amount of hurt we put on em in big ten gotta leave lasting damage.

[treiz]

b-b-but De Bruyne is better for Belgium so he must be better

KDB is better for belgium. Go ask any belgiain.

Just like how Messi is **** for argentina

Messi is better for any team, bad comparison.

And before you start trying to attack someone, how about instead calming the F down and have a discussion instead. From what I gather your 'football knowledge' isn't any better than what you called 'lacking'.

[Lakers415]

b-b-but De Bruyne is better for Belgium so he must be better

KDB is better for belgium. Go ask any belgiain.

Just like how Messi is **** for argentina

Messi is better for any team, bad comparison.

And before you start trying to attack someone, how about instead calming the F down and have a discussion instead. From what I gather your 'football knowledge' isn't any better than what you called 'lacking'.

How is that a bad comparison?

Messi for argentina and hazard for belgium are both half the players they are on club level? Maybe you should watch the international games

[J-Mezzy]

Not trying to keep the silly fighting with you, just having an honest debate.

Did you actually watch the 2014 WC CONMBEBOL qualifiers? Messi was by far their best player. Also, despite a disappointing ending, he had a very good world cup. He was also very good in Copa America despite not scoring. He provided most of the creative duties for the team and was responsible for a lot of their goals.

Is he as good as he was with Barcelona? No, but far from sucking as you claimed several times.

Now in regards to Mourinho and Cech, it's no secret that he did not want to sell him to Arsenal. Management went ahead and sold him despite of Mourinho's efforts because Cech requested to go there to stay in London. It was the honorable thing to do for a club leyend like Cech. Mourinho though, had no part on it which was my original statement.

[Lakers415]

Not trying to keep the silly fighting with you, just having an honest debate.

Did you actually watch the 2014 WC CONMBEBOL qualifiers? Messi was by far their best player. Also, despite a disappointing ending, he had a very good world cup. He was also very good in Copa America despite not scoring. He provided most of the creative duties for the team and was responsible for a lot of their goals.

Is he as good as he was with Barcelona? No, but far from sucking as you claimed several times.

Now in regards to Mourinho and Cech, it's no secret that he did not want to sell him to Arsenal. Management went ahead and sold him despite of Mourinho's efforts because Cech requested to go there to stay in London. It was the honorable thing to do for a club leyend like Cech. Mourinho though, had no part on it which was my original statement.

Messi is on a different level than everyone else so when people say he sucks for argentina, that mean's he is no where near the barcelona level, which is true. When your the best player in the world but a huge distance, you do not get the same standards as the other players.

Messi was ok in copa. He created the most because that's the role that was given to him by the manager.

Argentina and messi cannot hide anymore with the excuse that "argentina is a bad side."

Neymar plays fantastic for both country and club and is 2 goals away from messi's total.

[J-Mezzy]

But hide from what? They reached the final in back to back tourneys and while losing to Chile was a disappointment, I don't think many people had them penciled to beat Germany.

A bunch of players are great for both club and country, Muller, Alexis, Neymar, Suarez, James, Robben come to mind. Part of Messi's problem with Argentina is that there seems to be a lack of chemistry with the attacking players. Aguero and Messi for one have 0 chemistry.

[Foye]

But hide from what? They reached the final in back to back tourneys and while losing to Chile was a disappointment, I don't think many people had them penciled to beat Germany.

A bunch of players are great for both club and country, Muller, Alexis, Neymar, Suarez, James, Robben come to mind. Part of Messi's problem with Argentina is that there seems to be a lack of chemistry with the attacking players. Aguero and Messi for one have 0 chemistry.

The only reason Argentina was penciled as an underdog vs. Germany is that we beat the sh*t out of Brazil.
In terms of individual talent Germany and Argentina definitely were at least on even ground in WC 2014.

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[J-Mezzy]

I am worried about Costa, his lingering injury just won't go away. Don't think Remy or Falcao are ready to take on the responsibility.

[lukekarts]

I'm worried about this transfer window generally. Not replaced Luis (yet), have strengthened Arsenal (though I'm happy with Cech's replacement) and replaced a pretty useless striker with a more expensive pretty useless striker.

The squad isn't strengthened at all, and by standing still there's the risk of complacency, not to mention other teams around us seemingly doing a bit more to improve.

[Det the Threat]

Seems like Andreas Christensen(two year loan to Gladbach) will be a starter at cb at the start of the season for Borussia Mönchengladbach.

Will be interesting to see how he does and if there's a similar deal like the one of Thorgan Hazard(bought for €8M with a buyback option for Chelsea at €25M) in the cards as well.

[fatlever]

Is it time to start getting a little worried?

I don't care that we didn't win the last two friendlies vs Arsenal and Fiorentina. It was good to get minutes against quality competition leading up to the start of the season. However, I don't think its ever a good sign when you go scoreless for two straight games and generally seem to lack any scoring chances outside of set pieces. How much of the lackluster offense is a result of preseason, Costa's injury, other factors?

Costa has not been remotely reliable since the middle of last season and his replacements have been average, even on a good day. Hazard still seems to be the only attacking player we have that can take on defenders and make something out of nothing. Moses really showed some good signs this offseason, but does anyone have faith that he will get minutes ahead of Ramires, to even become the 4th choice attacking midfielder.

I'd be fine if we sold Cuadrado tomorrow. He looks overwhelmed every time he steps on the field. I'd rather have Salah or the 15 other attacking mids we sold over Cuadrado. I was actually a little excited about seeing him at right back yesterday when I saw the lineup, but sadly he was back on the right wing where he was useless once again. I'd also be fine if we sold Ramires tomorrow. He is not a winger and he doesn't really fit as a defensive holding mid either. It always seems like he would be best used in a 4-3-3 where he could play box to box. I'd rather see Oscar next to Matic than to see Ramires next to Matic. And I'd much rather see Moses, Oscar and Willian on the right wing ahead of Ramires.

Mikel shouldnt see the field unless we are hanging on to a lead with 10 minutes left.

I am a little worried about Cesc since its been many months since he has looked good for several games in a row.

Falcao and Remy, I hope they are up for it because it seems they will get plenty of time with Costa's hamstrings acting up again.

And finally, if Jose doesn't rate Oscar enough to give him minutes in the big games, then perhaps its time to cash in on his massive value and buy someone who can knock Ramires out of the lineup in those big games.

Begovic looks good, as does Zouma (except his crazy football tackle yesterday) this preseason. I'm sure Matic and Hazard will look better once the games count. And I have no worries about Courtois, Terry, Azpi and Ivanovic. They are always rock solid. Willian is who he is and I don't expect anything different this year compared to last year. His strengths and weaknesses remain.

Overall, I am concerned that we are placing way too much burden on Hazard to generate offense, especially with Costa being iffy and Cesc not playing like he did to start last year. We can't keep relying on our defender to score on set pieces and grinding out 1-0, 2-1 wins if we want to repeat as champions and possibly go further in CL.

[5DOM]

Yeah, so much depends on the health and form of Hazard, Fabregas and Costa that I highly doubt we'll win the league again this year.

Like you said, players like Cuadrado are lost causes, but I'm actually most worried about Ivanovic this year. He's not getting any younger and he's already been getting caught out of position increasingly often. I hope we can get Rahman in sooner than later.