2015–16 UEFA Champions League

DD12 · Post #121 » by **DD12** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 11:55 am

I love how germans are trying so hard to mention bayen in the same tier with real and bayern but everyone else knows it is not true. Their chance is as much as psg, porto or atletico madrid. Nothing more than that.

Andi Obst · Post #122 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 12:10 pm

DD12 wrote:I love how germans are trying so hard to mention bayen in the same tier with real and bayern but everyone else knows it is not true. Their chance is as much as psg, porto or atletico madrid. Nothing more than that.

Same chances as Porto?

LOL

Foye · Post #123 » by **Foye** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 12:32 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
DD12 wrote:I love how germans are trying so hard to mention bayen in the same tier with real and bayern but everyone else knows it is not true. Their chance is as much as psg, porto or atletico madrid. Nothing more than that.

Same chances as Porto?

LOL

I'd love if they had same chances as Gala. :lol:

Merc_Porto · Post #124 » by **Merc_Porto** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 2:34 pm

Respect for FC Porto

Hellcrooner · Post #125 » by **Hellcrooner** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 3:58 pm

El Turco wrote:
J-Mezzy wrote:
El Turco wrote:that's false equivalency, you don't necessarily need to win the cups. italy would've passed spain last year without winning either cup if roma had beaten city at home.

Really? I thought Spain was way ahead since they constantly send 2 teams to the semis and have been great on the EL

yeah last year spain was at 20.214 and italy at 19.000. guess half spain's teams didnt do anything.

Its strange, in last five years :

CL

Champions: Spain 3 Italy 0
Finalists: Spain 1 Italy 1
1/2: Spain 6 Italy 0
1/4: Spain 3 Italy 3

Uefa Cup

Champions: Spain 3 Italy 0
Finalists: Spain 1 Italy 0
1/2: Spain 3 Italy 3
1/4: Spain 0 Italy 0

That is not even close.

And that includes Rm, Fcb, Atm,Seville, Valencia, Villareal, Ath Bilbao All of then being in that list.

Italy is Mainly Juve and some Milan, Nap, Fiorentina points.

DD12 · Post #126 » by **DD12** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 4:26 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
DD12 wrote:I love how germans are trying so hard to mention bayen in the same tier with real and bayern but everyone else knows it is not true. Their chance is as much as psg, porto or atletico madrid. Nothing more than that.

Same chances as Porto?

LOL

Yup. As much as 2nd tier teams.

Andi Obst · Post #127 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 4:46 pm

DD12 wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
DD12 wrote:I love how germans are trying so hard to mention bayen in the same tier with real and bayern but everyone else knows it is not true. Their chance is as much as psg, porto or atletico madrid. Nothing more than that.

Same chances as Porto?

LOL

Yup. As much as 2nd tier teams.

Porto and Bayern can't be in the same tier. Doesn't make sense at all.

Andi Obst · Post #128 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 4:47 pm

mercgold3 wrote:Respect for FC Porto

I have nothing against Porto, actually I always liked them. Just saying they aren't on Bayern's level.

J-Mezzy · Post #129 » by **J-Mezzy** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 4:56 pm

Hellcrooner wrote:
El Turco wrote:
J-Mezzy wrote:
Really? I thought Spain was way ahead since they constantly send 2 teams to the semis and have been great on the EL

yeah last year spain was at 20.214 and italy at 19.000. guess half spain's teams didnt do anything.

Its strange, in last five years :

CL

Champions: Spain 3 Italy 0
Finalists: Spain 1 Italy 1
1/2: Spain 6 Italy 0
1/4: Spain 3 Italy 3

Uefa Cup

Champions: Spain 3 Italy 0
Finalists: Spain 1 Italy 0
1/2: Spain 3 Italy 3
1/4: Spain 0 Italy 0

That is not even close.

And that includes Rm, Fcb, Atm,Seville, Valencia, Villareal, Ath Bilbao All of then being in that list.

Italy is Mainly Juve and some Milan, Nap, Fiorentina points.

Yeah, it should be Spain in a landslide

Kaiser30 · Post #130 » by **Kaiser30** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 5:24 pm

DD12 wrote:I love how germans are trying so hard to mention bayen in the same tier with real and bayern but everyone else knows it is not true. Their chance is as much as psg, porto or atletico madrid. Nothing more than that.

As a fan of Bayern, I disagree. But just as you like it, I'm gonna show you some facts which back it up. :wink:

UCL is the biggest stage in European club football because the best teams directly compete against each other. So the recent success there should be a reasonable indicator. I'm picking the last 6 years as a sample size (not by coincidence though).

Real:

2010: Round of 16 (Lyon 1:2)
2011: Semi Final (Barca 1:3)
2012: Semi Final (Bayern 3:4 on penalties)
2013: Semi Final (BVB 3:4)
2014: Winner (Atletico 4:1 after extra time)
2015: Semi Final (Juventus 2:3)

Barca:

2010: Semi Final (Inter 2:3)
2011: Winner (United 3:1)
2012: Semi Final (Chelsea 2:3)
2013: Semi Final (Bayern 0:7)
2014: Quarter Final (Atletico 1:2)
2015: Winner (Juventus 3:1)

Bayern:

2010: Final (Inter 0:2)
2011: Round of 16 (Inter 3:3 on away goals)
2012: Final (Chelsea 4:5 on penalties)
2013: Winner (BVB 2:1)
2014: Semi Final (Real 0:4)
2015: Semi Final (Barca 3:5)

Barca has without a doubt the best track record. But as you should acknowledge, Bayern has outperformed Real in UCL recently while reaching the final 3 times in 6 years.
In general, all 3 teams have established themselves as perennial semi finalists. In case of Bayern, this development has started in 2010 while van Gaal was their coach and they finally started to buy players not randomly but with a strategy.
So when talking about probabilities of winning the cup, I think the teams are on the same level and it depends on many little factors which side wins/advances (e. g. luck, injuries, form, refereeing,...) as soon as they face each other. In spring 2014 and 2015, Bayern did have some bad luck and was therefore not able to give Real and Barca a better fight. But it shouldn't neglect the fact that their team is pretty stacked, consistently among the top 4 teams in Europe and therefore on the first level alongside Barca and Real.

Foye · Post #131 » by **Foye** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 5:29 pm

J-Mezzy wrote:
Hellcrooner wrote:
El Turco wrote:yeah last year spain was at 20.214 and italy at 19.000. guess half spain's teams didnt do anything.

Its strange, in last five years :

CL

Champions: Spain 3 Italy 0
Finalists: Spain 1 Italy 1
1/2: Spain 6 Italy 0
1/4: Spain 3 Italy 3

Uefa Cup

Champions: Spain 3 Italy 0
Finalists: Spain 1 Italy 0
1/2: Spain 3 Italy 3
1/4: Spain 0 Italy 0

That is not even close.

And that includes Rm, Fcb, Atm,Seville, Valencia, Villareal, Ath Bilbao All of then being in that list.

Italy is Mainly Juve and some Milan, Nap, Fiorentina points.

Yeah, it should be Spain in a landslide

It is Spain by a landslide.
They are at 80+k and next one is at like below 65k

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Hellcrooner · Post #132 » by **Hellcrooner** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 5:30 pm

Im not German and i have stated Bayern is on par with Real and Barcelona.

Pity post ferguson Mufc is a disaster and that MIlan seem to be in a Hughe slump.

They would be on the same tier otherwise.

El Turco · Post #133 » by **El Turco** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 5:37 pm

Hellcrooner wrote:
El Turco wrote:
J-Mezzy wrote:
Really? I thought Spain was way ahead since they constantly send 2 teams to the semis and have been great on the EL

yeah last year spain was at 20.214 and italy at 19.000. guess half spain's teams didnt do anything.

Its strange, in last five years :

CL

Champions: Spain 3 Italy 0
Finalists: Spain 1 Italy 1
1/2: Spain 6 Italy 0
1/4: Spain 3 Italy 3

Uefa Cup

Champions: Spain 3 Italy 0
Finalists: Spain 1 Italy 0
1/2: Spain 3 Italy 3
1/4: Spain 0 Italy 0

That is not even close.

And that includes Rm, Fcb, Atm,Seville, Valencia, Villareal, Ath Bilbao All of then being in that list.

Italy is Mainly Juve and some Milan, Nap, Fiorentina points.

El Turco wrote:last year

lakers fans :lol:

Hellcrooner · Post #134 » by **Hellcrooner** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 8:51 pm

Brugge takes down Panathinaikos
Great!

Inreality both clubs shouldnt ahve been matched up against each other.....they are good enough tobe on the group stage.
Now probably NONE of them will be.

Hellcrooner · Post #135 » by **Hellcrooner** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 8:53 pm

other surprisses
Partizan taking down steaua and Malmo being able to come back from a 2-0 and trhow salzburg out.

Det the Threat · Post #136 » by **Det the Threat** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 9:02 pm

Salzburg f**cking up against Malmö again :rofl:

The final round of qualification is now set and will be drawn on Friday, August 7th, at 12:00 p.m. CET(6:00 a.m. ET)

Champions Route

Seeded Teams:
Celtic
FC Basel
APOEL Nikosia
BATE Borisov
Dinamo Zagreb

Unseeded Teams:
Maccabi Tel Aviv
Partizan Belgrade
Malmö FF
Skenderbeu Korce
Astana

League Route

Seeded Teams:
Manchester United
FC Valencia
Bayer Leverkusen
Shakhtar Donezk
Sporting CP

Unseeded Teams:
CSKA Moscow
Lazio
Club Brugge
Monaco
Rapid Vienna

Foye · Post #137 » by **Foye** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 9:04 pm

Hellcrooner wrote:other surprisses
Partizan taking down steaua and Malmo being able to come back from a 2-0 and trhow salzburg out.

Serbia have a golden youth currently and Partizan owns quite a number of those.

Also, it's not a surprise Red Bull failed to qualify for the group stage. They always do.

Det the Threat · Post #138 » by **Det the Threat** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 9:16 pm

Foye wrote:Serbia have a golden youth currently and Partizan owns quite a number of those.

Also, it's not a surprise Red Bull failed to qualify for the group stage. They always do.

Yeah, they always crap their pants.

BTW: Here's my highly educated guess about the pairings for those playoffs. :lol:

Champions Route
Astana vs Zagreb
Malmö vs Basel
Korce vs Celtic
Maccabi vs BATE
Partizan vs Nikosia

League Route
Monaco vs Manchester United
Brugge vs Sporting CP
Rapid Vienna vs Leverkusen
CSKA Moscow vs Valencia
Lazio vs Donezk

El Turco · Post #139 » by **El Turco** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 9:20 pm

pulling for korce and astana so that lakers fans lose their sh*t

No_20 · Post #140 » by **No_20** » Wed Aug 5, 2015 10:44 pm

RB Salzburg are a joke of a "club".

A decade after they started they still havent made the CL. And Platini even made it easier for teams from smaller countries to qualify.

Will Mateschitz quit and focus on Leipzig?