Transfer Thread 10.0 - 2017 January Window

[Foye]

Sahin is always injured and Leitner sucks...Kovacic would make a lot of sense even if those two remain on the roster.

[Det the Threat]

Jannik Vestergaard(centre back) from Bremen to Gladbach.
Transfer fee about €12M.

[bbms]

ANY truth to those Kovacic to Dortmund reports?

I know they tried to sign him back in 2014 when he was at Inter.

IMO perfect fit for Tuchel's midfielder. 90%+ passer with above average dribbling/shooting/defensive effort.

I don't know, we have more than enough Players for that spot. Would only make sense if we sell Nuri and Leitner.

Sorry but Kovacic would be a significant upgrade over anyone playing in any Dortmund's CM spots.

[HIF]

Dont know whats crazier , Leicester offering 20M pounds for Deeney or Watford rejecting it......

Just awful all round.

Deeney is an experienced Prem striker, who wouldn't need to adapt, he's fast and scores goals whilst working very hard. He really would suit Leicester. Very underrated.

I understand us offering IF WE HAVE and I understand Watford turning it down. Find a replacement for £15m who wants to play for Watford.

[Baphomet]

Deeney is an experienced Prem striker, who wouldn't need to adapt, he's fast and scores goals whilst working very hard. He really would suit Leicester. Very underrated.

I understand us offering IF WE HAVE and I understand Watford turning it down. Find a replacement for £15m who wants to play for Watford.

It's not so much that I don't rate Deeney, but for £20m I think Leicester, now a Champions League team and league winner, could do far better for that kind of value. He's a decent hard working player, reminds me a bit of Grant Holt at Norwich by his contributions and style, but £20m (Sky's reported fee) would be a hell of an investment for a 27 year old with only one PL season under his belt. Even his 13 league goals last season is less impressive when you consider half of them were penalties.

I know that Leicester have captured lightning in a bottle with 'underrated' players (for lack of a better term) the past few years, but there's better value out there even just in the Prem alone. I think Watford are mad to reject it, personally. Still, I'm sure Ranieri and Leicester's scouting team know better than some fans on the internet, so hopefully it will work out for you lot should the move transpire.

[El Turco]

So 7 open field goals in one season equals 20 million pounds? Leicester sure going to blow that cl money quickly.

[Baphomet]

Well, he did contribute more than just his goals, I think he had a fair amount of assists (particularly to Ighalo) as well. I think he would be a good option if Vardy doesn't leave, I believe those two could form a good partnership leading the line. If Vardy leaves, I don't see him being a like-for-like replacement, Deeney + Okazaki or Deeney + Ulloa would struggle for goals more than Watford did, imo.

[HIF]

Well, he did contribute more than just his goals, I think he had a fair amount of assists (particularly to Ighalo) as well. I think he would be a good option if Vardy doesn't leave, I believe those two could form a good partnership leading the line. If Vardy leaves, I don't see him being a like-for-like replacement, Deeney + Okazaki or Deeney + Ulloa would struggle for goals more than Watford did, imo.

He is an unselfish player, good vision, good speed, great workrate. I like him. He has helped to make Watford the solid team that they are.

IMO we're going to need 2 strikers at least. I think we'll end up with Musa and someone else. I don't see Shinji or Leo getting much time on the field maybe not even on the bench.

I don't think Vardy is our top striker/threat next season.

[treiz]

Dont know whats crazier , Leicester offering 20M pounds for Deeney or Watford rejecting it......

Just awful all round.

Deeney is an experienced Prem striker, who wouldn't need to adapt, he's fast and scores goals whilst working very hard. He really would suit Leicester. Very underrated.

I understand us offering IF WE HAVE and I understand Watford turning it down. Find a replacement for £15m who wants to play for Watford.

But you have Ulloa who basically is the exact same player. You're just going to use him to punt balls up to, hold up the ball to let runners in behind and as an aerial presence.

[HIF]

Just awful all round.

Deeney is an experienced Prem striker, who wouldn't need to adapt, he's fast and scores goals whilst working very hard. He really would suit Leicester. Very underrated.

I understand us offering IF WE HAVE and I understand Watford turning it down. Find a replacement for £15m who wants to play for Watford.

But you have Ulloa who basically is the exact same player. You're just going to use him to punt balls up to, hold up the ball to let runners in behind and as an aerial presence.

Deeney is far faster than Leo and a better passer.

[treiz]

Deeney is an experienced Prem striker, who wouldn't need to adapt, he's fast and scores goals whilst working very hard. He really would suit Leicester. Very underrated.

I understand us offering IF WE HAVE and I understand Watford turning it down. Find a replacement for £15m who wants to play for Watford.

But you have Ulloa who basically is the exact same player. You're just going to use him to punt balls up to, hold up the ball to let runners in behind and as an aerial presence.

Deeney is far faster than Leo and a better passer.

Faster is a loose term describing the two and Leicester were one of the worst passers last year, as long as you have somebody who can run on to the Drinkwater/Mahrez passes it's all good. It's not like Leicester build from the back anyway, and with CL next year there's going to be a heavier emphasis on counter attacks.

[HIF]

But you have Ulloa who basically is the exact same player. You're just going to use him to punt balls up to, hold up the ball to let runners in behind and as an aerial presence.

Deeney is far faster than Leo and a better passer.

Faster is a loose term describing the two and Leicester were one of the worst passers last year, as long as you have somebody who can run on to the Drinkwater/Mahrez passes it's all good. It's not like Leicester build from the back anyway, and with CL next year there's going to be a heavier emphasis on counter attacks.

So are you now suggesting that Leo and Deeney are very different players?

[treiz]

So are you now suggesting that Leo and Deeney are very different players?

Eh? Where did you get that from?

All I said was Leicester play very direct and rarely play from the back which results in a lower completion of passes, the staple of a counter attacking team. Having somebody to punt the ball up to, whether it be Vardy running in to it or Ulloa winning the aerial battle is Leicester's main plan of attack.

So having Deeney be a bit faster and win the aerial battles is not gonna make a substantial difference in the passing game or enhance Leicester's game plan, especially not £20 million worth.

[HIF]

So are you now suggesting that Leo and Deeney are very different players?

Eh? Where did you get that from?

All I said was Leicester play very direct and rarely play from the back which results in a lower completion of passes, the staple of a counter attacking team. Having somebody to punt the ball up to, whether it be Vardy running in to it or Ulloa winning the aerial battle is Leicester's main plan of attack.

So having Deeney be a bit faster and win the aerial battles is not gonna make a substantial difference in the passing game or enhance Leicester's game plan, especially not £20 million worth.

Okay. So Chelsea getting Kanté for £25m is only going to slightly improve your tackiling in midfield so clearly not worth £20m.

In Football every upgrade is a big upgrade.

[treiz]

So are you now suggesting that Leo and Deeney are very different players?

Eh? Where did you get that from?

All I said was Leicester play very direct and rarely play from the back which results in a lower completion of passes, the staple of a counter attacking team. Having somebody to punt the ball up to, whether it be Vardy running in to it or Ulloa winning the aerial battle is Leicester's main plan of attack.

So having Deeney be a bit faster and win the aerial battles is not gonna make a substantial difference in the passing game or enhance Leicester's game plan, especially not £20 million worth.

Okay. So Chelsea getting Kanté for £25m is only going to slightly improve your tackiling in midfield so clearly not worth £20m.

In Football every upgrade is a big upgrade.

Where did you get £25 million from? I don't recall Chelsea actually making a bid as opposed to Leicester for Deeney.

And having a player that lead the league in BOTH tackles and interceptions last year is not a slight improvement by any stretch of the imagination, Kante averaged 4.7 tackles and 4.2 interceptions per game. Here's a list of Chelsea's ball winning abilities in midfield:

Fabregas - 2.8 tackles pg, 0.6 int pg
Matic - 2.5 tackles pg, 2 int pg
Mikel - 2.1 tackles pg, 1.3 int pg
Ramires - 1.9 tackles pg, 1.2 int pg

Kante almost doubles Chelsea's best production, how's that a slight improvement?

Whereas for Deeney and Ulloa, Deeney averaged 6.2 aerials won to Ulloa's 1.8, but Ulloa also completed 70% of his passes compared to Deeney's 60%, despite you saying he's a better passer. Bare in mind and I'm sure you know this Ulloa came off the bench for most of the season late in games so that might have affected the numbers, now tell me is it worth spending an extra £20 million for a player who wins 5 more aerial duels a game than a similar player you already have?

No matter how you put it, that's not a big upgrade. Especially £20 millions worth.

[HIF]

Eh? Where did you get that from?

All I said was Leicester play very direct and rarely play from the back which results in a lower completion of passes, the staple of a counter attacking team. Having somebody to punt the ball up to, whether it be Vardy running in to it or Ulloa winning the aerial battle is Leicester's main plan of attack.

So having Deeney be a bit faster and win the aerial battles is not gonna make a substantial difference in the passing game or enhance Leicester's game plan, especially not £20 million worth.

Okay. So Chelsea getting Kanté for £25m is only going to slightly improve your tackiling in midfield so clearly not worth £20m.

In Football every upgrade is a big upgrade.

Where did you get £25 million from? I don't recall Chelsea actually making a bid as opposed to Leicester for Deeney.

And having a player that lead the league in BOTH tackles and interceptions last year is not a slight improvement by any stretch of the imagination, Kante averaged 4.7 tackles and 4.2 interceptions per game. Here's a list of Chelsea's ball winning abilities in midfield:

Fabregas - 2.8 tackles pg, 0.6 int pg
Matic - 2.5 tackles pg, 2 int pg
Mikel - 2.1 tackles pg, 1.3 int pg
Ramires - 1.9 tackles pg, 1.2 int pg

Kante almost doubles Chelsea's best production, how's that a slight improvement?

Whereas for Deeney and Ulloa, Deeney averaged 6.2 aerials won to Ulloa's 1.8, but Ulloa also completed 70% of his passes compared to Deeney's 60%, despite you saying he's a better passer. Bare in mind and I'm sure you know this Ulloa came off the bench for most of the season late in games so that might have affected the numbers, now tell me is it worth spending an extra £20 million for a player who wins 5 more aerial duels a game than a similar player you already have?

No matter how you put it, that's not a big upgrade. Especially £20 millions worth.

The difference between teams is miniscule. a 1% improvement overall is a massive improvement. As opposed to your view (and bearing in mind I've watched every minute Ulloa has played as a Leicester City player) Ulloa and deeney are not similar players and Deeney would upgrade our team.

[treiz]

In what way is Ulloa and Deeney not similar? You say Deeney is faster and a better passer, but I've given you the statistics regarding their passing abilities and it's not like we're comparing Crouch to CR7 in terms of pace.

I'm not denying he could upgrade the team, but paying £20 million for a 27-year old maxed out striker with similar skillsets to what you already have is a steep price to pay for a 1% improvement.

For that price, and with CL football you can scour Europe and gamble on some of the better known entities with potential to improve. I'm sure Liverpool for example would be willing to part with Benteke for that price.

[ATL Boy]

Miralem Pjanic officially signed a 5-year contract with Juventus today. Full fee was €38 million, true to his Roma buyout clause. A percentage of that money going to Pjanic.

Great move for him: stays in a league he's comfortable with, and upgrades to the team that's won the serie a five years in a row.


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[WorldBeFree]

I think everybody knows this already but feghouli at West ham. Also wijnaldum going to roma for 15 M i think

[DNP - Old]

Is Skrtel really leaving?