2014 FIFA World Cup: Group D (URA/CRC/ENG/ITA)

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Who advances from Group D?

Poll ended at Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:19 am

Uruguay
39
30%
Costa Rica
7
5%
England
30
23%
Italy
53
41%
 
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Re: 2014 FIFA World Cup: Group D (URA/CRC/ENG/ITA) 

Post#1421 » by whocurrz » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:50 pm

Saying Suarez's bite is the same type of offense as a play on the ball that could hurt someone is like saying Zach Randolph punching Stephen Adams in the face deserves the same punishment as a guy trying to block a shot that causes another player to fall to the ground hard. No matter what mental gymnastics you try to do to argue this you are wrong.
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Post#1422 » by Man of Steel » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:51 pm

bbms wrote:Marchisio did worse for Italy. No one wants his head. There are carreer-threatening plays every match, and far worse than what Suárez did today. You're gonna ban Suárez, than ban everyone else.

You're all just asking for a courthouse to neutralize Suárez for your teams.

Martin87 is right.


LOL idk about the rest but my team is just about out. Cristiano Ronaldo is also Portugal's great hope, but he doesn't run around biting people when he's down 2-1 and facing elimination. Suarez is a crazy **** and he deserves to be banned for repeatedly doing something so disgusting- there's not much more to say about it.
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Post#1423 » by ItalianBull » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:51 pm

bbms wrote:
treiz wrote:
bbms wrote:Also, Marchisio's attack on Arévalo is more carreer-threatening than Suarez's biting.


:lol:

This guy is trolling hard


Did you ever play football in your life, seriously...


Thats the magic of world cup, makes people that know **** about football talk about it.
The kick from Marchisio could have seriously injured Arevalo Rios.
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Post#1424 » by El Turco » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:51 pm

whocurrz wrote:Saying Suarez's bite is the same type of offense as a play on the ball that could hurt someone is like saying Zach Randolph punching Stephen Adams in the face deserves the same punishment as a guy trying to block a shot that causes another player to fall to the ground hard. No matter what mental gymnastics you try to do to argue this you are wrong.


he is obviously trolling, don't think anybody is actually that dense.
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Post#1425 » by treiz » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:53 pm

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Of course no. Racial abuse is a very political problem by its own nature. Punishment, neutralization, elimination is totally fine to deal with political questions, I'd say it's the only way. But I say that banning Suárez is the worst and uneffective way to deal with Suárez and overall physical violence in football. It just affect negatively Uruguayans, and do not affect Suárez negatively, except that people will throw out 225 instead of 250 thousands of pounds per week on his next contract.


But it's post match, and you said you are against it

Banning him might not deal with Suarez personally, but it will deter other players from doing what he did. Eric Cantona was banned for a couple of years for fly kicking a fan, it's never happened in the EPL since. Suarez is already lost in terms of his sanity, he's already gone mental. But hopefully future footballers won't see this and think it's ok to do this if you don't punish him accordingly. They have to ban him.

Yeah this affects Uruguayans badly, but Suarez should know that, and he should realise that his stupid actions will cost his team. If he does get banned, Uruguay are going out the next game and he should've known better than to put himself in his current position

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Post#1426 » by 5DOM » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:53 pm

bbms wrote:Also, Marchisio's attack on Arévalo is more carreer-threatening than Suarez's biting.


Racist abuse is less career-threatening than 99% of offences, let's tolerate that too. Man, Suarez can really benefit from these wonderful suggestions.
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Post#1427 » by ItalianBull » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:53 pm

And before i leave, so far nobody answered this question:

Would you not celebrate a goal or a tournament if it came from a dirty play? For example Henry goal against Ireland to qualify to world cup.
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Post#1428 » by El Turco » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:56 pm

Martin87 wrote:And before i leave, so far nobody answered this question:

Would you not celebrate a goal or a tournament if it came from a dirty play? For example Henry goal against Ireland to qualify to world cup.


what is celebrating have to do with anything? i don't think anybody poppin champagne because suarez bit somebody.
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Post#1429 » by treiz » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:56 pm

Martin87 wrote:
bbms wrote:
treiz wrote:
:lol:

This guy is trolling hard


Did you ever play football in your life, seriously...


Thats the magic of world cup, makes people that know **** about football talk about it.
The kick from Marchisio could have seriously injured Arevalo Rios.


LOL! Guys are actually defending Suarez. Right, I'm the one that knows nothing.

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Post#1430 » by 5DOM » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:58 pm

Martin87 wrote:And before i leave, so far nobody answered this question:

Would you not celebrate a goal or a tournament if it came from a dirty play? For example Henry goal against Ireland to qualify to world cup.


I would totally celebrate, and I don't blame you for celebrating Uruguay's win, but I'd like to think that I will at least accept it if a player who bit another is punished.
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Post#1431 » by ItalianBull » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:58 pm

El Belgian wrote:
Martin87 wrote:And before i leave, so far nobody answered this question:

Would you not celebrate a goal or a tournament if it came from a dirty play? For example Henry goal against Ireland to qualify to world cup.


what is celebrating have to do with anything? i don't think anybody poppin champagne because suarez bit somebody.


No, but here in Uruguay we are celebrating the victory and we dont give a damn of what Suarez did.

And since all of you are so affected by Suarez action, thats why im asking if one of your players scored a goal in a dirty way if you would also be so affected and ask for the goal to be removed or if you will cheer the goal.
So dont avoid the question and answer it, to see if you are so morally correct to judge Suarez's actions and beg for his ban.
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Post#1432 » by Boognish » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:58 pm

Martin87 wrote:Of course i am.
Im tired of the morally hipocrites that when their own players do something bad its fine, but when someone from other team does it its a huge shame.

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Post#1433 » by bbms » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:59 pm

whocurrz wrote:Saying Suarez's bite is the same type of offense as a play on the ball that could hurt someone is like saying Zach Randolph punching Stephen Adams in the face deserves the same punishment as a guy trying to block a shot that causes another player to fall to the ground hard. No matter what mental gymnastics you try to do to argue this you are wrong.


The only difference is that if Arevalo doesn't react and let his foot set, he breaks his leg in two. Suarez is uglier and less common, but the harm is at worst make Chiellini bleed and suffer a lot of pain. The risk to Chiellini's professional life is far lesser than what Marchisio imposed on Arevalo.

If you're trying to defend the player's physical integrities, you should be wanting Marchisio's head way more than Suárez. I don't want either heads, but you all chose Suárez for Christ, among all violent players in the world. Among all the violent players on the pitch, and all the violent acts that went on in the earlier game, you picked Suárez, I wonder why.

I can only think of pure reactionary thinking based on Suárez' superior evidence, uncommonality of the act, because morallism, because of blind hatred.
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Re: 2014 FIFA World Cup: Group D (URA/CRC/ENG/ITA) 

Post#1434 » by Man of Steel » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:59 pm

Martin87 wrote:No, but here in Uruguay we are celebrating the victory and we dont give a damn of what Suarez did.

And since all of you are so affected by Suarez action, thats why im asking if one of your players scored a goal in a dirty way if you would also be so affected and ask for the goal to be removed or if you will cheer the goal.
So dont avoid the question and answer it, to see if you are so morally correct to judge Suarez's actions and beg for his ban.


It's like you don't understand that scoring a cheap goal and biting another human being are not the same thing.
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Post#1435 » by treiz » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:00 pm

Martin87 wrote:And before i leave, so far nobody answered this question:

Would you not celebrate a goal or a tournament if it came from a dirty play? For example Henry goal against Ireland to qualify to world cup.


Of course I'd celebrate it, he should still be punished accordingly afterwards. Same goes for Henry's case, but this was a terrible example since that Suarez bite didn't lead to a goal.

EDIT: Don't forget this is his THIRD TIME in which I'm sure if this happened in the real world, biting somebody would count as assault.
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Post#1436 » by ItalianBull » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:00 pm

5DOM wrote:
Martin87 wrote:And before i leave, so far nobody answered this question:

Would you not celebrate a goal or a tournament if it came from a dirty play? For example Henry goal against Ireland to qualify to world cup.


I would totally celebrate, and I don't blame you for celebrating Uruguay's win, but I'd like to think that I will at least accept it if a player who bit another is punished.


Ok, so at least i leave happily knowing that not every dirty play is as bad as when Suarez does it. Even some are worth cheering for.
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Post#1437 » by Valid » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:00 pm

Next Coming wrote:Danny Mills said he should be arrested lol lol

I mean, if you walk up to someone on the street and bite them, you would be arrested. Why should this be any different? Especially considering this is his third time doing this.
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Re: 2014 FIFA World Cup: Group D (URA/CRC/ENG/ITA) 

Post#1438 » by ItalianBull » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:01 pm

Man of Steel wrote:
Martin87 wrote:No, but here in Uruguay we are celebrating the victory and we dont give a damn of what Suarez did.

And since all of you are so affected by Suarez action, thats why im asking if one of your players scored a goal in a dirty way if you would also be so affected and ask for the goal to be removed or if you will cheer the goal.
So dont avoid the question and answer it, to see if you are so morally correct to judge Suarez's actions and beg for his ban.


It's like you don't understand that scoring a cheap goal and biting another human being are not the same thing.


Both are against the rules.
You are asking Suarez to be banned because he broke a rule, but yet you would cheer a goal that broke another rule and not demand that goal to be taken away.

Sounds a little hypocrite to me, but to each their own.
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Post#1439 » by El Turco » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:01 pm

Martin87 wrote:
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Martin87 wrote:And before i leave, so far nobody answered this question:

Would you not celebrate a goal or a tournament if it came from a dirty play? For example Henry goal against Ireland to qualify to world cup.


what is celebrating have to do with anything? i don't think anybody poppin champagne because suarez bit somebody.


No, but here in Uruguay we are celebrating the victory and we dont give a damn of what Suarez did.

And since all of you are so affected by Suarez action, thats why im asking if one of your players scored a goal in a dirty way if you would also be so affected and ask for the goal to be removed or if you will cheer the goal.
So dont avoid the question and answer it, to see if you are so morally correct to judge Suarez's actions and beg for his ban.


sure go ahead celebrate the win. but accept the fact that your player did something idiotic and needs to pay for the consequences. that's what i would do.

just because my players brought me the victory doesn't mean they are allowed to get away with murder either.
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Re: 2014 FIFA World Cup: Group D (URA/CRC/ENG/ITA) 

Post#1440 » by bbms » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:02 pm

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Martin87 wrote:And before i leave, so far nobody answered this question:

Would you not celebrate a goal or a tournament if it came from a dirty play? For example Henry goal against Ireland to qualify to world cup.


I would totally celebrate, and I don't blame you for celebrating Uruguay's win, but I'd like to think that I will at least accept it if a player who bit another is punished.


Like I said:
Racial abuse -> political act. Tottaly different affairs.

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