2014 FIFA World Cup: Group D (URA/CRC/ENG/ITA)

[MaliBrah]

You know who's the victim, right? Not Chiellini, because in the worst case he would receive medical care in a heartbeat and could even be able to complete the match. Not Suárez, because he is aggressiveness and will have a week off and would make tons of odes to Bacco in that period.

The victim is the people of Uruguay and that's what I'm saying the whole topic. Make it a punishment that doesn't make Uruguayan people suffer. Fine Suárez heavily. Make him pay hard to play next game. Make him sign a term that forces him to do 1 month of charity work in order to play next match. That'd be something constructive, wouldn't it?

That's how you punish Suárez, and satisfy you all guys' bloodlust. That's how you do not punish the WC and the people of Uruguay. The people who are BUYING the entertainment of WC.

lol no suarez has to be punished and miss games , lots of games. This is the 3rd time he's bit someone on the football field. The people of uruguay knew what they were doing when they picked a mentally unstable human being/rat. I feel bad for them though. But no suarez can't pull off a stunt like that and play the next game.

[bbms]

Because at the end of the day this bite did nothing to affect the game, if he just played normally like a sane person would then we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's not about the other people apart from you, martin and the whole population of Uruguay having a "bloodlust" against him. This is him living with the consequences of his actions, also as I said earlier maybe Suarez is already down on the deep end of sanity but punishing him accordingly will deter other players from doing so, otherwise you are making it ok to bite people in a regular game.

It doesn't make it ok, because it's not ethical. You don't need a rulebook or a sanction to tell you it's not ok to bite people. A sanction never stopped no one to bite someone. There are worse things happenning every game than a bite that are not rule enforced, and the Marchisio play was one example of that, and even if they are enforced, it'll not stop people to do that. Marchisio knew that kind of play is awarded with a red card, and he made that attack with no intention of getting the ball at all. The red card didn't stop him, and that was not his first red card in his carreer, won't be the last. If there's some debt on Suárez for his actions, make it the most constructive as possible, and the less destructive as possible to third parties like me, or all the people who is concerned about the WC technical skill level. Like I said, the ban is the least destructible punishment to Suárez possible, and the most to the fans.

Rest your case, I'll rest mine. This isn't going anywhere.

[Man of Steel]

You're not getting me. Racial abuse has nothing to do with sport. It has nothing to do with intolerance. MLK never claimed for tolerance. Racism is a social-political problem, that should be attacked with social-political measures. Suárez bit is a sportive problem, and your preferred measures doesn't solve the sportive problem, just aggravates it, making the sport worse. Sent off is something, the suspension of the next game is something. Ban is another thing. The only thing the ban will do is give Suárez the rest of the WC off, to bang chicks in Rio and discuss his mega ultra deal with Barça.

I'm wondering how many players have ever bitten someone during a football match, let alone have a history of doing it. If it's that much of a sportive problem I'm sure they must have some rules against it by now.

[treiz]

You're not getting me. Racial abuse has nothing to do with sport. It has nothing to do with intolerance. MLK never claimed for tolerance. Racism is a social-political problem, that should be attacked with social-political measures. Suárez bit is a sportive problem, and your preferred measures doesn't solve the sportive problem, just aggravates it, making the sport worse. Sent off is something, the suspension of the next game is something. Ban is another thing. The only thing the ban will do is give Suárez the rest of the WC off, to bang chicks in Rio and discuss his mega ultra deal with Barça.

But by racially abusing someone during a game does involve sport, and it's unsportsmanlike conduct, it shouldn't happen. Are you telling me that when Jackie Robinson first played in the MLB that racial abuse has nothing to do with sport? Are you saying that none of the racist white players/fans/owners etc at the time not wanting a black player in the league has nothing to do with sport? Racism is unfortunately a part of sport even today, such as when somebody threw a banana at Dani Alves.

What about those Zenit fans who wrote a letter to the owner about not wanting any more black players playing for their team? These are guys who don't want another race playing for their team, that's racial abuse coinciding with sport

But what Suarez did is still a problem and should be dealt with accordingly, he made a mistake and should pay accordingly for it. So what if that is what Suarez does while banned? At the end of the day the team suffers and that's what is going to hurt the most, he should've known that with 1000s of cameras watching the biggest event in the world that doing something so stupid will cost him and his team, because with him they can beat anybody.

[truth18]

This thread has deteriorated rapidly

[MaliBrah]

numerous publications saying he's facing a 2 year world wide ban as max punishment. No way that happens lol

[treiz]

Because at the end of the day this bite did nothing to affect the game, if he just played normally like a sane person would then we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's not about the other people apart from you, martin and the whole population of Uruguay having a "bloodlust" against him. This is him living with the consequences of his actions, also as I said earlier maybe Suarez is already down on the deep end of sanity but punishing him accordingly will deter other players from doing so, otherwise you are making it ok to bite people in a regular game.

It doesn't make it ok, because it's not ethical. You don't need a rulebook or a sanction to tell you it's not ok to bite people. A sanction never stopped no one to bite someone. There are worse things happenning every game than a bite that are not rule enforced, and the Marchisio play was one example of that, and even if they are enforced, it'll not stop people to do that. Marchisio knew that kind of play is awarded with a red card, and he made that attack with no intention of getting the ball at all. The red card didn't stop him, and that was not his first red card in his carreer, won't be the last. If there's some debt on Suárez for his actions, make it the most constructive as possible, and the less destructive as possible to third parties like me, or all the people who is concerned about the WC technical skill level. Like I said, the ban is the least destructible punishment to Suárez possible, and the most to the fans.

Rest your case, I'll rest mine. This isn't going anywhere.

But see the Marchisio play was an honest tackle, calling it a red is still up for debate up to now. Biting somebody is not innocent whatsoever.

Look Suarez knew what he was doing and he should be punished accordingly, it doesn't matter about us the fans, he put his team in danger by doing something stupid and should be ridiculed for it.

I'll rest my case by quoting Turco

sure go ahead celebrate the win. but accept the fact that your player did something idiotic and needs to pay for the consequences. that's what i would do.

just because my players brought me the victory doesn't mean they are allowed to get away with murder either.

Honestly, simple as that. You do something idiotic, you pay the consequences.

It's a basic concept of life.

[Ted Lasso]

You know who's the victim, right? Not Chiellini, because in the worst case he would receive medical care in a heartbeat and could even be able to complete the match. Not Suárez, because he is aggressiveness and will have a week off and would make tons of odes to Bacco in that period.

The victim is the people of Uruguay and that's what I'm saying the whole topic.

That's right. They're victims of Luis Suarez's behaviour. Perhaps they should bring him to account.

[bbms]

You're not getting me. Racial abuse has nothing to do with sport. It has nothing to do with intolerance. MLK never claimed for tolerance. Racism is a social-political problem, that should be attacked with social-political measures. Suárez bit is a sportive problem, and your preferred measures doesn't solve the sportive problem, just aggravates it, making the sport worse. Sent off is something, the suspension of the next game is something. Ban is another thing. The only thing the ban will do is give Suárez the rest of the WC off, to bang chicks in Rio and discuss his mega ultra deal with Barça.

But by racially abusing someone during a game does involve sport, and it's unsportsmanlike conduct, it shouldn't happen. Are you telling me that when Jackie Robinson first played in the MLB that racial abuse has nothing to do with sport? Are you saying that none of the racist white players/fans/owners etc at the time not wanting a black player in the league has nothing to do with sport? Racism is unfortunately a part of sport even today, such as when somebody threw a banana at Dani Alves.

What about those Zenit fans who wrote a letter to the owner about not wanting any more black players playing for their team? These are guys who don't want another race playing for their team, that's racial abuse coinciding with sport

But what Suarez did is still a problem and should be dealt with accordingly, he made a mistake and should pay accordingly for it. So what if that is what Suarez does while banned? At the end of the day the team suffers and that's what is going to hurt the most, he should've known that with 1000s of cameras watching the biggest event in the world that doing something so stupid will cost him and his team, because with him they can beat anybody.

Yes, no one's ever bitten anyone in a football pitch, or did some aggression like that or worse.

Social-political means bigger than sports, or merely sportive problems...

[treiz]

But when you DELIBERATELY start nailing players just because of their colour (Jackie Robinson lead the league in HBP his rookie year), it becomes a sporting matter too along with socio-political (it's not exclusive), the fact that it became a sporting matter allowed other teams to get black players of their own and effectively break the colour barrier.

Sport tends to help move society along when it comes to race/sexuality/gender matter etc. It's been proven in the past and it will continue to do so in the future.

[bbms]

But when you DELIBERATELY start nailing players just because of their colour (Jackie Robinson lead the league in HBP his rookie year), it becomes a sporting matter too along with socio-political (it's not exclusive), the fact that it became a sporting matter allowed other teams to get black players of their own and effectively break the colour barrier.

Sport tends to help move society along when it comes to race/sexuality/gender matter etc. It's been proven in the past and it will continue to do so in the future.

You're not getting the argument. Even if it happens on sports environment, it's still a social-political problem, and should be treated as that, with social-political measures. I fail to see the connection of what you're bringing here with the Suárez punishment. You're just escaping, to a safe shore of racism, which a game ban is not nearly enough to contain the racial abuse problem. It's symptom of a much bigger problem, that should be handled with a much bigger politic. That's nothing like really a game-day aggression. I'm okay with punishing racism, with proper criminal lawsuits.

Also, sports doesn't help society to move on. Sports are arenas that displays the problems of society, if anything they replicate our society's problems.

[treiz]

Spoiler:

You're not getting the argument. Even if it happens on sports environment, it's still a social-political problem, and should be treated as that, with social-political measures. I fail to see the connection of what you're bringing here with the Suárez punishment. You're just escaping, to a safe shore of racism, which a game ban is not nearly enough to contain the racial abuse problem. It's symptom of a much bigger problem, that should be handled with a much bigger politic. That's nothing like really a game-day aggression. I'm okay with punishing racism, with proper criminal lawsuits.

Also, sports doesn't help society to move on. Sports are arenas that displays the problems of society, if anything they replicate our society's problems.

I think this discussion has clearly gone off the tracks, this has nothing to do with racism and we really should get back on track. I wasn't trying to escape to racism to try and twist this and if it seemed like I did I apologise.

Anyway, like I said in an earlier post, Suarez committed a really stupid, heinous act, and therefore he should suffer the consequences and be punished accordingly. Agree or disagree?

Because at the end of the day, me or you or all the fans doesn't matter, this is all about Suarez and his actions.

[Doormatt]

**** luis suarez and **** anyone defending him

[Doormatt]

but to speak about the game, i felt prandelli made a huge mistake with two strikers. i also dont see how verratti was on the pitch since he was exhausted from the get go, at the very least he shouldve come off at half, he was dead.

it was a HUGE mistake not taking Rossi, it defniitely came back to bite us in the ass. dunno why Insigne didnt see any time either. i also feel like our fitness was completely lacking, after the England game most of our players have looked exhausted for the most part.

also was disappointed by Immobile today, he didnt have many chances but his offside was stupid and he had 1 golden opportunity where he didnt even test the keeper.

De Sciglio is such a talent, his tackle on Suarez i believe probably saved a goal. Bonucci continues to be a weak link in the back however.

this was a massively disappointing performance but i havent lost faith in the team yet. we have a ton of youth talent going forward: Destro, Shaarway, Florenzi, Romagnoli, Baselli, and probably my pick for the next great italian player Berardi. and as usual we are still producing potentially world class goalies in Scuffet, Bardi and Perin. at least this is what im telling myself to stop from drinking the entire bottle.

Marchisio likely lost us the game, i dont think we lose with 11 men. no De Rossi was equally crushing.

[Next Coming]

Danny Mills said he should be arrested lol lol

I mean, if you walk up to someone on the street and bite them, you would be arrested. Why should this be any different? Especially considering this is his third time doing this.

He said for life lol lol

[Next Coming]

numerous publications saying he's facing a 2 year world wide ban as max punishment. No way that happens lol

Manc journos wrote that in the Mirror lol. Roy Hodgson needs to send him a fruit basket.

[Next Coming]

Suarez commented on the incident:

“These things happen in the box,” Suarez was quoted as telling Uruguayan media.

“We were in contact, chest against shoulder, and I got a knock to the eye.”

But wasn't he holding his teeth?

This one gif I seen he took a massive chomp lol. Undeniable that he bit him. He seriously has major issues man. Like severe mental issues.

[fabio]

[Doormatt]

yeah i mean theres a high res photo of Chiellinis shoulder with bite marks, kinda hard to interpret that as anything other than, ya know, a bite.

[treiz]

This one gif I seen he took a massive chomp lol. Undeniable that he bit him. He seriously has major issues man. Like severe mental issues.

Safe to say that this guy is absolutely insane, seems to like digging his teeth in anything that moves. Maybe he should hire that psychiatrist that Roy hired, that clearly worked