2015-16 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread

[cgf]

You can see his point though when you look at how much experience and how big of names that the likes of Klopp, Favre, Tuchel, Streich, Schubert, Stöger, Weinzerl, Breitenreiter, Nagelsman, Skrypnyk, Dardai; or even Gisdol himself, Luhukay, Keller, Hyypia&Lewandowski, Schmidt (Roger or Martin), Korkut, Zorniger, Stanislawski; had when given the reigns of first league clubs over the past few years...

So many bad managers in that list.

Bundesliga is by far the league of the big 4 that have the worst set of managers.

There are only 4 or 5 good managers. Guardiola, Tuchel, Schmidt, Labbadia and Rangnick if we count Zweite as well.

Compare that to La Liga, Serie A and Premier League.

I included the second set because you were railing about teams always hiring the same has-beens and re-treads and the guys from Gisdol on where anything but that, even though they are/were mediocre or worse. And that top 4-5 is just so wrong...nevermind the silly comment about the EPL or Serie A's managers.

[Det the Threat]

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So many bad managers in that list.

Bundesliga is by far the league of the big 4 that have the worst set of managers.

There are only 4 or 5 good managers. Guardiola, Tuchel, Schmidt, Labbadia and Rangnick if we count Zweite as well.

Compare that to La Liga, Serie A and Premier League.

OK, so you complain about the same guys being hired over and over again and how bad they are?
And yet you include Labbaddia as one of the top four or five?
The same guy that has been fired quite a bit, is pretty much in the same line of guys always being mentioned and flaming out in the second half of seasons?



And I can guarantee you, that those other leagues have the same problems as well, cause as soon as there's someone sacked the same guys are always mentioned and most of the time even hired...

[No_20]

Look at all the great managers in the PL. Mourinho, Klopp, Wenger, LVG, Pochettino, Martinez, Bilic, Koeman. Then compare a scrub like Dieter Hecking, a guy who won the manager of the year award last year, to these guys.

Especially a country like Netherlands that has a pool of great YOUNG managers and most of them can speak German as well(or learn it quickly because it's a similar language.)

[Foye]

Look at all the great managers in the PL. Mourinho, Klopp, Wenger, LVG, Pochettino, Martinez, Bilic, Koeman. Then compare a scrub like Dieter Hecking, a guy who won the manager of the year award last year, to these guys.

Especially a country like Netherlands that has a pool of great YOUNG managers and most of them can speak German as well(or learn it quickly because it's a similar language.)

Last season you were praising Hecking for outcoaching Guardiola but now he is crap all of a sudden?

And yes, Hecking is a crap manager. I have been saying this whole last season. He simply does not seem to understand that it is necessary to keep the distance between attack and defense as small as possible. If you look at Wolfsburg games...often the difference between Dost and Naldo is 50 if not 60 meters. That's not modern football, that's tactical suicide against any top side.

And yeah, it's true Bundesliga tends to have a lot of crap managers. But so do other leagues as well.

[Det the Threat]

Look at all the great managers in the PL. Mourinho, Klopp, Wenger, LVG, Pochettino, Martinez, Bilic, Koeman. Then compare a scrub like Dieter Hecking, a guy who won the manager of the year award last year, to these guys.

Especially a country like Netherlands that has a pool of great YOUNG managers and most of them can speak German as well(or learn it quickly because it's a similar language.)

Not sure why you hate Hecking after drooling over him just about six months ago, but yeah, he's never been that great.
Pochettino hasn't done much in the EPL, LVG was already in Germany and both Bilic and Koeman are either in their first season or managing a mid table team.

The funny thing about your stuff is crying about the same guys being in the conversation every time in Germany and not admitting that the same thing happens everywhere.
In England, guys like McClaren, Allardyce etc. are always mentioned as soon as someone gets sacked, which is the same thing that happens in Germany with german guys of their caliber.

Wenger has been made fun of for quite some time and those others are there because they can earn way more then anywhere else and spend a huge amount of money while building their teams.

But hey, we at least have Bruno managing amongst noobs over here in Germany...

[Foye]

I have no idea what Breitenreiter is thinking starting both di Santo and Huntelaar. Both are way too similar and just not very good at the game of football at all.

Schubert is doing a good job so far for you guys Det. I hope he can keep it up once the motivation effect is over, though. Something Schmidt clearly isn't able to do for us.

[Det the Threat]

I have no idea what Breitenreiter is thinking starting both di Santo and Huntelaar. Both are way too similar and just not very good at the game of football at all.

Schubert is doing a good job so far for you guys Det. I hope he can keep it up once the motivation effect is over, though. Something Schmidt clearly isn't able to do for us.

Yeah, that's what I'm corious about as well.
Right now things are going our way and we're just on a roll but the real test will be how he does if we lose a couple of games.

BTW: Beating Schalke for a second time within three days was fun, especially with Benni Höwedes having his period or something and either complaining about Geis red card on Sunday or trying to bump Hazard today after he scored that penalty.

[Det the Threat]

Tony Jantschke suffered a shoulder injury during the game at Schalke and will be out for quite some time.
Julian Korb also had to come off during the game.

I guess we'll be playing...eerr....umm..Johnson or Christensen???..at rb...

[No_20]

Look at all the great managers in the PL. Mourinho, Klopp, Wenger, LVG, Pochettino, Martinez, Bilic, Koeman. Then compare a scrub like Dieter Hecking, a guy who won the manager of the year award last year, to these guys.

Especially a country like Netherlands that has a pool of great YOUNG managers and most of them can speak German as well(or learn it quickly because it's a similar language.)

Not sure why you hate Hecking after drooling over him just about six months ago, but yeah, he's never been that great.
Pochettino hasn't done much in the EPL, LVG was already in Germany and both Bilic and Koeman are either in their first season or managing a mid table team.

The funny thing about your stuff is crying about the same guys being in the conversation every time in Germany and not admitting that the same thing happens everywhere.
In England, guys like McClaren, Allardyce etc. are always mentioned as soon as someone gets sacked, which is the same thing that happens in Germany with german guys of their caliber.

Wenger has been made fun of for quite some time and those others are there because they can earn way more then anywhere else and spend a huge amount of money while building their teams.

But hey, we at least have Bruno managing amongst noobs over here in Germany...

Is it the Leverkusen connection that is the reason behind hatred for Labbadia? Or is it because he usually beats you guys?

[Det the Threat]

Is it the Leverkusen connection that is the reason behind hatred for Labbadia? Or is it because he usually beats you guys?

It's just him not being all that good.
And him usually beating us is a nice try.
You guys got really lucky against us and that's it.

[postup]

Of course it had to be Ujah. Third loss in a row. Ugh...

[ATL Boy]

Glad the forum's working again. Go Dortmund!


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[Foye]

Give me one month to get in shape and I could offer the same quality of defending as Leon Balogun. The dude is straight trash. And I have no idea how our incompetent coach keeps playing him again and again.

I'd rather play our backup keeper at RB at this point than him.

[Det the Threat]

Give me one month to get in shape and I could offer the same quality of defending as Leon Balogun. The dude is straight trash. And I have no idea how our incompetent coach keeps playing him again and again.

I'd rather play our backup keeper at RB at this point than him.

Well, Muto saved your a$$es with those three goals.

Anyways, nice win at Berlin for us as we didn't give them a real shot and handled their 8-0-2 system pretty well thanks to those two goals midway through the first half.

Also, Andre Schubert now ties Willy Entenmann as the manager for the most wins in a row to start at a new club.
Now it's six games, six wins, 18 points and 21-6 goals for us under Schubert and we'll be 5th place in the table after the 11th game of the season.

[Foye]

Give me one month to get in shape and I could offer the same quality of defending as Leon Balogun. The dude is straight trash. And I have no idea how our incompetent coach keeps playing him again and again.

I'd rather play our backup keeper at RB at this point than him.

Well, Muto saved your a$$es with those three goals.

Anyways, nice win at Berlin for us as we didn't give them a real shot and handled their 8-0-2 system pretty well thanks to those two goals midway through the first half.

Also, Andre Schubert now ties Willy Entenmann as the manager for the most wins in a row to start at a new club.
Now it's six games, six wins, 18 points and 21-6 goals for us under Schubert and we'll be 5th place in the table after the 11th game of the season.

I'm almost furious he completed the hattrick last minute lol. It might keep that incompetent Schmidt on the line for another few weeks.
Literally every single fuc*ing game he waits with his subs until we are down a goal at least.
I had to stand up and applaud that he managed to find out Balogun is garbage before minute 80 today, though. Only took him 59 minutes to realize that.

Muto is balling, though. Quality player and probably gone next offseason if he continues scoring at this rate.

[DD12]

lmao from 0-2 to 3-2 then 3-3.

I love Buli.

[Andi Obst]

Expected Hertha to lose but that was pretty bad, especially at home. We're far away from being a good team.

[Foye]

lmao from 0-2 to 3-2 then 3-3.

I love Buli.

Seriously, worst game I have seen in a while.

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[cgf]

A draw would've been best for Gladbach, but **** Leverkusen. Plus it keeps VFL from realizing that starting Dost/Bendtner is holding them back and keeping them from pushing BMG down to fighting Schalke and Leverkusen for 4th and the final CL spot.

[DD12]

As I predicted, Javier will score probably 20-25 goals in this league.