2015-16 Spanish La Liga Discussion Thread

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Post#161 » by TomJoad » Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:24 pm

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Wrong again.

Koke is as much as a cm as Iniesta is. Koke cannot play in the pivot only in a 4-3-3 as the left Midfielder or in 4-4-2 as the left midfielder....Which is exactly where Simeone has played koke.....

Saul is a natural cm/dm and will be the future cm of Atletico.

There is a reason why both tiago and gabi plays so many games in the middle of the park for diego and not koke... Even last season, it was saul, not koke that played in the middle.... KOKE has rarely played in the middle for simeone......

Oliver is not a Simeone player, just like how juan mata was not a jose mourinho player. Oliver should reconsider his options because he does have fantastic potential, but under Diego might not be the best progression...(If diego valued oliver, he would never had been loaned out last season). This season, I expect a few sub appearances for Oliver, but not a starting 11 role...

Atletico has all the tools to win la liga this season with a healthy squad and new blood..... Barca has all the reason to fail and with pique's potential suspension their depth gets worse.....


oh dude. you have a lot of things to learn.

Koke is naturally MC. The reason why he played ML because of two reasons;

a) Diego wants to keep midfield busy to control and not to get counters so that players like Koke, Tiago and Gabi becomes three in the middle and Arda used to be on the left, Raul Garcia or adrian lopez was on the right when opponent was attacking. When ATM had the ball, Arda Turan and Adrian or Raul Garcia became AMC so that Koke becomes on the left and Gabi pushes forward.

b) They have never been a team who uses the crosses or wings. They always wanted to utilize from the middle and go in from there. They tried it with Mandzukic but it didn't work. Therefore, Koke was playing on the left but it was just on the paper. In the actual game, he was almost always in the middle.

Saul is naturally a mc but Diego wants to create another Koke from him. He will never become a winger like Bale but he will be another Koke where on the paper he will be seen as left winger but will move to the middle.




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Koke was injured quite a bit last season and only played 28 games....

Koke plays as a left midfielder or left attacker because of his crossing ability and due to the fact he isn't a mobile player like Gabi or tiago or saul... Koke is strong, but mobility is not his strength.


Koke has being played as false left midfielder in the past, but Simeone is reportedly trying to make him (again) work as pure central midfielder. Of course success in this regard is not a given. There have been some previous, albeit ephimeral, attempts to make that transition work (take into account it could be more of a team-balance thing than a skill-wise one). Particularly if Oliver couldn't pass for a viable substitute of Arda in a regular basis (it is not easy to fill in his boots, but I hope Oliver can, I am a fan of his), Koke will surely remain at the pseudo-left midfielder position in order to link better with the forwards (more freedom/flexibility for the player). I don't know which position will Saúl be playing for this season (probably he won't have a fixed position, which seems to be the actual point), but he initially was a box-to-box mid prospect. Kranevitter is probably the Atlético's target for the long term DM position. If they can snap him from River Plate, that's it.
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Post#162 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:00 pm

I just want to say my peace about De Gea... I don't freakin understand all this damn attention about him....
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Post#163 » by Lakers415 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:08 pm

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oh dude. you have a lot of things to learn.

Koke is naturally MC. The reason why he played ML because of two reasons;

a) Diego wants to keep midfield busy to control and not to get counters so that players like Koke, Tiago and Gabi becomes three in the middle and Arda used to be on the left, Raul Garcia or adrian lopez was on the right when opponent was attacking. When ATM had the ball, Arda Turan and Adrian or Raul Garcia became AMC so that Koke becomes on the left and Gabi pushes forward.

b) They have never been a team who uses the crosses or wings. They always wanted to utilize from the middle and go in from there. They tried it with Mandzukic but it didn't work. Therefore, Koke was playing on the left but it was just on the paper. In the actual game, he was almost always in the middle.

Saul is naturally a mc but Diego wants to create another Koke from him. He will never become a winger like Bale but he will be another Koke where on the paper he will be seen as left winger but will move to the middle.




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Koke was injured quite a bit last season and only played 28 games....

Koke plays as a left midfielder or left attacker because of his crossing ability and due to the fact he isn't a mobile player like Gabi or tiago or saul... Koke is strong, but mobility is not his strength.


Koke has being played as false left midfielder in the past, but Simeone is reportedly trying to make him (again) work as pure central midfielder. Of course success in this regard is not a given. There have been some previous, albeit ephimeral, attempts to make that transition work (take into account it could be more of a team-balance thing than a skill-wise one). Particularly if Oliver couldn't pass for a viable substitute of Arda in a regular basis (it is not easy to fill in his boots, but I hope Oliver can, I am a fan of his), Koke will surely remain at the pseudo-left midfielder position in order to link better with the forwards (more freedom/flexibility for the player). I don't know which position will Saúl be playing for this season (probably he won't have a fixed position, which seems to be the actual point), but he initially was a box-to-box mid prospect. Kranevitter is probably the Atlético's target for the long term DM position. If they can snap him from River Plate, that's it.


I remember I think it was against Real in the champs league, Koke played in the pivot and got rocked so badly there....

Oliver is very very good, but as i said before his skillset/physical attributes aren't cholo's ideal player... I think atletico can win the title this year because rafa is a failure and barca has no depth, especially now pedro is gone...

Atletico should of been the team to signed the porto brazilian rbs...
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Post#164 » by Hellcrooner » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:33 pm

Marca says Oliver is starting this weekend.
On the Right Wing.
Griezzman and Jackson up front.
Vietto on the bench.
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Post#165 » by J-Mezzy » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:43 pm

Calamity is a mod now? Good stuff.

I have a feeling Benitez will bench James. Seems like a very Benitez thing to do
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Post#166 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:55 pm

J-Mezzy wrote:Calamity is a mod now? Good stuff.

I have a feeling Benitez will bench James. Seems like a very Benitez thing to do

Benetiz would be a damn fool!

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Post#167 » by Lakers415 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:13 pm

Hellcrooner wrote:Marca says Oliver is starting this weekend.
On the Right Wing.
Griezzman and Jackson up front.
Vietto on the bench.


Marca is the dailymail of Spain.

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Post#168 » by Lakers415 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:14 pm

J-Mezzy wrote:Calamity is a mod now? Good stuff.

I have a feeling Benitez will bench James. Seems like a very Benitez thing to do


I can see it...

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Post#169 » by J-Mezzy » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:20 pm

The fool is sticking with Bale as a CAM having players like James and Isco who are real number 10s
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Post#170 » by Baphomet » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:24 pm

It's almost like buying the world's best footballing talents whilst not having enough space to accomodate them in the starting line-up is a terrible idea
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Post#171 » by Lakers415 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:27 pm

Baphomet wrote:It's almost like buying the world's best footballing talents whilst not having enough space to accomodate them in the starting line-up is a terrible idea


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Post#172 » by J-Mezzy » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:44 pm

Baphomet wrote:It's almost like buying the world's best footballing talents whilst not having enough space to accomodate them in the starting line-up is a terrible idea


Yup lol. Bale was the most senseless buy. Guy shines on the LW, but Ronaldo plays there so the guy has to play elsewhere. He must start regardless and didn't work at RW last season, so let's try CAM!

Bale world class player when he is on, but if you are not going to play him where he belongs and can succeed, why buy him?

I think Benitez should play Ronaldo as a CF a few games. He spends his time there anyways. Let Bale get some time on that LW
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Post#173 » by Hellcrooner » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:55 pm

Real should play like this.
Is not Rocket science.

---------------------------------------------------" De gea"------------------------------------------------------------
------Danilo----------------------------Ramos-------------Varane--------------------------Marcelo----------------
-----------------------------------------Kroos--------------Modric---------------------------------------------------
-----Cristiano R--------------------------------Isco--------------------------------------Bale-----------------
-------------------------------------------------Benzema------------------------------------------------------

With James going in for Isco when more firepower is needed.
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Post#174 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:02 pm

Isco shouldn't start over James
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Post#175 » by J-Mezzy » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:07 pm

How was Bale as LB?
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Post#176 » by Baphomet » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:10 pm

Atrocious. One of the worst LBs I've ever seen at Spurs, and we once had Atouba. He was very close to being sold to Forest for £2m. Took us 20 something games to win with him in the starting lineup.

Of course, he got moved to LM and eventually became a club legend. But it's never the easy path at Spurs.
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Post#177 » by TomJoad » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:13 pm

Lakers415 wrote:
Hellcrooner wrote:Marca says Oliver is starting this weekend.
On the Right Wing.
Griezzman and Jackson up front.
Vietto on the bench.


Marca is the dailymail of Spain.

Are you really Spanish?


Versus Las Palmas... At home? Maybe it is not a particularly bold claim anyways?
Is Simeone going to insert Carrawsco (pun intended) in the starting 11? At this point he's proved to run like a headless chicken and that's it. Might Simeone go with a Koke+Gabi+Tiago+Saúl/Raúl in the midfield and 2 strikers leaving the "talent" in the stands? Yes, he might, but I see no reason for it to be the default choice against this rival.

I mean at this point, I see less chances of Jackson playing than Oli (if the colombian is truly not yet up to the team physical standards).
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Post#178 » by DD12 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:12 pm

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Koke was injured quite a bit last season and only played 28 games....

Koke plays as a left midfielder or left attacker because of his crossing ability and due to the fact he isn't a mobile player like Gabi or tiago or saul... Koke is strong, but mobility is not his strength.


Lol. You did not watch ATM at all last season, did you? They tried to change the system with Mandzukic as a pivot striker but clearly did not work. Koke is naturally a MC and he has always wanted to play MC. All the caps he had at spanish national team, he always played MC.

His crossing ability is good because he has a great technique and he is great with the ball. But as a winger, he is slow, can't dribble past the opponent, doesn't have tricks at all. He is a solid MC but because of squad depth he had to cover the left wing on the paper but in reality he was pretty much MC in the actual game.
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Post#179 » by TomJoad » Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:50 pm

DD12 wrote:
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Koke: Played at least 14 more accurate crosses (74) than any other player in La Liga this season


Koke was injured quite a bit last season and only played 28 games....

Koke plays as a left midfielder or left attacker because of his crossing ability and due to the fact he isn't a mobile player like Gabi or tiago or saul... Koke is strong, but mobility is not his strength.


Lol. You did not watch ATM at all last season, did you? They tried to change the system with Mandzukic as a pivot striker but clearly did not work. Koke is naturally a MC and he has always wanted to play MC. All the caps he had at spanish national team, he always played MC.

His crossing ability is good because he has a great technique and he is great with the ball. But as a winger, he is slow, can't dribble past the opponent, doesn't have tricks at all. He is a solid MC but because of squad depth he had to cover the left wing on the paper but in reality he was pretty much MC in the actual game.


Koke last season was as a core player of the way Simeone preferred to set up the offensive style: starting plays in both wings playing three-way first touch football with Griezmann/Arda/Juanfran. This is not exactly a "because of squad depth" and/or "Koke actually only played CM in offence" situation, but the structure of the offensive set-up, where a traditional creator at central midfield is not needed full time (allowing for two experienced players in Tiago and Gabi to handle the midfield and a talented creator in each wing: Arda-Koke creating those three-way mismatches with Antoine and the full back (Siqueira being the weak link here).

Of course this year the squad is different (plenty of offensive talent, but with a lot of uncertainty) and allows for interesting alternatives (don't forget the massive improvement of being able to field Luis Filipe instead of Siqueira at left back), than can finally allow Koke to play in the midfield full-time. But as, I said, it is not a given.
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Post#180 » by EArl » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:24 am

J-Mezzy wrote:Calamity is a mod now? Good stuff.

I have a feeling Benitez will bench James. Seems like a very Benitez thing to do

I have no problem with this :D
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