FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase

[azcatz11]

Listen, you've already acknowledged you don't know what you're talking about. Why are you in here making wildly foolish, definitive statements?

You’re right I don’t.

Then shut up.

You shut up

[Baphomet]

Regardless, the USA have done well in this World Cup. Round of 16 is probably about where most fans would have predicted, right? Netherlands aren't as good as their footballing lineage would suggest right now, but there's no shame in losing to a traditional superpower.

[hermes]

I don't think it's strictly a lack of talent, although that is an impediment. I think it's also a lack of the ability to self-critique and as a result people in the USMNT program (and MLS, which is quite intertwined) are happy to hype every small achievement as if it is improvement. The fanboy media doesn't help either. The team failed to qualify at all in 2018 and only managed to barely squeeze into the round of 16 in 2022 by the skin of their teeth. Yet I see tons of articles by the aforementioned media fanboys that this young US team is doing amazing things, has surely improved since 2014, and is perhaps even a golden generation! It's quite a stretch imo, and it's the norm for how the team is covered. There is too much reporting what they wished as opposed to what is actually happening.

they probably feel like they have to hype everything up to build interest in the sport in the united states. the more it grows the more times they are going to get better athletes choosing soccer over the NBA and NFL (and more investment in the sport)

[Hornet Mania]

I don't think it's strictly a lack of talent, although that is an impediment. I think it's also a lack of the ability to self-critique and as a result people in the USMNT program (and MLS, which is quite intertwined) are happy to hype every small achievement as if it is improvement. The fanboy media doesn't help either. The team failed to qualify at all in 2018 and only managed to barely squeeze into the round of 16 in 2022 by the skin of their teeth. Yet I see tons of articles by the aforementioned media fanboys that this young US team is doing amazing things, has surely improved since 2014, and is perhaps even a golden generation! It's quite a stretch imo, and it's the norm for how the team is covered. There is too much reporting what they wished as opposed to what is actually happening.

they probably feel like they have to hype everything up to build interest in the sport in the united states. the more it grows the more times they are going to get better athletes choosing soccer over the NBA and NFL (and more investment in the sport)

Yes, I think that's exactly the problem. You hit the nail on the head. They are in an extremely tough spot, they have to be advocates for the sport itself unlike their peers in other national programs.

[ArksNetsSince99]

You’re right I don’t.

Then shut up.

You shut up

No, you shut up , you making a fool of yourself

[M3tro]

You’re right I don’t.

Then shut up.

You shut up

Why don't you BOTH shut up?!?!

[azcatz11]

Then shut up.

You shut up

No, you shut up , you making a fool of yourself

Cool sorry for having an opinion. You all have a great day!

[Baphomet]

Then shut up.

You shut up

No, you shut up , you making a fool of yourself

Guys, please.

Let's not.

[ejftw]

Regardless, the USA have done well in this World Cup. Round of 16 is probably about where most fans would have predicted, right? Netherlands aren't as good as their footballing lineage would suggest right now, but there's no shame in losing to a traditional superpower.

I had it as the floor, with the ceiling depending on who they matched up with. Once it was clear it was Holland, that's when it also became the ceiling.

To sound like a broken record, it just sucks because they had the opportunity to take the win, just didn't capitalize.

Hope a pair of good FBs can be developed/found a long with a true CF.

[ArksNetsSince99]

You shut up

No, you shut up , you making a fool of yourself

Guys, please.

Let's not.

You shut up too bloody wanker

[Sedale Threatt]

You shut up

No, you shut up , you making a fool of yourself

Guys, please.

Let's not.

Sorry man.

[wco81]

Regardless, the USA have done well in this World Cup. Round of 16 is probably about where most fans would have predicted, right? Netherlands aren't as good as their footballing lineage would suggest right now, but there's no shame in losing to a traditional superpower.

THat's probably right.

Looked like they were happy just to make it out of group, judging by the way they applauded each other after the match.

Even if they won today, they weren't beating the next opponent.

As poorly as they defended, when you look at their previous matches, they allowed some chances to opponents which they simply missed.

But today, they let the Dutch players get wide open looks from inside the box.

[Message Boar]

Welp, that does it.

About what I expected. Not a horrible performance from the US, but one where they're obviously the worse team.

This set us back 20 years. There’s no excuse to lose to the Dutch.

Okay, if you say so.

Still plenty of things to build on for the US from this tournament, I think. Even though the lack of offensive star-power (which plenty of teams -including The Netherlands- don't have, to be fair) won't necessarily solve itself, unless one of the young guys fully breaks out.

[Tracymcgoaty]

USA didn't even make the tournament 4 yrs ago -- so losing to the netherlands in a knockout stage is a step in the right direction.
Youngest team in the tourney made too many mistakes today. 2026 is right around the corner

Until we make a finals it will be a failure. We make the knockout every other year. Some of us want more and to stop waiting 20 years

eeh...What?

[TheHartBreakKid]

I don't get it...let's throw a 100 million Euros at Pep and dominate....The talent is there

Assuming you're not being facetious, I mean no offence but it really isn't. The team has very few technicians or players with the level of passing ability or footballing intellect to play in such a demanding tiki-taka style, I don't think Pep could do much with that squad.

If we're talking pie-in-the-sky impossible managerial appointments for the USA, Klopp would probably fit better as the USA has some impressive athletes that could presumably play some variation of a counter press, but not much else.

I was being facetious, and exaggerating due to frustration, regarding the Pep comment. Tactically Klopp would be the better as you said, if we're dreaming.

All that said, a coaching upgrade is needed. I'm not expecting Pep or Klopp or Sir Alex coming out of retirement, but this is the most talented U.S generation I've seen...It's a shame seeing them going to waste.

[ejftw]

Regardless, the USA have done well in this World Cup. Round of 16 is probably about where most fans would have predicted, right? Netherlands aren't as good as their footballing lineage would suggest right now, but there's no shame in losing to a traditional superpower.

THat's probably right.

Looked like they were happy just to make it out of group, judging by the way they applauded each other after the match.

Even if they won today, they weren't beating the next opponent.

As poorly as they defended, when you look at their previous matches, they allowed some chances to opponents which they simply missed.

But today, they let the Dutch players get wide open looks from inside the box.

I don't know man, this isn't Tim Cahill's Australia, US could have beat them.

I keed of course, but let's go Socceroos! Wanna see some upsets with Serbia and US at home

[ArksNetsSince99]

Regardless, the USA have done well in this World Cup. Round of 16 is probably about where most fans would have predicted, right? Netherlands aren't as good as their footballing lineage would suggest right now, but there's no shame in losing to a traditional superpower.

THat's probably right.

Looked like they were happy just to make it out of group, judging by the way they applauded each other after the match.

Even if they won today, they weren't beating the next opponent.

As poorly as they defended, when you look at their previous matches, they allowed some chances to opponents which they simply missed.

But today, they let the Dutch players get wide open looks from inside the box.

They were happy they made this far , it’s no shame

It’s kind of sad that this team have no fans really , occasional watchers but no die hard fans and it’s not gonna change , Soccer is dominant sport in 95% countries, USA it’s not one of them

[CalamityX12]

Usa is in the right direction... 2026 is when expectations are legitimate

[wco81]

Usa is in the right direction... 2026 is when expectations are legitimate

Why, who do they have in the pipeline?

Unless there are some 16-22 year olds who weren't ready for this WC but should be big time in 4 years, just don't see it.

[Pharmcat]

That was really disappointing, really poor defense