Official Arsenal FC Thread 3.0

Ong_dynasty · Post #21 » by **Ong_dynasty** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:07 pm

It feels good to be on the side where guys are jealous of our spending..
feels weird..lol

Ted Lasso · Post #22 » by **Ted Lasso** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:06 pm

GMgoran wrote:If he was as good as advertised by Arsenal's fans, Barcelona would have never sold him ...

This is a demonstrably poor argument. I don't know why you keep making it.

GMgoran · Post #23 » by **GMgoran** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:51 pm

Ted Lasso wrote:
GMgoran wrote:If he was as good as advertised by Arsenal's fans, Barcelona would have never sold him ...

This is a demonstrably poor argument. I don't know why you keep making it.

Alexis Sanchez is not some young player ... He is already 25 (turning 26 later this year), and he should be at the peak of his career ... However, he was considered not good enough to be the 3rd attacking option at Barcelona, and he was sold ...

IronChef · Post #24 » by **IronChef** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:09 pm

Ozil sucks, Henderson and Lallana are amazing. This kind of thinking is why England can't win a game and Germany will win the WC

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bbms · Post #25 » by **bbms** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:21 pm

If Robben and Sneijder were that good, Madrid would have never sold them. If Eto'o, Yaya Touré and Ibrahimovic were that good, Barcelona would have never sold them If Piqué was that good, Man Utd would have never sold him.

ardee · Post #26 » by **ardee** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:43 pm

I really really can't wait for Walcott and Sanchez to both be healthy.

We would have two of the three best wingers in the EPL, can you IMAGINE the havoc Ozil will wreak with those two streaking down the wings, and Ramsey making his runs too?

Goddamnit, with LeBron resigning in Cleveland this is just a sensory overload.

I WANT SPORTS BACK GODDAMNIT.

QuickLikeTheo · Post #27 » by **QuickLikeTheo** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:02 pm

I can't wait for the season...

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GMgoran · Post #28 » by **GMgoran** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:17 pm

Must have hurt to finish 4th once again, in a season when you were finally supposed to challenge for the title, with "the best No.10 in the World" on your team ... It would be even more funny when you finish outside the top 4 next season ... Sorry to say, but I see no real plan at your club ... Just some PR purchases of big clubs' rejects, and merchandising ... Lots of merchandising ...

White+Purple · Post #29 » by **White+Purple** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:44 pm

GMgoran wrote:Must have hurt to finish 4th once again, in a season when you were finally supposed to challenge for the title, with "the best No.10 in the World" on your team ... It would be even more funny when you finish outside the top 4 next season ... Sorry to say, but I see no real plan at your club ... Just some PR purchases of big clubs' rejects, and merchandising ... Lots of merchandising ...

GMgoran · Post #30 » by **GMgoran** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:56 pm

White+Purple wrote:
GMgoran wrote:Must have hurt to finish 4th once again, in a season when you were finally supposed to challenge for the title, with "the best No.10 in the World" on your team ... It would be even more funny when you finish outside the top 4 next season ... Sorry to say, but I see no real plan at your club ... Just some PR purchases of big clubs' rejects, and merchandising ... Lots of merchandising ...

Foye · Post #31 » by **Foye** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:06 pm

This board has become a cock comparison between Arsenal & Liverpool.

IronChef · Post #32 » by **IronChef** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:13 pm

Pretty sure we declined bringing back Fabregas, not the other way around

Ted Lasso · Post #33 » by **Ted Lasso** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:18 pm

GMgoran wrote:Must have hurt to finish 4th once again, in a season when you were finally supposed to challenge for the title, with "the best No.10 in the World" on your team ... It would be even more funny when you finish outside the top 4 next season ... Sorry to say, but I see no real plan at your club ... Just some PR purchases of big clubs' rejects, and merchandising ... Lots of merchandising ...

I don't understand what you're trying to achieve. What's the endgame or claim here?

GMgoran · Post #34 » by **GMgoran** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:43 pm

Ted Lasso wrote:
GMgoran wrote:Must have hurt to finish 4th once again, in a season when you were finally supposed to challenge for the title, with "the best No.10 in the World" on your team ... It would be even more funny when you finish outside the top 4 next season ... Sorry to say, but I see no real plan at your club ... Just some PR purchases of big clubs' rejects, and merchandising ... Lots of merchandising ...

I don't understand what you're trying to achieve. What's the endgame or claim here?

The claim? Yet another historic club losing it's soul and turning into purely a business operation ... I have always liked Arsenal, especially when Wenger was creating some world class players, and was playing some very good and efficient football ... Now, that model is abandoned, and the mercenaries are taking over ... I know that it is good for PR and for business, but it is bad for football in general ...

treiz · Post #35 » by **treiz** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:51 pm

GMgoran wrote:
Lallana and Lambert are smart buys ... A combined transfer fee of £27 million, and combined wages of £100,000 per week, for a couple of players who have scored 22 goals and recorded 19 assists in the Premier League last season, is a good piece of business ... They will provide the necessary depth and experience, especially now that we will have an increased number of games ...

By the way, Arsenal will never be able to outspend Man City and Chelsea, so their entire approach is flawed ... The only way to do it is the Borussia Dortmund way ... It used to be the Arsenal way, but it seems that they have lost it ... Now, they are just the poor man's Man City/Chelsea ...

So if Arsenal buys depth and experience as well as quality, they're doing it wrong. Liverpool do it and it's a smart move? What makes these Liverpool purchases smart and the Sanchez purchase who is not only a more superior player than both COMBINED not smart?

But they're not trying to outspend City/Chelsea, you don't have to overspend to buy quality players. No team in PL will be able to match ours and City's spending power, but with the FFP starting to come into play it makes it easier. Like I said, they tried to do it their way/Dortmund way, they tried to buy young and it yielded 9 trophy less seasons. The one advantage that Dortmund has is that the main competition is Bayern, so they build again from the ground up and still qualify for the Champions League and compete domestically. Whereas Arsenal have to deal with Chelsea, City, United, Liverpool, Tottenham, Everton are on the up etc.

GMgoran wrote:
The claim? Yet another historic club losing it's soul and turning into purely a business operation ... I have always liked Arsenal, especially when Wenger was creating some world class players, and was playing some very good and efficient football ... Now, that model is abandoned, and the mercenaries are taking over ... I know that it is good for PR and for business, but it is bad for football in general ...

This is where you sound completely naive.

How do you expect them to keep up with the City's, the Chelsea's and the United if they're not run like a business? How do you expect them to compete and buy players if they don't receive the money by running a business operation. How are they suppose to build a top of the line training facility without the money to build it?

You complain about them being a business operation, but that will inevitably help them become a bigger club and compete for trophies.

Also, as a Liverpool fan you should be the last thing complaining about this considering your owners.

GMgoran · Post #36 » by **GMgoran** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:56 pm

treiz wrote:
GMgoran wrote:
Lallana and Lambert are smart buys ... A combined transfer fee of £27 million, and combined wages of £100,000 per week, for a couple of players who have scored 22 goals and recorded 19 assists in the Premier League last season, is a good piece of business ... They will provide the necessary depth and experience, especially now that we will have an increased number of games ...

By the way, Arsenal will never be able to outspend Man City and Chelsea, so their entire approach is flawed ... The only way to do it is the Borussia Dortmund way ... It used to be the Arsenal way, but it seems that they have lost it ... Now, they are just the poor man's Man City/Chelsea ...

So if Arsenal buys depth and experience as well as quality, they're doing it wrong. Liverpool do it and it's a smart move? What makes these Liverpool purchases smart and the Sanchez purchase who is not only a more superior player than both COMBINED not smart?

When you commit £70+ million in a player who is not world class, it is not smart business ... It is the Leeds model, and we all know how that story has ended ...

treiz · Post #37 » by **treiz** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:01 pm

GMgoran wrote:When you commit £70+ million in a player who is not world class, it is not smart business ... It is the Leeds model, and we all know how that story has ended ...

Ozil and Sanchez are arguably world class, when they're on form they are. Also, they're business doesn't just come from transfers you know, they also get it from sponsorships, merchandising etc. I find it weird that you're complaining about "smart business" when in an earlier post you were just complaining about Arsenal becoming a business operation.

Spending £25 million on Lallana btw, is not "smart business"

Also, have a look at the link I posted regarding Liverpool's transfers since the start of 2010s, now that is not smart business.

MaliBrah · Post #38 » by **MaliBrah** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:04 pm

GMgoran wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:
GMgoran wrote:Must have hurt to finish 4th once again, in a season when you were finally supposed to challenge for the title, with "the best No.10 in the World" on your team ... It would be even more funny when you finish outside the top 4 next season ... Sorry to say, but I see no real plan at your club ... Just some PR purchases of big clubs' rejects, and merchandising ... Lots of merchandising ...

I don't understand what you're trying to achieve. What's the endgame or claim here?

The claim? Yet another historic club losing it's soul and turning into purely a business operation ... I have always liked Arsenal, especially when Wenger was creating some world class players, and was playing some very good and efficient football ... Now, that model is abandoned, and the mercenaries are taking over ... I know that it is good for PR and for business, but it is bad for football in general ...

what are you talking about? we tried to do that but the market doesn't work like that anymore. Now there is too much competition for those players , those days of viera and henry being picked up like that are long over. We tried to bring in young players when the club was skint and came close , but ultimately short (probably would have brought us a couple titles if abramovich and the sheikhs didn't show up too)

no model was abandoned this was always the plan when they moved into the emirates , try and build the club into a world wide super power funded by our commercial deals (ala united.. bayern... etc) because that would be the only way to compete with the barca's , madrids , bayern's , uniteds and now city and chelsea. The plan is progressing big time with the new kit and shirt sponsor deals coming in.No mercenaries are taking over , just the people that put their reputations on the line this past decade reaping the seeds they planted years ago.

read about it here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... nners.html

GMgoran · Post #39 » by **GMgoran** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:08 pm

MaliBrah wrote:
GMgoran wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:
I don't understand what you're trying to achieve. What's the endgame or claim here?

The claim? Yet another historic club losing it's soul and turning into purely a business operation ... I have always liked Arsenal, especially when Wenger was creating some world class players, and was playing some very good and efficient football ... Now, that model is abandoned, and the mercenaries are taking over ... I know that it is good for PR and for business, but it is bad for football in general ...

what are you talking about? we tried to do that but the market doesn't work like that anymore. Now there is too much competition for those players , those days of viera and henry being picked up like that are long over. We tried to bring in young players when the club was skint and came close , but ultimately short (probably would have brought us a couple titles if abramovich and the sheikhs didn't show up too)

no model was abandoned this was always the plan when they moved into the emirates , try and build the club into a world wide super power funded by our commercial deals (ala united.. bayern... etc) because that would be the only way to compete with the barca's , madrids , bayern's , uniteds and now city and chelsea. The plan is progressing big time with the new kit and shirt sponsor deals coming in.No mercenaries are taking over , just the people that put their reputations on the line this past decade reaping the seeds they planted years ago.

read about it here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... nners.html

Like I have said, it would be interesting when you finish outside the top 4 next season, with all those massive contracts on your wage bill ...

MaliBrah · Post #40 » by **MaliBrah** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:14 pm

we're getting what 60-65mill pounds (correct me if i'm wrong) a season from emirates and puma those are just 2 of the many sponsors. We have the largest cash balance in europe IIRC,or that might have changed in the last year. I'm sure we'll be fine.

we were paying those same wages anyways with all the deadwood leaving the club in the last 12 months. So that covers a good portion.