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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#221 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:52 am

Foye wrote:And there we go Jogi…France have all the control in the middle…


I thought it was just the opposite for most of the game. Germany seemed to control the centre with some lovely through balls. Sure Kanté was top notch but the others made a lot of mistakes. However Germany are toothless up front. France have potentially an incredible trio up front but didn't get them involved because their midfield couldn't find them.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#222 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:53 am

BoatsNZones wrote:Mbappe strikes so much fear now he doesn't even have to shoot to score anymore. Goated.



He did so little. He has great speed and is frightening but I think he's bought his own hype. He should have got a couple at least.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#223 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:55 am

BoatsNZones wrote:France is just so stacked at every level. The Germans are doing well to hold possession and keep it competitive, but all the danger is via les bleus.


We must be watching different matches. The first 15 minutes of the second half Germany were all over France and with a decent attacker they'd have scored 3. Germany dominated possession, shots and chances. France got a flukey goal and then held out.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#224 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:55 am

Foye wrote:Musiala for Gündogan please


Thought Gundogan was one of your better performers. Can looked great when he came on too.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#225 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:56 am

Foye wrote:Mbappe vs Hummels is Ferrari vs. Wheelchair lmao


Yet he didn't score. France should have exploited that all match long.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#226 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:57 am

Young Stapler wrote:We suck

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You need to purchase a Lukaku and sell those Chelsea guys. :wink:
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#227 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:58 am

Foye wrote:Might be offside


A mile offside more like. Poor attacking with the speed he has. He should watch some vintage Vardy clips.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

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Young Stapler wrote:Sane wtf

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What has happened to him since his early Man City times? Ego I guess.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#229 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:59 am

Foye wrote:Volland is our new LB lmao


He was terrible.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#230 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:02 am

Foye wrote:These interviews from German players after the game thinking they were the better team really amaze me.
Outclassed by a French team that didnt even give 100%.


TBH I thought Germany were the better team on the day but they have no killer punch at the striking end. France were lethargic and poor, Looking at the comparative skill level of the teams France should have won by 6 or 7. watching the match a draw would have been fair. That goal was just a joke goal certainly never would have been without the Defender being a muppet.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#231 » by BoatsNZones » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:27 am

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BoatsNZones wrote:France is just so stacked at every level. The Germans are doing well to hold possession and keep it competitive, but all the danger is via les bleus.


We must be watching different matches. The first 15 minutes of the second half Germany were all over France and with a decent attacker they'd have scored 3. Germany dominated possession, shots and chances. France got a flukey goal and then held out.

:lol:

Clearly we were. Did you miss the two goals negated by being a touch off sides (one a brilliant iso goal by Mbappe) and the PK opportunity turned no call? He was very clearly the most dangerous player on the pitch and they were very clearly the more dangerous team.

By no stretch of the imagination did Germany dominate the chances (realize that the 3 I’m speaking of were not even registered statistically). Holding possession is nice, but meaningless.

You may need to actually rewatch this game if you’re not simply on ESPN.com right now looking at the stats. It was a fun game, but one that France should have won by multiple goals.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#232 » by Foye » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:36 am

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Foye wrote:Musiala for Gündogan please


Thought Gundogan was one of your better performers. Can looked great when he came on too.


Here is the issue I have with both Kroos and Gündogan.
Both are great passers and kind of creative offensive players.
However, both of these guys are incredibly limited when it comes to defending.

They have no urgency whatsoever to put in a tackle and mainly are just in escort mode trying to keep the opponent in front of them while not pressuring the ball at all, leaving the opponent with way too much time to find a decision.

Kroos definitely tried his best at the start of the game to defend and had a couple times where he got hold of the ball but the older the game got the more he went into escort mode as usual. Gündogan was basically all game in escort mode.

The bottom line is: These two players just don't work well together because of their lack of defensive urgency. You can get away with one defensive liability, but two signifcantely decreases your chances of getting anything done in major games.
A quadrillion years into his coaching career Löw still hasn't understood this.
Much like Guardiola who did the same mistake in the UCL final.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#233 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:39 am

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BoatsNZones wrote:France is just so stacked at every level. The Germans are doing well to hold possession and keep it competitive, but all the danger is via les bleus.


We must be watching different matches. The first 15 minutes of the second half Germany were all over France and with a decent attacker they'd have scored 3. Germany dominated possession, shots and chances. France got a flukey goal and then held out.

:lol:

Clearly we were. Did you miss the two goals negated by being a touch off sides (one a brilliant iso goal by Mbappe) and the PK opportunity turned no call? He was very clearly the most dangerous player on the pitch and they were very clearly the more dangerous team.

By no stretch of the imagination did Germany dominate the chances (realize that the 3 I’m speaking of were not even registered statistically). Holding possession is nice, but meaningless.

You may need to actually rewatch this game if you’re not simply on ESPN.com right now looking at the stats. It was a fun game, but one that France should have won by multiple goals.


Both "goals" were way offside. How you can call them chances is just a joke. Anyone standing offside is likely to have a shot on goal if they are passed the ball - that's why the offside law was introduced to football. It was particularly poor play by MBappé who has the speed to stay onside and still get to the ball first. Sure he was the most dangerous player on the pitch but that resulted in nothing. If only Germany had a striker you would have lost.

I saw that Germany dominated possession and also had more than twice as many shots on goal. Did France even have more than 1 shot on target? Neuer had nothing to do at all. The goal you won by was nothing to do with France skill was it?

In the end I'm a neutral watching the match whilst you are a France supporter. It'd be like me commenting on how good Leicester are.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#234 » by HIF » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:46 am

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HIF wrote:
Foye wrote:Musiala for Gündogan please


Thought Gundogan was one of your better performers. Can looked great when he came on too.


Here is the issue I have with both Kroos and Gündogan.
Both are great passers and kind of creative offensive players.
However, both of these guys are incredibly limited when it comes to defending.

They have no urgency whatsoever to put in a tackle and mainly are just in escort mode trying to keep the opponent in front of them while not pressuring the ball at all, leaving the opponent with way too much time to find a decision.

Kroos definitely tried his best at the start of the game to defend and had a couple times where he got hold of the ball but the older the game got the more he went into escort mode as usual. Gündogan was basically all game in escort mode.

The bottom line is: These two players just don't work well together because of their lack of defensive urgency. You can get away with one defensive liability, but two signifcantely decreases your chances of getting anything done in major games.
A quadrillion years into his coaching career Löw still hasn't understood this.
Much like Guardiola who did the same mistake in the UCL final.


I don't disagree, this is the worst German team I've seen in the last 50 years of watching football. Personally I thought that Gundogan was playing too deep but he did put some good passes through and he did pressurise players at time. Kroos also put a few good through passes in but he seemed to never be near a French player on defence.

They shouldn't be playing together, one or other with a Kanté would be better.

I was also disappointed in Gosens. I know nothing about him but saw that Leicester were interested in him but he's not interested in them since they only have EL and CL. On this one view (not much I know) he seems to be a defensive liability and he wasn't very accurate with the many balls he crossed into the box. I thought Kimmich was much better with great energy and skill even though he got that early booking for absolutely nothing.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#235 » by Foye » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:19 am

HIF wrote:
Foye wrote:And there we go Jogi…France have all the control in the middle…


I thought it was just the opposite for most of the game. Germany seemed to control the centre with some lovely through balls. Sure Kanté was top notch but the others made a lot of mistakes. However Germany are toothless up front. France have potentially an incredible trio up front but didn't get them involved because their midfield couldn't find them.


It's a shame my company laptop won't allow me to upload pictures otherwise I'd give you a picture what I mean.

When Rabiot hit the post is actually a great example of what I mean.

1:00 mark. Might not be available in your country though.

Gündogan doesn't get ahold of Benzema who passes to Mbappe (cut out in video, though). Gündogan instead of staying aggressive and directly chasing Mbappe falls asleep, Hummels ain't aggressive either (it was too far away from the goal for a slow defender like him anyway, though), Kroos was worlds away from the scene.
Mbappe just has more than a 5meter radius around him to play that through ball to Rabiot for a couple seconds because Gündogan doesn't stay aggressive.
There is no sense of urgency to get this situation defended.
30-40 meters ahead of the goal in the middle of the pitch. Cant happen.

Also, watch Gündogans role when Mbappe scored the first offside second goal. Kimmich was not doing a great job defending either but at least he blocked the way to goal delaying the shot for a little. Gündogan just decides to take take a nap directly next to Mbappe and Kimmich instead of actually going for the ball.

1:20 mark in the yt video.

That video ain't really good because it cuts out major parts of these two scenes but I figured this might be available in your country. The longer German ones might not be available in your country. Just to know which kind of scenes I mean.

For France, there really weren't too many of these scenes where they did not defend with urgency.
I think France didn't do a good job of defending the wings because their defense was standing 10 meters too deep.
That resulted in a couple chances from the wings but these are the types of chances you can never fully prevent and overall the CBs did a fairly good job of clearing them all (except the Gnabry chance).
There really weren't a lot of chances for Germany that were dangerous, especially not assisted through the middle of the pitch. France had it much easier to get something going in the 20 meters ahead of the penalty area.
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#236 » by Foye » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:28 am

HIF wrote:
Foye wrote:
HIF wrote:
Thought Gundogan was one of your better performers. Can looked great when he came on too.


Here is the issue I have with both Kroos and Gündogan.
Both are great passers and kind of creative offensive players.
However, both of these guys are incredibly limited when it comes to defending.

They have no urgency whatsoever to put in a tackle and mainly are just in escort mode trying to keep the opponent in front of them while not pressuring the ball at all, leaving the opponent with way too much time to find a decision.

Kroos definitely tried his best at the start of the game to defend and had a couple times where he got hold of the ball but the older the game got the more he went into escort mode as usual. Gündogan was basically all game in escort mode.

The bottom line is: These two players just don't work well together because of their lack of defensive urgency. You can get away with one defensive liability, but two signifcantely decreases your chances of getting anything done in major games.
A quadrillion years into his coaching career Löw still hasn't understood this.
Much like Guardiola who did the same mistake in the UCL final.


I don't disagree, this is the worst German team I've seen in the last 50 years of watching football. Personally I thought that Gundogan was playing too deep but he did put some good passes through and he did pressurise players at time. Kroos also put a few good through passes in but he seemed to never be near a French player on defence.

They shouldn't be playing together, one or other with a Kanté would be better.


I was also disappointed in Gosens. I know nothing about him but saw that Leicester were interested in him but he's not interested in them since they only have EL and CL. On this one view (not much I know) he seems to be a defensive liability and he wasn't very accurate with the many balls he crossed into the box. I thought Kimmich was much better with great energy and skill even though he got that early booking for absolutely nothing.


That's exactly my point.
Kimmich needs to be the main man in the middle. Then either Kroos or Gündogan next to him.
Personally, I'd even prefer Goretzka next to Kimmich once he is back healthy.

Another point I would like to make.
France were standing way deep. There was no pressure on the CBs. Hummels has great passing ability, Rüdiger and Ginter are at least decent. There was really no reason for both Gündogan and Kroos to be on the pitch for the same time. The balls they played on offense to the wings could've very much also been played by either Kimmich and/or the CBs.

The worst German team is probably the 2000 team that got their asses handed by Sergio Conceicao and couldn't beat Hagi's Romania. :lol:
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#237 » by fbalmeida » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:43 am

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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#238 » by The_Brecht » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:11 pm

Is Mourinho at France?
Griezmann and Benzema were playing in defence most of the time.

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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#239 » by Foye » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:45 pm

The Turks always sh*t their pants when a meaningful competition arrives
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Re: UEFA European Championship 2020 - Group Stage 

Post#240 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:47 pm

What a pass by Bale to Ramsey, two times Turkey got beaten by the same play.
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