FIFA World Cup Final: Germany vs. Argentina (July 13th)

EArl · Post #41 » by **EArl** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:44 am

Messis in my top 3 regardless if he wins or not.

Maex · Post #42 » by **Maex** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:45 am

WC 2002: Final
WC 2006: Semifinal
EC 2008: Final
WC 2010: Semifinal
EC 2012: Semifinal
WC 2014: ?

We Germans clearly had a long warm-up, it is time to bring it home. :pray:

On a more serious note: I do think that this match will be decided in the midfield. Nothing I saw yesterday, would make me afraid. While Mascherano is an outstanding player, the midfield is clearly separated. Neither the Dutch, nor Belgium, nor Switzerland, had the player material to take advantage. Germany will certainly trying to exploit that space, as they did it with Brazil's left side. Lahm will eventually overload the midfield as a fullback.

On the other hand Argentina has clearly problems at breaking down packed defenses and Germany shows that they are packed since Lahm switched to the right side and they do not have the ridiculous high line anymore.

I especially like the midfield and fullback match ups, which should give Germany an advantage.

Still this is a WC game and it can go in both directions.

EuroPacer · Post #43 » by **EuroPacer** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:32 am

I have Germany down to win and now that my Netherlands are out I can come clean and state that I have had Germany to win regardless (I thought it might be a Germany Netherlands final after we routed Spain).

I will be rooting for my ex-neighbours.

EuroPacer · Post #44 » by **EuroPacer** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:32 am

I have Germany down to win and now that my Netherlands are out I can come clean and state that I have had Germany to win regardless (I thought it might be a Germany Netherlands final after we routed Spain).

I will be rooting for my ex-neighbours.

mas1977 · Post #45 » by **mas1977** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:40 am

Will be rooting for Germany. They have such a good team and they played the best at the WC. Especially against Portugal and Brazil of course.

They deserve to win it.

SunsRback4Good · Post #46 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:05 am

And then there were two. Can't wait for this match and I don't believe its gonna be a blowout by any means. It should be a close game but Germany edging out Argentina for the world cup win. Lets do thisssssssssssss!!!!

treiz · Post #47 » by **treiz** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:51 am

Rasho Brezec wrote:
Baphomet wrote:As an English fan this couldn't have gone much worse.

You evil bastard! :lol:

Point forward · Post #48 » by **Point forward** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:09 am

One guy is going to get a king size monkey off his back, either Löw or Messi. That being said...

Also, conversation between these guys is gonna be kinda awkward

HeartBreaking · Post #49 » by **HeartBreaking** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:24 am

messi is the best player to even play kick ball

SunsRback4Good · Post #50 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:28 am

HeartBreaking wrote:Pele is the best player to even play kick ball

Fixed that for you.

AdamTheGreek · Post #51 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:54 pm

For betting and Greek reasons I want Argentina to win. Also, Messi winning his World Cup would be great to already solidify his legacy before he even reaches 30.

With that said, Germany has so many weapons I just don't see Argentina being able to shut the Germans out.

No_20 · Post #52 » by **No_20** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:19 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zklOBW56ao[/youtube]

ItalianBull · Post #53 » by **ItalianBull** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:02 pm

Messi cant even tie Maradona's shoes.

He dissapeared in all 2nd round, against Belgium and Netherlands he was not a factor, and against Switzerland he also didnt do much.
Maradona won a world cup just by himself and played the best at the important games.

Maradona made Napoli the best team of Italy, Messi hasnt won anything without a superteam around him.

cgf · Post #54 » by **cgf** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:04 pm

ardee wrote:
cgf wrote:
b-ball forever wrote:This game will be huge for Messi's legacy.

He already won everything at club level, so if he wins on the big stage with Argentina too that gets him up into the GOAT candidate talk, specially considering Di Maria is out and Aguero is hurt.

*sigh* if he wins that cements him as one of the top 3 argentinians of all time alongside Maradona and di Stefano, but it doesn't move him past Pele, Cruyff, Netzer, Platini, Beckenbauer, Gerd, Phenomeno, van Basten, Zizou, phenomeno, garrincha, romaria, etc.

In what world would Romario or Netzer be above Messi with a WC?

I think you're just backing older players because they're older.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using RealGM Forums mobile app

In a world were we don't judge only on their stat sheet? Messi's numerical dominance is impressive and what puts him in that tier of players who are all deserving of one of the finally spots in the top 10, but I don't think it prudent to ignore how much messi's statistical dominance is shaped by how the game has changed both in terms of keeping players fit to perform consistently, and how league play has changed since the big clubs got even bigger after the bosman ruling.

I wouldn't have romario over messi, but I know some do so I included him, netzer for me is top 5 all time though, he's the most brilliant midfield maestro I've ever seen a combination of xavi and pirlo but at an even higher level. I've still not enjoyed watching a footballer like I do Netzer.

ardee · Post #55 » by **ardee** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:58 pm

This feels like an anticlimax for some reason.

Don't feel like either of these teams are really worthy WC finalists.

Higga · Post #56 » by **Higga** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:07 pm

Predicted Germany over Argentina at the start. Also predicted Spain over Netherlands back in 2010. Call me the World Cup Nostrodamus.

Going with Germany 2-1.

Raps in 4 · Post #57 » by **Raps in 4** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:20 pm

ardee wrote:This feels like an anticlimax for some reason.

Don't feel like either of these teams are really worthy WC finalists.

These are two of the best teams on paper. The only team that might've looked better on paper is Spain, and they certainly didn't deserve to be here.

whocurrz · Post #58 » by **whocurrz** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:22 pm

Higga wrote:Predicted Germany over Argentina at the start. Also predicted Spain over Netherlands back in 2010. Call me the World Cup Nostrodamus.

Going with Germany 2-1.

Same here except I predicted Argentina over Germany this year. You look more likely to be the true WC Nostradamus but we will see on Sunday... :nod:

HeartBreaking · Post #59 » by **HeartBreaking** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:02 pm

Martin87 wrote:Messi cant even tie Maradona's shoes.

He dissapeared in all 2nd round, against Belgium and Netherlands he was not a factor, and against Switzerland he also didnt do much.
Maradona won a world cup just by himself and played the best at the important games.

Maradona made Napoli the best team of Italy, Messi hasnt won anything without a superteam around him.

lol just lol

Andi Obst · Post #60 » by **Andi Obst** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:40 pm

It's always great to see people argue about sports GOATs when you know 90% of these people haven't even seen half of the players they're talking about.

Who will win?