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IronChef · Post #401 » by **IronChef** » Wed Feb 8, 2012 10:55 pm

Chandler Bing wrote:If i ran the FA, i'd beg Arsenal to let Arsene Wenger come on board on a temporary basis and take the team to the European Championship.

I don't see how Mourinho can leave Real Madrid right now.

Hands off Arsene :evil:

More of a chance he replaces Blanc in France, imo

I doubt any of the big managers are willing to leave their clubs before the summer. Best bet would probably be Hiddink, I think. Really strange situation going into Euros without a manager or captain.

IronChef · Post #402 » by **IronChef** » Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:02 pm

Looking at Sky Sports list of possible replacements makes me shudder

HARRY REDKNAPP

Ticks all the boxes; English, managed in the Champions League, won trophies, plays attractive football and has done so with Tottenham thanks to a core of English players, including captaincy candidate Scott Parker. Has to be the overwhelming favourite.

ROY HODGSON

Was strongly fancied to replace Capello following the 2010 World Cup. However, before the FA made its decision, Hodgson plumped for an ill-fated spell with Liverpool. Now at West Brom, Hodgson has vast managerial experience and would be viewed as a safe pair of hands.

ALAN PARDEW

After difficult spells at Charlton and Southampton, Pardew has re-established his reputation at Newcastle. Overcome a lot of scepticism to re-establish the Magpies as a top-flight force and not yet out of contention for a Champions League place after an outstanding campaign.

STUART PEARCE

Long-time coach of the England Under-21 side and confirmed as boss of the Olympic team later this year. Pearce's fierce reputation as a player took a knock when he failed to curb the excesses of Joey Barton at Manchester City. Lacks experience of the club scene but many other countries prefer to appoint from within.

JOSE MOURINHO

Impeccable CV and perfect grasp of English. One man who would have no problem controlling the dressing-room egos. Tipped to leave Real Madrid in the summer, his fiery temperament might be a big problem for the FA, in addition to his salary demands, which are sure to be high.

ARSENE WENGER

Hugely respected in England and his knowledge of the domestic game clearly an advantage. In the middle of a vast rebuilding exercise at Arsenal, where some fans have turned against him, so not impossible to believe he could be prised away. Never shown any liking for the international game though.

Can you imagine Stuart Pierce or Alan Pardew as manager of England? Jesus

Just out of curiosity, what has Redknapp really won? He's always described as the most successful English manager, and 'has won trophies' but all I can remember is one FA cup (and a wave of destroyed clubs in his wake)

IronChef · Post #403 » by **IronChef** » Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:05 pm

Actually, on second thought I change my vote to Fat Sam Allardyce, for comedic reasons

Post #404 » by **5DOM** » Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:03 am

SlavaMedvedenko wrote:Am I the only one who thinks its ridiculously unprofessional to do this just ahead of a big tournament?

Blame the FA. Look at how much **** Capello had to go through because of this captaincy alone. The FA should have either banned JT immediately or waited until he's proven guilty (or innocent). Stripping JT of his captaincy after deciding to have him in the squad made no sense at all especially when the manager was so against it. This was probably an easy decision for Capello knowing he would be unfairly blamed by the media for losing the locker room after another inevitable letdown.

But tbf I don't think England will miss him much if they are able to get Hiddink. People wanting to see a young team will be disappointed if Arry gets the position though. Parker and Lampard are sure to start for him.

IronChef · Post #405 » by **IronChef** » Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:17 am

The FA were put in a pretty tough spot with the decision to delay the trial until after the Euro tourney. They couldn't wait for the trial to decide, and having previously suspended players pending charges they couldn't really go the innocent until proven guilty route. They obviously didn't want to suspend him outright, in the unlikely event he is found innocent it would have been a big problem.

I can't find the good decision the FA could have made here, and I think they probably chose the best option available. I'm surprised Capello couldn't understand that and keep his mouth shut until after the tourney.

Post #406 » by **5DOM** » Thu Feb 9, 2012 1:11 am

IronChef wrote:They couldn't wait for the trial to decide, and having previously suspended players pending charges they couldn't really go the innocent until proven guilty route.

I'm not sure if I understand. The FA had been on the "innocent until proven guilty" route for the last four months and only decided to strip JT of captaincy last week. Why couldn't they wait four more months? It's not like anything happened in last four. Funny thing is they won't suspend him for PL actions until after the hearing either because he's innocent until proven guilty.

IronChef · Post #407 » by **IronChef** » Thu Feb 9, 2012 4:54 am

5DOM wrote:
IronChef wrote:They couldn't wait for the trial to decide, and having previously suspended players pending charges they couldn't really go the innocent until proven guilty route.

I'm not sure if I understand. The FA had been on the "innocent until proven guilty" route for the last four months and only decided to strip JT of captaincy last week. Why couldn't they wait four more months? It's not like anything happened in last four. Funny thing is they won't suspend him for PL actions until after the hearing either because he's innocent until proven guilty.

As far as I know they were originally waiting for the completion of the trial to decided his innocence, and that was scheduled for February. But, Terry and Chelsea appealed to have the trial delayed until after the season, and now it will be after the Euros so they can't really go that route.

Personally, I would have preferred them banning him completely, but I can see why they didn't. If he was found innocent he would have serious cause for complaint. They shouldn't have delayed the trial, imo. And if Terry was going to go the route of delaying the trial he should have accepted the FAs request for him to step down as captain. But, he refused and they stripped him and now the England squad is a even more of a mess than it previously was. That no one involved with the English National team is willing to swallow their personal pride for the good of the team is unfortunate but not very surprising.

Post #408 » by **5DOM** » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:12 am

IronChef wrote:
5DOM wrote:I'm not sure if I understand. The FA had been on the "innocent until proven guilty" route for the last four months and only decided to strip JT of captaincy last week. Why couldn't they wait four more months? It's not like anything happened in last four. Funny thing is they won't suspend him for PL actions until after the hearing either because he's innocent until proven guilty.

As far as I know they were originally waiting for the completion of the trial to decided his innocence, and that was scheduled for February. But, Terry and Chelsea appealed to have the trial delayed until after the season, and now it will be after the Euros so they can't really go that route.

I've only started following this saga a couple of days ago myself, so I don't know much about it either, but why couldn't they just wait 4 more months? Is there any reason why they simply had to make a decision in February?

Anyway, all I know is that if the FA kept their four-month "innocent until proven guilty" stance, England would still have its manager and captain. Terry might get boo'ed more but that's not something new anyway. Now, I only say all this because I don't believe Terry's a racist - an idiot for sure though.

IronChef · Post #409 » by **IronChef** » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:18 am

I just wish they hadn't delayed the trial. I can see why the FA doesn't want to go into a major tournament with charges of racism hanging over the head of its team captain. They certainly could have handled this better too, though. Hopefully they'll appoint Hiddink and they can get back to focusing on the tournament. As Slava said, there is a lot of developing young talent in England that they can hopefully build on.

Post #410 » by **Slava** » Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:18 am

Actually there appears to be a clause in Capello's contract that allows him to name his captain without any interference from the FA and I think Capello decided to throw all his cards in the JT or I quit pond.

MaliBrah · Post #411 » by **MaliBrah** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:18 am

good grief , the barca vs rvp chase to sign rvp has already begun and the media is about to take it to a whole new level in the next year or so.....

Post #412 » by **Slava** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:32 pm

"We have a first option on Oriol Romeu, but at this moment we don't plan to re-sign him," he told RAC1.

Looks like he's set to stay at Chelsea.

Post #413 » by **5DOM** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:46 pm

Suarez decides not to shake Evra's hand.

MitchellUK · Post #414 » by **MitchellUK** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:55 pm

5DOM wrote:Suarez decides not to shake Evra's hand.

Yep, just means the whole issue remains open and will dominate the back pages again tomorrow, instead of the game itself.

Post #415 » by **5DOM** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:32 pm

LOL at Suarez

Post #416 » by **5DOM** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:37 pm

MitchellUK wrote:
5DOM wrote:Suarez decides not to shake Evra's hand.

Yep, just means the whole issue remains open and will dominate the back pages again tomorrow, instead of the game itself.

tbf that was probably the most exciting moment of the half aside from the Scholes header.

One thing I don't get is why Suarez can't move on after deciding not to appeal. Dalglish must be sick and tired of having to defend that moron.

Back to the game, only Welbeck, Carrick, Gerrard and Suarez decided to show up. Hopefully Rooney wakes up and the game becomes more interesting

Post #417 » by **Slava** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:47 pm

Suarez is a disgusting person and full credit to Rio for turning down the handshake with Suarez as well. Wish more players had taken suit.

Evans has improved admirably though, fantastic poise so far.

Post #418 » by **bryant08** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:48 pm

Suarez is just ridiculous. Not a great first half, Scholes probably should've scored that header. Evans actually had quite a solid half. Would love to see Rooney score from open play and I actually think Chicharito should've gotten the start today. Would like to see Cleverley make an appearance in the second half. Also very interested to hear what happened in the tunnel.

Post #419 » by **5DOM** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:50 pm

AND Rooney scores

MitchellUK · Post #420 » by **MitchellUK** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:52 pm

5DOM wrote:
MitchellUK wrote:
5DOM wrote:Suarez decides not to shake Evra's hand.

Yep, just means the whole issue remains open and will dominate the back pages again tomorrow, instead of the game itself.

tbf that was probably the most exciting moment of the half aside from the Scholes header.

One thing I don't get is why Suarez can't move on after deciding not to appeal. Dalglish must be sick and tired of having to defend that moron.

Back to the game, only Welbeck, Carrick, Gerrard and Suarez decided to show up. Hopefully Rooney wakes up and the game becomes more interesting

Had Suarez just taken Evra's hand, a line could hopefully have been drawn under the whole thing. Now Sky are saying that there was some pushing and shoving in the tunnel at half time because Evra wanted to talk to Suarez about the snub and Skrtel got involved. Ridiculous.

Welbeck looked decent. Busy, and some nice touches. Generally a scrappy first half, but the move that led to Scholes' header was nice. I think United should look to get Valencia involved more, he's been very good the last few weeks and he could have some joy against Enrique. Similarly Liverpool should look to get Downing running at Rafael.

As I type, Rooney scores twice, 2-0!