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Re: Official Liverpool FC Thread II 

Post#461 » by Pipp33 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:28 pm

MetalFingaz wrote:If not for Courtois we might have won 6-0.



That was an absolute demolition. My son is a mad Liverpool fan (don't know how that happened), so I see a lot of your games with him and they have been fantastic this season. On current form, they look like winning everything. Obviously there will likely be a few hiccups, but it's been a phenomenal start under the new manager.

Would be a shocking decision though not to settle the Salah contract very soon so it doesn't become a distraction further into the season. Would be MAD to not offer him a new deal.
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Re: Official Liverpool FC Thread II 

Post#462 » by Baseline81 » Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:51 am

Pipp33 wrote:That was an absolute demolition. My son is a mad Liverpool fan (don't know how that happened), so I see a lot of your games with him and they have been fantastic this season. On current form, they look like winning everything. Obviously there will likely be a few hiccups, but it's been a phenomenal start under the new manager.

Would be a shocking decision though not to settle the Salah contract very soon so it doesn't become a distraction further into the season. Would be MAD to not offer him a new deal.

It's not as simply as many LFC fans believe.

Unlike at Manchester United, Liverpool holds to a wage structure. And by giving in to Salah by "paying him whatever it takes", both Van Dijk and TAA will be expecting pay rises as well, given they, too, are amongst the best at their positions Europe. Konate, who's been immense this season, has, I believe, 18 months left on his contract. Now, he won't demand the salary of a Van Dijk, but he'll certainly ask for one closer to him. You can then start seeing the snowball effect where players who were paid at one tier are now being pushed to the next. That's not the FSG way of doing things...

Also note the largest expense at Liverpool, according to its financials, are wages.
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Post#463 » by MetalFingaz » Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:35 am

Pipp33 wrote:That was an absolute demolition. My son is a mad Liverpool fan (don't know how that happened), so I see a lot of your games with him and they have been fantastic this season.

Cheers, it's great to see Villa back where they belong.

Pipp33 wrote:On current form, they look like winning everything. Obviously there will likely be a few hiccups, but it's been a phenomenal start under the new manager.

We've been fortunate relative to others that we haven't had a serious injury in midfield, bar Elliott. We really don't have long-term cover if Gravenberch was to get hurt.

Pipp33 wrote:Would be a shocking decision though not to settle the Salah contract very soon so it doesn't become a distraction further into the season. Would be MAD to not offer him a new deal.

Fully agreed, though I don't think it'd be a distraction. Mo is a professional and everyone around him knows that. If he signs a pre-contract elsewhere, I don't have any doubt that he'd still try to get 100 goals before the end of the season to catch Shearer.
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Re: Official Liverpool FC Thread II 

Post#464 » by MetalFingaz » Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:37 am

Baseline81 wrote:
Pipp33 wrote:That was an absolute demolition. My son is a mad Liverpool fan (don't know how that happened), so I see a lot of your games with him and they have been fantastic this season. On current form, they look like winning everything. Obviously there will likely be a few hiccups, but it's been a phenomenal start under the new manager.

Would be a shocking decision though not to settle the Salah contract very soon so it doesn't become a distraction further into the season. Would be MAD to not offer him a new deal.

It's not as simply as many LFC fans believe.

Unlike at Manchester United, Liverpool holds to a wage structure. And by giving in to Salah by "paying him whatever it takes", both Van Dijk and TAA will be expecting pay rises as well, given they, too, are amongst the best at their positions Europe. Konate, who's been immense this season, has, I believe, 18 months left on his contract. Now, he won't demand the salary of a Van Dijk, but he'll certainly ask for one closer to him. You can then start seeing the snowball effect where players who were paid at one tier are now being pushed to the next. That's not the FSG way of doing things...

Also note the largest expense at Liverpool, according to its financials, are wages.

Let Van Dijk and Trent walk. Salah is by far the most important player in the team. You can break the structure for the best player in world football.
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Post#465 » by Pipp33 » Fri Nov 29, 2024 6:16 am

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Pipp33 wrote:That was an absolute demolition. My son is a mad Liverpool fan (don't know how that happened), so I see a lot of your games with him and they have been fantastic this season.

Cheers, it's great to see Villa back where they belong.

Pipp33 wrote:On current form, they look like winning everything. Obviously there will likely be a few hiccups, but it's been a phenomenal start under the new manager.

We've been fortunate relative to others that we haven't had a serious injury in midfield, bar Elliott. We really don't have long-term cover if Gravenberch was to get hurt.

Pipp33 wrote:Would be a shocking decision though not to settle the Salah contract very soon so it doesn't become a distraction further into the season. Would be MAD to not offer him a new deal.

Fully agreed, though I don't think it'd be a distraction. Mo is a professional and everyone around him knows that. If he signs a pre-contract elsewhere, I don't have any doubt that he'd still try to get 100 goals before the end of the season to catch Shearer.


Agree that Salah will be the utmost professional...but the drama from external noises can be a distraction eventually if it takes a long time to sort out. All players will no doubt be supportive of him whichever way it goes, but the media circus can just wear on the players eventually.
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Post#466 » by stormi » Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:18 am

MetalFingaz wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:
Pipp33 wrote:That was an absolute demolition. My son is a mad Liverpool fan (don't know how that happened), so I see a lot of your games with him and they have been fantastic this season. On current form, they look like winning everything. Obviously there will likely be a few hiccups, but it's been a phenomenal start under the new manager.

Would be a shocking decision though not to settle the Salah contract very soon so it doesn't become a distraction further into the season. Would be MAD to not offer him a new deal.

It's not as simply as many LFC fans believe.

Unlike at Manchester United, Liverpool holds to a wage structure. And by giving in to Salah by "paying him whatever it takes", both Van Dijk and TAA will be expecting pay rises as well, given they, too, are amongst the best at their positions Europe. Konate, who's been immense this season, has, I believe, 18 months left on his contract. Now, he won't demand the salary of a Van Dijk, but he'll certainly ask for one closer to him. You can then start seeing the snowball effect where players who were paid at one tier are now being pushed to the next. That's not the FSG way of doing things...

Also note the largest expense at Liverpool, according to its financials, are wages.

Let Van Dijk and Trent walk. Salah is by far the most important player in the team. You can break the structure for the best player in world football.


Disagree one thousand percent.

Dijk is on another level of papering over the cracks. Imperious force both in the air, on the ground and faultless in buildup. You can find another speed winger that runs at defenders and scores on the counter or a cross spamming fullback, but as soon as Liverpool lose Van Dijk they'll face a momentus drop.

You cannot replace him.
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Re: Official Liverpool FC Thread II 

Post#467 » by danfantastk32 » Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:47 pm

MetalFingaz wrote:If not for Courtois we might have won 6-0.

Yeah, that guy is a pretty amazing goalie.
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Post#468 » by danfantastk32 » Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:17 pm

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MetalFingaz wrote:Let Van Dijk and Trent walk. Salah is by far the most important player in the team. You can break the structure for the best player in world football.


Disagree one thousand percent.

Dijk is on another level of papering over the cracks. Imperious force both in the air, on the ground and faultless in buildup. You can find another speed winger that runs at defenders and scores on the counter or a cross spamming fullback, but as soon as Liverpool lose Van Dijk they'll face a momentus drop.

You cannot replace him.


I think both are equally important...one on offense, and the other on defense. I prob would have kept Mane over Salah, as I just liked his "team ball" much, much more. But It's hard to deny that Salah is the better scorer. I think Salah can prob be replaced easier...but would it just be the same pay rate? And you look to guys around him: Nunez pales in comparison. I think Jota coulda been a special striker....but injuries have, and prob will continue to destroy what could have been. Salah has really remained injury free (except when he had his arm broken by an absolute dirty play) for the most part....something of extreme value in itself. I dunno...it's a hard choice.

My biggest concern here is that VVD will be 34, and Salah 33 come next season. I'm fully aware that this ain't the 90's anymore...or even the early 2000's, These guys take much better care of themselves. But even so....once that incredible pace starts to wane, you become a liability quickly. I just don't know how long these guys are asking for....and for what price. I can understand the team balking at a 3-year deal. But if you think you could still get a couple seasons at 100% to 90%....how horrible would that 3rd year really be? And even if it was pretty bad.....did the other 2 make up for it?

But for stupid effin Man$hitty, this team really aughta have about 3 titles. Maybe even more. And we are certainly in the hunt this year. Seems really, really, REALLY stupid to watch that all fall apart (given the 30-35 year hole before this) over "pay structure principles". I'd also argue that destroying this squad over $$$ will haunt this squad for years, and really hinder their ability to sign top talent. If I'm Diaz (for instance)....what's gotta be on my mind now? Suddenly I'm looking elsewhere.

So yes...the ages of these 2 are definitely a concern....but I think you have to pay these guys. And yes, this will affect what guys like Diaz and Konate will expect when they are due.......but welcome to sports....what else can I say? You bought one of the most storied franchises in the biggest sport in the world. At an age where mega-billionaires buy and lavish over them, no less. So I sorta figured you knew what you were in for here.
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Post#469 » by MetalFingaz » Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:14 pm

stormi wrote:
MetalFingaz wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:It's not as simply as many LFC fans believe.

Unlike at Manchester United, Liverpool holds to a wage structure. And by giving in to Salah by "paying him whatever it takes", both Van Dijk and TAA will be expecting pay rises as well, given they, too, are amongst the best at their positions Europe. Konate, who's been immense this season, has, I believe, 18 months left on his contract. Now, he won't demand the salary of a Van Dijk, but he'll certainly ask for one closer to him. You can then start seeing the snowball effect where players who were paid at one tier are now being pushed to the next. That's not the FSG way of doing things...

Also note the largest expense at Liverpool, according to its financials, are wages.

Let Van Dijk and Trent walk. Salah is by far the most important player in the team. You can break the structure for the best player in world football.


Disagree one thousand percent.

Dijk is on another level of papering over the cracks. Imperious force both in the air, on the ground and faultless in buildup. You can find another speed winger that runs at defenders and scores on the counter or a cross spamming fullback, but as soon as Liverpool lose Van Dijk they'll face a momentus drop.

You cannot replace him.

I think both are pretty irreplaceable, but if finding a winger of Salah's quality was simple your post history related to Chelsea's winger purchases would be different.
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Post#470 » by stormi » Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:38 pm

MetalFingaz wrote:
stormi wrote:
MetalFingaz wrote:Let Van Dijk and Trent walk. Salah is by far the most important player in the team. You can break the structure for the best player in world football.


Disagree one thousand percent.

Dijk is on another level of papering over the cracks. Imperious force both in the air, on the ground and faultless in buildup. You can find another speed winger that runs at defenders and scores on the counter or a cross spamming fullback, but as soon as Liverpool lose Van Dijk they'll face a momentus drop.

You cannot replace him.

I think both are pretty irreplaceable, but if finding a winger of Salah's quality was simple your post history related to Chelsea's winger purchases would be different.


Salah is garbage and the seasons that Liverpool have won anything of meaning he wasn't even the best winger on his team let alone ever sniffing Dijk/Alisson territory.

Also don't make me pull up second half Salah numbers. Celebrates Christmas and then reverts back to his typical level without the G/A statpadding.

Nothing special.
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Post#471 » by Baseline81 » Sat Nov 30, 2024 2:04 pm

stormi wrote:Salah is garbage and the seasons that Liverpool have won anything of meaning he wasn't even the best winger on his team let alone ever sniffing Dijk/Alisson territory.

Also don't make me pull up second half Salah numbers. Celebrates Christmas and then reverts back to his typical level without the G/A statpadding.

Nothing special.

Coming from you, stormi, that's quite comical.

All-time PL goals
1. Shearer: 260 (441 appearances)
2. Kane: 213 (320)
3. Rooney: 208 (491)
4. Cole: 187 (414)
5. Aguero: 184 (275)
6. Lampard 177 (609)
7. Henry: 175 (258)
8. Salah: 167 (275)

Only Kane, Aguero and Henry have a better goal-to-appearance ratio.

I will, however, agree that for the majority of his Liverpool career, Salah's goals tend to dry up in the second half of seasons.
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Post#472 » by stormi » Sat Nov 30, 2024 2:30 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
stormi wrote:Salah is garbage and the seasons that Liverpool have won anything of meaning he wasn't even the best winger on his team let alone ever sniffing Dijk/Alisson territory.

Also don't make me pull up second half Salah numbers. Celebrates Christmas and then reverts back to his typical level without the G/A statpadding.

Nothing special.

Coming from you, stormi, that's quite comical.

All-time PL goals
1. Shearer: 260 (441 appearances)
2. Kane: 213 (320)
3. Rooney: 208 (491)
4. Cole: 187 (414)
5. Aguero: 184 (275)
6. Lampard 177 (609)
7. Henry: 175 (258)
8. Salah: 167 (275)

Only Kane, Aguero and Henry have a better goal-to-appearance ratio.

I will, however, agree that for the majority of his Liverpool career, Salah's goals tend to dry up in the second half of seasons.


You have to applaud Mo's sheer season by season consistency, his physical ability / power / directness and ability to rack up relentless G/A .

I just feel like the discussion around his G/A, how he accumulates that G/A and what it represents in terms of all time discussion is totally flawed.

I don't mind that being a controversial take though. He has everything lined up to lead Liverpool to a historic season both domestically and in the UCL.

I love the composition of their team, besides Robertson at LB and Slot is an elite coach.
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Post#473 » by wco81 » Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:13 pm

Impressive thing about Liverpool's start is only 8 goals allowed in 12 matches.

Every other club has allowed at least 13.
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Post#474 » by danfantastk32 » Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:27 pm

"Salah is garbage".....

Dude must live on planet Nike
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Post#475 » by Shaazzam » Tue Dec 3, 2024 5:59 pm

Salah is amazing. Of the list of guys I would put on my team from teams I hate he's near the top of the list. **** terrifies me whenever he has the ball. And he loves to score against the Devils. Bastard.
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Post#476 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Dec 4, 2024 5:32 am

Shaazzam wrote:Salah is amazing. Of the list of guys I would put on my team from teams I hate he's near the top of the list. **** terrifies me whenever he has the ball. And he loves to score against the Devils. Bastard.


If we're confessing sins....one of my fave players of all time, would be Scholes. I know he has tons of accolades, and winning something like 11 titles defacto makes him one the greatest to ever play....but even still he's horribly underrated imo. Was always weird watching Manure and hoping some freak lightning storm would erupt.....but at the same time completely admiring Scholes' game. Messed with my head. Giggsy was pretty damn good too. I dunno...there were some legends on that squad. Hated them, but had to kind of admire them at the same time. 11-titles don't lie.

Those Manure/Arse games back in the early 2000's were unreal. Honored to have been able to watch those. There was a British pub called the Fox and the Hound out here in the Los Angeles area back then, that was owned by a guy Gary, who played division 2 soccer in England at one point (something like that). He would shut the blinds, and set up a big projector screen for the big games. Sound played throughout the speaker system....it was great. Was a good 120 inch screen....great place to watch. The place would cram in like 100+ people for a good Arse/Man-U game.

I remember going there to watch the famous Istanbul Liverpool / AC Milan CL final. Was crammed to the gills with Liverpool fans singing. There was this little contingent of Milan fans up front...prob about 8 of them. The other 100 people were all Liverpool fans. Guys were hanging Liverpool tapestries all over.....songs were erupting throughout the game. That 2nd half was the stuff of legend. Other than the stadium.....there's no place I'd rather have been. Went and got the Liverpool crest tattooed on my back afterwards (beer and victory doing it's thing!).

But yeah.....loved Scholes. Was one of my faves.
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Post#477 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:32 pm

And just like that.......

Shades of Klopp. I don't know man....we just can't step on their throat and keep it there. I don't get it.
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Post#478 » by wco81 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 12:05 am

Ah forgot that there were matches today.

So which players do Liverpool prioritize for new contracts?

Are there clubs who are ready to sign them in January if Liverpool doesn't?
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Post#479 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:10 pm

7 points clear with a game in hand.
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Post#480 » by danfantastk32 » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:59 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:7 points clear with a game in hand.


I thought we were gonna draw/lose today. Instead it was a smashing. Whole 2nd half of the season to go...and nobody looks great. I wanna have high hopes, but another couple draws, and we're right back with the pack. So I'm gonna remain convinced that stupid Man $hitty are gonna somehow pull this off. Our last 4 games.....it's gonna be tough. I wanna see us keep building our lead. give me 20 points, and maybe I'll relax! :wink:

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