Official Team USA Soccer Thread

Post #561 » by **fatlever** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:31 pm

no talk on the brian straus story from sporting news?

anyone want to guess on who the "anonymous sources" were? i think we can rule out dempsey, bradley and gomez since all three came out yesterday and blasted the "anonymous sources". doubtful it was the germans, since they are probably big JK fans and some of the comments were talking about resentment towards the germans.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #562 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:38 pm

The tactics/adjustments part doesn't surprise me one bit, JK has been known to not be an X's and O's guy so to speak. I think this is where an assistant who specializes in that area would be useful but Vasquez has never come across as that type. I can't really guess who would make those comments about the German-American players, guys like Jones and Boyd certainly don't come across as guys who don't care. Those comments were a bit troubling to say the least. If anything, sounds like a fringe player who is more on the outside looking in than being in the pool and is having sour grapes about it.

Post #563 » by **fatlever** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:20 pm

i was a bit shocked at some of the stories about how JK doesnt seemingly have an in game plan, doesnt tell the players what he wants and basically just says "lets go play hard" before the game. i mean, anyone who watched that honduras game could see the players seemed clueless and lacked leadership and organization.

but its good that people are getting upset. this is progress. its about time the media took more interest in the team, even if its bad press.

Point forward · Post #564 » by **Point forward** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:48 pm

fatlever wrote:i was a bit shocked at some of the stories about how JK doesnt seemingly have an in game plan, doesnt tell the players what he wants and basically just says "lets go play hard" before the game. i mean, anyone who watched that honduras game could see the players seemed clueless and lacked leadership and organization.

If that is true, there are obvious similarities to his failed Bayern stint. Klinsmann made Schweinsteiger and Ribery look like utter scrubs. Remember that 4-0 drubbing vs Barca? :-?

Post #565 » by **Slava** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:55 pm

I thought it was well established by now that Low was the brain behind Germany even during Klinsmann's time. He's expecting to change the way the US national team plays, which while noble and justified in a way is pretty risky when you consider the fact that failure is costly and the talent pool might never reach what he expects.

ItsDaBrush · Post #566 » by **ItsDaBrush** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:07 am

Changin the way the US plays seems like talk to me, goin senior team down they're all still playin the same way. Not good build up, leaky defense in the back, relyin on long balls bouncin the right way, etc., same thing, different day

J-Mezzy · Post #567 » by **J-Mezzy** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:16 am

You can't hire a coach to change the way a country plays. This is something that has to start from the lowest level possible and up from there. You pretty much have to affect every level of competion and that is hard to do considering that you have to get coaches to buy into this idea. You not only have to breed a new generation of players, but a new generation of coaches that buy into this plan.

I think it is a proccess that would take at the very least a decade and not something that the head coach of the national team can accomplish.

BUCKnation · Post #568 » by **BUCKnation** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:30 am

Not sure what to take from that mess but an important and needed win.

jerrod · Post #569 » by **jerrod** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:28 pm

Beasley!

and1GS · Post #570 » by **and1GS** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:53 pm

J-Mezzy wrote:You can't hire a coach to change the way a country plays. This is something that has to start from the lowest level possible and up from there. You pretty much have to affect every level of competion and that is hard to do considering that you have to get coaches to buy into this idea. You not only have to breed a new generation of players, but a new generation of coaches that buy into this plan.

I think it is a proccess that would take at the very least a decade and not something that the head coach of the national team can accomplish.

IIRC part of his job is reforming our youth system, so it is something he needs to do. Obviously it will take a decade at least but let's look at the facts. Ten years ago soccer was what club rugby and no-cut sports like cross country were for kids - what you play when you can't cut it at basketball, baseball or football. The talent level was much lower so you had nerds crushing it at a young age, true story.

Every year the talent level went up a ton and we're now at the point where we have a very deep and diverse talent pool for the sport as it is rapidly becoming one of the most popular sports for kids in America. I could honestly talk about this for hours as I grew up when the youth system was rapidly changing but here's the basic underlying thing I've noticed: We have a ton of talent being coached in totally different ways with no centralized way of getting 'noticed' and, overall, **** coaching strategy at the youth levels.

You'll win more games at the youth level playing kickball to your best/fastest players, but that encourages players to become more Josh Gatt than Clint Dempsey, which is the wrong way to go. I understand you're not attacking Jurgen, but what he's doing is the right way to go and any smart fan knew there would be a rough learning curve. It'll be worth it.

and1GS · Post #571 » by **and1GS** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:54 pm

BUCKnation wrote:Not sure what to take from that mess but an important and needed win.

'mess' is putting that lightly. I'm amazed they let them play.

MaliBrah · Post #572 » by **MaliBrah** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:32 pm

why didn't they just play the game in florida? lol

J-Mezzy · Post #573 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:33 pm

and1GS wrote:
J-Mezzy wrote:You can't hire a coach to change the way a country plays. This is something that has to start from the lowest level possible and up from there. You pretty much have to affect every level of competion and that is hard to do considering that you have to get coaches to buy into this idea. You not only have to breed a new generation of players, but a new generation of coaches that buy into this plan.

I think it is a proccess that would take at the very least a decade and not something that the head coach of the national team can accomplish.

IIRC part of his job is reforming our youth system, so it is something he needs to do. Obviously it will take a decade at least but let's look at the facts. Ten years ago soccer was what club rugby and no-cut sports like cross country were for kids - what you play when you can't cut it at basketball, baseball or football. The talent level was much lower so you had nerds crushing it at a young age, true story.

Every year the talent level went up a ton and we're now at the point where we have a very deep and diverse talent pool for the sport as it is rapidly becoming one of the most popular sports for kids in America. I could honestly talk about this for hours as I grew up when the youth system was rapidly changing but here's the basic underlying thing I've noticed: We have a ton of talent being coached in totally different ways with no centralized way of getting 'noticed' and, overall, **** coaching strategy at the youth levels.

You'll win more games at the youth level playing kickball to your best/fastest players, but that encourages players to become more Josh Gatt than Clint Dempsey, which is the wrong way to go. I understand you're not attacking Jurgen, but what he's doing is the right way to go and any smart fan knew there would be a rough learning curve. It'll be worth it.

Agree in many levels; however, I still don't think that is a job you task your NT head coach to do. Reforming the youth system and the entire style of soccer played in the country is a job that is very time consuming and meticulous. Klinsman can't worry about taking on such as huge task and still getting results with the NT, He currently doesn't have the talent to accomplish the goals and expectations that have been placed on him and he is either going to fail as a Head coach, a revolutionizer, or both.

I think you either hire him to be your coach or to revolutionize the youth system. I don't think he can do both. U.S NT teams expectations have been raised over the past 10 years and people expect results now.

jerrod · Post #574 » by **jerrod** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:47 pm

nmabdi28 wrote:why didn't they just play the game in florida? lol

altitude

J-Mezzy · Post #575 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:58 pm

jerrod wrote:
nmabdi28 wrote:why didn't they just play the game in florida? lol

altitude

Yes, Florida would be beneficial to the Central American teams since they have similar weather to Florida's. The gamesmanship in Concacaf is a little crazy for me. Honduras plays their games against the U.S in a dump at like 3 pm, Panama sends their fans to the hotel Canada was staying and they made nosise all night long preventing from sleeping, and the U.S played in a freaking snow storm.

Every country tries to use a little gamesmanship, but I think the stuff in Concacaf is a little extreme.

MaliBrah · Post #576 » by **MaliBrah** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:01 am

J-Mezzy wrote:
jerrod wrote:
nmabdi28 wrote:why didn't they just play the game in florida? lol

altitude

Yes, Florida would be beneficial to the Central American teams since they have similar weather to Florida's. The gamesmanship in Concacaf is a little crazy for me. Honduras plays their games against the U.S in a dump at like 3 pm, Panama sends their fans to the hotel Canada was staying and they made nosise all night long preventing from sleeping, and the U.S played in a freaking snow storm.

Every country tries to use a little gamesmanship, but I think the stuff in Concacaf is a little extreme.

Yeah way too extreme lmao

jerrod · Post #577 » by **jerrod** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:31 am

it's either adorably vicious or stupidly sophomoric.

BUCKnation · Post #578 » by **BUCKnation** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:56 am

Every game at Azteca is in terrible conditions if you are the opponent.

MaliBrah · Post #579 » by **MaliBrah** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:02 pm

FIFA denies costa rica's appeal of the match and denies request to replay the match.

Post #580 » by **fatlever** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:04 pm

keep the back 4 tonight the same to build chemistry? i think i would. keep beasley at left back and keep gomez on that side to track back and give him help. only changes i would make if i was JK would be edu for jones (out) and possibly EJ for zusi (just to get some fresher legs on the field early).