2013-14 German Bundesliga Thread: Bayern Champs Again

[Point forward]

Timo Hildebrand demonstrates that Schalke has a huge goalie problem

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1663rYJHRrk[/youtube]

[Batu7]

Leverkusen has signed Roberto Hilbert. Loved his energy and will when he was here, I hope he'll be able to contribute

[Foye]

Did he play well in Turkey?

[Batu7]

He played as an attacking right back. Was average in defense but his physical attributes really helped him. He also gave his all on the pitch which has made the fans like him. I gotta say though, I have no idea how he played as a right winger all those years in the Bundesliga. Most times the guy couldn't get past his defender and his crosses were below average for a winger.

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[Foye]

He played as an attacking right back. Was average in defense but his physical attributes really helped him. He also gave his all on the pitch which has made the fans like him. I gotta say though, I have no idea how he played as a right winger all those years in the Bundesliga. Most times the guy couldn't get past his defender and his crosses were below average for a winger.

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There you have the reason Stuttgart let him go for free.
He was dreadful the season before he went to you guys...and kicked out of national team well before that, too.

[Maex]

It is really a goo time for being a Bayern supporter. Listened this week to Dreesen and Bayern is really there to stay at the top for years to come.

They took the actuel Champions League winner, which just beat the arguably best team in the world 7:0 in two games, and are going to add two of the best talents in the world, Götze and Thiago, as well as one of the best coaches Pep, while losing Gomez in the process.

After they'll most likely sign Thiago next week the following players from their first squad will be 25 or below:

Boateng, Kirchhoff, Badstuber, Contento, Alaba, Martinez, Gustavo, Can, Höjbjerg, Götze, Kroos, Shaqiri, Weiser, Weiser, Müller, Weihrauch, Thiago.

This is already the team for the future. On the other hand only two players from the Bayern Squad are thirty or over thirty: Ribery (30) and Pizarro (34).

Besides the impressive and young squad it is especially the financial side of the club, which is the most bonus for Bayern. They might be the most stable clubs within the top clubs.

While Martinez was quite expensive (€40m) they are able to sign the three of Thiago, Götze and Kirchhoff for and combined amount of €55m, which is a steal, considering the transfers of Falcao (€60m), Neymar (€57m), Rodriguez (€45m), Fernandinho (€40m), Illarramendi (€39m), Isco (€30m).

Also the financial future looks very bright for Munich. While building the Allianz Arena the club bosses did some very conservative planing for the repayment of the loan. Originally builded by Bayern Munich and 1860 Munich the stadium costs was €340m, but 1860 sold their part to FC Bayern for €11m (they were in need for some cash injection). After several deal, especially with adidas and Telekom, which bough some parts of the clubs, and the success, which brought in more money than planned, Bayern Munich was able to pay part of the debts earlier as originally planed. It is expected that the whole debt for the stadium will be payed until 2018 (2020 if they extend the stadium).

What does that mean exactly? Bayern will be the first of the top clubs (Real, Barcelona, Manchester, Bayern, Chelsea) which will be completely debt free. In other words: Bayern Munich will be the only top club which actually can spend all the earnings (without taking external help into account).

At the moment they have a anual payment of approximately €30 Mios for debt and interest rates. Considering that Bayern has a Debt-to-equity ratio rate of 13%, e.g. clubs like Barcelona (54%) and Manchester United (32%) have to pay way more.

And all that, while having the cheapest ticket prices within top football.

Bayern fans have every reason to look excited into the future. Being at the top of the world at the moment and being highly competitive for years to come is super nice!

[Foye]

Dortmund looking slick already...pre-season match against Bursaspor and midway 2nd half they lead 4-0 with ease.

[J-Mezzy]

Dortmund and Porto have become the best teams at reloading quickly. I love all the moves they made this off season. I don't expect to be much of a drop off from losing Gotze.

[Foye]

I think they could use another fullback to back up Pisczeck as long as he is injured but that's about it.

Otherwise I don't see much of a weakness on this team.

[cgf]

Sounds like a job for the Dortmund Mule, KEVIN GROSSKREUTZ!!!

[Man of Steel]

It is really a goo time for being a Bayern supporter. Listened this week to Dreesen and Bayern is really there to stay at the top for years to come.

After they'll most likely sign Thiago next week the following players from their first squad will be 25 or below:

Boateng, Kirchhoff, Badstuber, Contento, Alaba, Martinez, Gustavo, Can, Höjbjerg, Götze, Kroos, Shaqiri, Weiser, Weiser, Müller, Weihrauch, Thiago.

Besides the impressive and young squad it is especially the financial side of the club, which is the most bonus for Bayern. They might be the most stable clubs within the top clubs.

While Martinez was quite expensive (€40m) they are able to sign the three of Thiago, Götze and Kirchhoff for and combined amount of €55m, which is a steal, considering the transfers of Falcao (€60m), Neymar (€57m), Rodriguez (€45m), Fernandinho (€40m), Illarramendi (€39m), Isco (€30m).

Gotze was 37M, no? and Isn't Thiago going for around 20-25M? Doesn't add up. Still good business for both transfers though. IMO Isco for 30 is better than Gotze for 37, and Carvajal for 7M was highway robbery. Illarramendi for 32M plus vat makes it all moot though.

[Maex]

It is really a goo time for being a Bayern supporter. Listened this week to Dreesen and Bayern is really there to stay at the top for years to come.

After they'll most likely sign Thiago next week the following players from their first squad will be 25 or below:

Boateng, Kirchhoff, Badstuber, Contento, Alaba, Martinez, Gustavo, Can, Höjbjerg, Götze, Kroos, Shaqiri, Weiser, Weiser, Müller, Weihrauch, Thiago.

Besides the impressive and young squad it is especially the financial side of the club, which is the most bonus for Bayern. They might be the most stable clubs within the top clubs.

While Martinez was quite expensive (€40m) they are able to sign the three of Thiago, Götze and Kirchhoff for and combined amount of €55m, which is a steal, considering the transfers of Falcao (€60m), Neymar (€57m), Rodriguez (€45m), Fernandinho (€40m), Illarramendi (€39m), Isco (€30m).

Gotze was 37M, no? and Isn't Thiago going for around 20-25M? Doesn't add up. Still good business for both transfers though. IMO Isco for 30 is better than Gotze for 37, and Carvajal for 7M was highway robbery. Illarramendi for 32M plus vat makes it all moot though.

Thiago's release clause is €18m. The 20-22m which are in some of the media news are including taxes as well. I do think that Götze might be e better deal, considering that he is much more proven at a high level and both have the same age.

[cgf]

Yeah, I love Isco, but for a difference under 10 mil there's no way I'm taking him over Gotze if I have the money to afford it, and there isn't a club in the world on stronger financial ground than Bayern, which is an advantage that'll only grow in the coming years as they pay of the last of their stadium debts and the BuLi gets much better foreign tv deals.

[J-Mezzy]

I love German talent as much as any non German on this forum. Love Muller, Gundogan, Reus, Ozil, Hummels, Kross, Shweni, Neuer,even Draxleretc, but I am not really that sold on Gotze for some reason. I know that I am wrong, but I don't see him dominate the games the way some of the other German stars do.

[Foye]

I love German talent as much as any non German on this forum. Love Muller, Gundogan, Reus, Ozil, Hummels, Kross, Shweni, Neuer,even Draxleretc, but I am not really that sold on Gotze for some reason. I know that I am wrong, but I don't see him dominate the games the way some of the other German stars do.

You are not only wrong, you are dreadfully wrong on this one.

What you forget is that he is still only 21. Müller, Reus, Özil, Kroos and Hummels are all two years or more ahead in their development. It wasn't until this year either that Gündogan made a big step towards becoming a really good player.

Götze has been rocking the Bundesliga since he is 18 years old and has decided more games against Bayern Munich already than probably anybody in the last decade did.

He needs to get a little more composed in front of the goal at times but I have no doubt that he will do so within next few years.

My only concern with him is whether his body allows him to ever really reach his full potential. 11/12 missed more than 3 months of the season and now he is injured for almost three months again.

[cgf]

Gotze's quickness and dribbling are insane, like Iniesta-level, already and he is a very smart player and a gifted passer, but I would agree that his finishing still can improve and I do rate Reus, Ozil and Ilkay above him still with Gotze/Mueller/Kroos a real toss up depending on what you need, but the kid is a stud and can be really special.

[Man of Steel]

Thiago's release clause is €18m. The 20-22m which are in some of the media news are including taxes as well. I do think that Götze might be e better deal, considering that he is much more proven at a high level and both have the same age.

I personally think Isco is better on the ball, while Gotze is better off it. Isco is definitely more creative, and has a better strike on goal, whereas Gotze is a better athlete. As for high level, Gotze may be capped for the German NT whereas Isco will take time to do so for Spain, but in CL I don't think it's such a difference. Gotze had a better team to work with and yet Dortmund barely scraped past Malaga. Both are good at seeing the through ball. Isco has an inhuman way of coming out of a swarm of defenders with possession of the football (like what he's doing in my avatar), which he's shown several times. He was a demon in the fixtures Madrid had against Malaga this season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT-1zEhMLZg

I can't believe Thiago's release clause is that low. No wonder Madrid bid for him
Yeah Bayern are easily favourites to win the UCL the most in the next decade, but I think if they could have kept Heynckes in the dugout a while longer it would have seen some additions to their trophy room. Pep's a great manager (albeit unorthodox one) but what he did with Barcelona was the result of decades of work coming to fruition, coupled with a world beater coming out of the youth system.

Amazing that they managed all this with the financial stability you're describing though.

[ATL Boy]

Borussia really re-loaded. I'm hoping they can at least give Bayern some competition this year

GO DORTMUND!!

[J-Mezzy]

Borussia really re-loaded. I'm hoping they can at least give Bayern some competition this year

GO DORTMUND!!

Dortmund would contend for any other league, but it will be hard to keep up with Bayern if Bayern plays like they did last year. Unless the team has a tough time adjusting to Pep, I don't see them dropping many points.

[Foye]

Thiago's release clause is €18m. The 20-22m which are in some of the media news are including taxes as well. I do think that Götze might be e better deal, considering that he is much more proven at a high level and both have the same age.

I personally think Isco is better on the ball, while Gotze is better off it. Isco is definitely more creative, and has a better strike on goal, whereas Gotze is a better athlete. As for high level, Gotze may be capped for the German NT whereas Isco will take time to do so for Spain, but in CL I don't think it's such a difference. Gotze had a better team to work with and yet Dortmund barely scraped past Malaga. Both are good at seeing the through ball. Isco has an inhuman way of coming out of a swarm of defenders with possession of the football (like what he's doing in my avatar), which he's shown several times. He was a demon in the fixtures Madrid had against Malaga this season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT-1zEhMLZg

I can't believe Thiago's release clause is that low. No wonder Madrid bid for him
Yeah Bayern are easily favourites to win the UCL the most in the next decade, but I think if they could have kept Heynckes in the dugout a while longer it would have seen some additions to their trophy room. Pep's a great manager (albeit unorthodox one) but what he did with Barcelona was the result of decades of work coming to fruition, coupled with a world beater coming out of the youth system.

Amazing that they managed all this with the financial stability you're describing though.

I think Thiago's release clause was at 90 mil. €. However, he had a clause that it lowers to 18 mil. € if he doesn't make a certain amount of games which is what happened last season.

Personally, I don't know who will be the better player between Götze and Isco. I guess it's kinda irrelevant anyway. Both are top quality talents and you have to congratulate Bayern and Real for signing them.

Also I thought Dortmund has done a pretty good job of containing Isco.

Here is Mario Götze highlight video against Malaga:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZoMUb9cgfA[/youtube]