2015-16 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread

[Foye]

Kerem Demirbay.

No.

You dont get called the next Zidane for nothing. He will fulfil his potential soon.

Next Zidane goes to 2nd league on loan.

[Baphomet]

Bruno Cheyrou was once called the next Zidane.

Then he ended up playing in Cyprus.

[Det the Threat]

Seems like Tuchel has already detected Schmelzer being terrible and now wants Joo-Ho Park.

I hope we dont sell him.

If Wolfsburg really lose de Bruyne to City they should immediately reinvest part of that money in Tielemans and Praet.

Well, seems like Praet could be really close to joining them.
They're also talking to Bayern about Dante, who Leverkusen(and certainly Gladbach) didn't keep on their list thanks to his salary demands.
And Junuzaj's been linked to them as well but I doubt van Gaal will sell/loan him given that they lost out on Pedro.

Bruno Cheyrou was once called the next Zidane.

Then he ended up playing in Cyprus.

Yeah, but besides No_20 and Hamburger Morgenpost no one in Germany has ever called him the German Zidane.

Though, maybe they misspelled and actually meant Zidan, as in Mohamed Zidan, the former Mainz and Dortmund striker.
But that wouldn't make sense position wise.

[Foye]

I still have no clue where Preetz expects the goals to come from, but Stocker, Darida and Stark are all guys I really like. I still think Weiser should be developed as a RB, but that Hertha midfield should be pretty solid even if he has to play on the RW for them. If things had worked out with Mukhtar that midfield could be very interesting, as I do feel like they really lack a brilliant creative prospect/young-player a la Meyer, Malli/Pflucke, Stendera, Oztunali, Hazard. But the squad should have the talent to stay comfortably clear of the relegation zone if they are fit and injuries do not kill them.

Hertha should go for Kuba. Their wingers are weak. Not a fan of anyone of Ben-Hatira, Haraguchi or Beerens. Weiser is probably better suited as a RB, too.
Stocker, Darida, Kuba, Stark, Cigerci and Skjelbred would be a pretty good midfield rotation for a Bundesliga squad.
If Kalou finally gets his act together and manages to score in double digits Hertha could be in for a relegation trouble-less season in single digits.

[Det the Threat]

According to Sport Bild(yeah ) Gladbach sporting director Max Eberl indeed things about signing Dante to strengthen the CB position.
Not sure about that, but given that Stranzl hasn't played a game in about five months and with no one knowing when Dominguez will be back, it might be a solid idea to try and get him.
All that, of course, only if Bayern's OK with it and Dante agrees to a salary cut.

BTW: The Bayern team photo.
Seems like some good ol rookie hazing with Kimmich wearing a hat.

[cgf]

People realize that Jupp's treble winning bayern kept possession justas much as Pep's bayern, right? And that this is the style the legends of the golden era played for them when they won the european cup on back-to-back-to-back occassions?

Any way Mainz not underserved leaders at half time, but Gladbach have been growing into the match since that rough opening 10-15 minutes.

EDIT: Hazard has to score there. Beautiful pass from Xhaka.

It's not about keeping possession, it's the difference between the playstyle once they already have the ball.
Jupp's Bayern played LINEAR football with straight forward passes in HIGH TEMPO.

This Bayern is more similar to Pep's Barcelona with short passing trying to slowly carve up the defence a'la tiki-taka.

I mean you guys can't be serious if you're saying Jupp's and Pep's Bayern playstyles are similar.


/e - Don't get me wrong, this Bayern is still very very good, but a lot less efficient in its whole and not because of personnel, but because of their approach.

Sometimes. More often than not Jupp's bayern were just as horizontal and toothless, especially before Gomez got swapped for Mandzukic. They certainly did play more directly more often, but there has been a lot of mythologizing of that squad based off of the CL run in Jupp's third season.

Seems like Tuchel has already detected Schmelzer being terrible and now wants Joo-Ho Park.

I hope we dont sell him.

If Wolfsburg really lose de Bruyne to City they should immediately reinvest part of that money in Tielemans and Praet.

Dunno if you've watched them yet, but Schmelzer has looked like an entirely different player this season. If this holds up he's actually good now.

[Foye]

People realize that Jupp's treble winning bayern kept possession justas much as Pep's bayern, right? And that this is the style the legends of the golden era played for them when they won the european cup on back-to-back-to-back occassions?

Any way Mainz not underserved leaders at half time, but Gladbach have been growing into the match since that rough opening 10-15 minutes.

EDIT: Hazard has to score there. Beautiful pass from Xhaka.

It's not about keeping possession, it's the difference between the playstyle once they already have the ball.
Jupp's Bayern played LINEAR football with straight forward passes in HIGH TEMPO.

This Bayern is more similar to Pep's Barcelona with short passing trying to slowly carve up the defence a'la tiki-taka.

I mean you guys can't be serious if you're saying Jupp's and Pep's Bayern playstyles are similar.


/e - Don't get me wrong, this Bayern is still very very good, but a lot less efficient in its whole and not because of personnel, but because of their approach.

Sometimes. More often than not Jupp's bayern were just as horizontal and toothless, especially before Gomez got swapped for Mandzukic. They certainly did play more directly more often, but there has been a lot of mythologizing of that squad based off of the CL run in Jupp's third season.

Seems like Tuchel has already detected Schmelzer being terrible and now wants Joo-Ho Park.

I hope we dont sell him.

If Wolfsburg really lose de Bruyne to City they should immediately reinvest part of that money in Tielemans and Praet.

Dunno if you've watched them yet, but Schmelzer has looked like an entirely different player this season. If this holds up he's actually good now.

He has played better yeah. He's still a scrub, though.

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[Foye]

According to Sport Bild(yeah ) Gladbach sporting director Max Eberl indeed things about signing Dante to strengthen the CB position.
Not sure about that, but given that Stranzl hasn't played a game in about five months and with no one knowing when Dominguez will be back, it might be a solid idea to try and get him.
All that, of course, only if Bayern's OK with it and Dante agrees to a salary cut.

BTW: The Bayern team photo.
Seems like some good ol rookie hazing with Kimmich wearing a hat.
[img]http://sportbild.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/fcbayernmuenchentraditionalbavariandresskitt_47324152_mbqf-1440507998-42320566/2,w=993,c=0.sport.jpg[/img]

Lets all take a minute to applaud Jan Kirchhoff. This is probably his most impressing performance at Bayern Munich.

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[Andi Obst]

I still have no clue where Preetz expects the goals to come from, but Stocker, Darida and Stark are all guys I really like. I still think Weiser should be developed as a RB, but that Hertha midfield should be pretty solid even if he has to play on the RW for them. If things had worked out with Mukhtar that midfield could be very interesting, as I do feel like they really lack a brilliant creative prospect/young-player a la Meyer, Malli/Pflucke, Stendera, Oztunali, Hazard. But the squad should have the talent to stay comfortably clear of the relegation zone if they are fit and injuries do not kill them.

Hertha should go for Kuba. Their wingers are weak. Not a fan of anyone of Ben-Hatira, Haraguchi or Beerens. Weiser is probably better suited as a RB, too.
Stocker, Darida, Kuba, Stark, Cigerci and Skjelbred would be a pretty good midfield rotation for a Bundesliga squad.
If Kalou finally gets his act together and manages to score in double digits Hertha could be in for a relegation trouble-less season in single digits.

I believe in Haraguchi. He was solid against Werder and he had many good games after Dardai took over. Beerens is okay, but he should really be a backup. Ben-Hatira sucks, what a waste of talent. Weiser won't (and shouldn't be) playing RB as long as Pekarik is around.

Kuba would still be a great player for us. We need help offensively because Kalou, even at his best, won't be able to do it all by himself.

[truth18]

Still making excuses for Pep, huh, CGF? When will you guys just admit he made team worse? You are wrong.

Lol@Ribery in that team photo. Dude is too badass to hold up a glass like an idiot.

[Det the Threat]

Lets all take a minute to applaud Jan Kirchhoff. This is probably his most impressing performance at Bayern Munich.

Nah. He also ran quite a few impressive laps at the Bayern training ground. :

BTW: Here's a list of the outfiters of the Bundesliga and what they're paying the respective clubs.

[Kaiser30]

It's not about keeping possession, it's the difference between the playstyle once they already have the ball.
Jupp's Bayern played LINEAR football with straight forward passes in HIGH TEMPO.

This Bayern is more similar to Pep's Barcelona with short passing trying to slowly carve up the defence a'la tiki-taka.

It's not like Bayern players resist to hit opponents on the counter and instead have to follow some Pep rules like at least playing 10 passes before trying to score.

Opponents are comfortable with parking the bus against Bayern, so there simply aren't that many counter attacking opportunities anymore. Look at HSV, they basically defended with a backline consisting of 6 men and even Schipplock got the start because of his work rate and not because he is that much of a threat to score a surprising goal. You need space in order to create goal scoring opportunities within a thin timeframe after gaining possession. Unfortunately, opponents refuse to give Bayern any space at all.
Bayern could obviously shoot much more but it's not only about the quantity of shots on goal, but also the quality of the opportunity. It's not wise at all to shoot despite being surrounded by 3 players while you could simply retain possession and try to create a better opportunity.

While Bayern was already highly respected before winning the title in 2012, teams are now more or less in fear of conceding several goals and have shifted their approach towards defending as much as possible. A player like Robben would absolutely LOVE to play with high speed because he excels at it. Douglas Costa has also proven to be extremely fast and difficult to guard one on one. Opponents also know this, so giving them as few opportunities to play fast as possible is a key part of their match plan.

And please look at the development of Dortmund since Tuchel has taken over. Klopp's approach massively failed last season because teams realized that they have huge difficulties to score against a set defense and are not that comfortable in playing several passes without losing the ball.
Tuchel did meet with Pep last year and is slowly going to turn Dortmund into a team which is much more comfortable in playing possession football and much less reliant on counter attacks.

Sometimes. More often than not Jupp's bayern were just as horizontal and toothless, especially before Gomez got swapped for Mandzukic. They certainly did play more directly more often, but there has been a lot of mythologizing of that squad based off of the CL run in Jupp's third season.

100%

They had an amazing run and it was a perfect finish for Jupp's career as well as the club after losing "Finale dahoam" one year before. Everyone expected that level of play to be sustainable and it simply wasn't IMO. The players were extremely determined to finally win this title. So it was a wise decision to shake some things up.
People are overly critical with Pep. Of course it is the ultimate goal to win another CL title. But it's not a shame to get out in a semi final. Pep has been extremely successful at Bayern so far, yet he doesn't get any credit because Bayern did win the CL in 2012. It's crazy because even his superior Barcelona team was not able to defend a CL title. You need a lot of luck to even win the title.

Lol@Ribery in that team photo. Dude is too badass to hold up a glass like an idiot.

Badass? Ribery is a muslim and very religious, so he doesn't drink alcohol and that's the only reason why he's not holding up a glass. This has been the case in Paulaner commercials for years now and if you take a closer look, Benatia doesn't have a glass either.

[truth18]

Lol, man, of course I know Ribery's faith, I'm trying to point out that the entire team looks like a bunch of tools other than him in that photo. Just an awful team photo.

[cgf]

Still making excuses for Pep, huh, CGF? When will you guys just admit he made team worse? You are wrong.

Lol@Ribery in that team photo. Dude is too badass to hold up a glass like an idiot.

It's less about making excuses for Pep as pointing how people have whitewashed Jupp's time in Bavaria. I love Jupp. He's not Netzer, but he was still one of the greatest legends of the golden era gladbach sides who got me into this sport; but Pep has done a massively superior job in his first two seasons in Munich. As Jupp successfully won **** all before that final treble season, and no that one DFB cup doesn't count while he was pissing the league away to BVB.

@foye
That's what I thought about Schmelzer, but if he's the player he has been so far under Tuchel from here on out, then he's no longer a scrub and would actually be a very good LB. His running has always been excellent but he's now smooth on the ball, his first touch is very clean, he understands where the ball should be going in possession, and his crossing has been deadly. It's only been a handful of games, but if it holds up Tuchel will have worked a minor miracle with Schmelzer...and our NT won't have to worry about the LB position again.

I believe in Haraguchi. He was solid against Werder and he had many good games after Dardai took over. Beerens is okay, but he should really be a backup. Ben-Hatira sucks, what a waste of talent. Weiser won't (and shouldn't be) playing RB as long as Pekarik is around.

Kuba would still be a great player for us. We need help offensively because Kalou, even at his best, won't be able to do it all by himself.

Yeah, the young japanese winger has looked promising, though I don't disagree with Foye that you'd benefit form having him be third choice to Stoker and someone else.

[Foye]

Lol, man, of course I know Ribery's faith, I'm trying to point out that the entire team looks like a bunch of tools other than him in that photo. Just an awful team photo.

Müller sure knows how to hold that beer right, though.

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[Foye]

Looks like Adrian Ramos might be on his way back to Hertha. Didn't think Dortmund would let him go. They need a backup for Auba.

[Det the Threat]

Looks like Adrian Ramos might be on his way back to Hertha. Didn't think Dortmund would let him go. They need a backup for Auba.

Well, weren't they interested in that Belgian kid(Olare) during the summer?

BTW: According to eiter rumors or "insiders" from Transfermarkt, Gladbach are interested in bringing back Dante(Bayern) and Neustädter(Schalke), while also having a shot at buying Embolo from Basel.
I like the swiss kid but I doubt we'll buy an 18 year old for at least €15M just before the end of the transfer window, especially after already signing Drmic for €10M and still working to even adopt him to our system.

[cgf]

Embolo would be a tremendous buy.

[Det the Threat]

Embolo would be a tremendous buy.

And sit on the bench/seats till at least mid October, given that Favre wouldn't trust him to know the system in less then six weeks.

[cgf]

That's fine. Many Gladbach fans were ready to run Granit out of town after his first full season. And Lacazette wouldn't have taken off for you like he did for Lyon last season, but you would certainly be in a much stronger position if you could've convinced him to make the move even without the CL to offer. Hazard didn't make an impact for a while either. Embolo would be a great buy for you, especially if a Leverkusen exit today leaves you with a larger share of the BuLi's CL money to give you more cash to play with on an addition like that.