Arda K wrote:Dirk Nowitzki wrote:The problem with Turkish football is that players only go there for the money. They go there to retire.
yeah you are talking out of yer ass. looking at the foreign players on big 3 teams..
muslera- signed age 25
sneijder - signed age 28
rodriguez- 21
denayer- 20
carole- 24
podolski-30
chedjou- 28
bruma-18
telles- 21
sosa-29
tosic-30
marcelo-28
quaresma-32
rhodolfo-29
gomez-30
beck-28
fernandao-28
markovic-21
diego-29
de souza-26
kjaer-26
meireles-29
ba-24
nani-28
kadlec-28
alves-30
emenike-24
by and large players signed at their prime age or when they are young, only player that was anywhere close to "retirement" is quaresma, and he was signed more or less to put butts on the seats since he is a fan favorite from previous stint. players like podolski and gomez are far cry from their overrated peaks but came off playing major roles in solid european teams.
problem is the management..owners meddling with the team on the field and impatient approach that makes continuity impossible to achieve. gala went head to head and was able to beat any team in europe whenever they had any kind of cohesion, evidenced by almost eliminating real if it wasnt for a botched penalty call few years ago.
I think you are really missing the point. Most of the players on that list were finished the moment they signed there. Maybe you should check the UEFA rankings. Podolski... just because he was bench warming at Arsenal, do you think that makes him a good player? His career at club level is bad, he was only good with Germany because he had a knack of scoring goals for them.
Do you really think the Nanis, the Meireles, etc... go to Turkey because they like the challenge of winning the Turkish title? They go there for the money. Their career goals are done at club level. Meireles was at Liverpool. Nani was at Manchester United. They are just collecting pay-checks until their retirement. That doesn't mean they will be bad professionals, but it just means that they will no longer have that hunger that they had when they were at Porto or Sporting... and dreamed about a move to one of the top leagues.
UEFA RANKINGS:
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2016.html
Turkey is 11th. Behind Portugal, Ukraine, Belgium, Russia, Netherlands. Russia by the way is another league that suffers from the same issue, players go there, collect pay-checks and don't care. You can even click back to previous years and Turkey were never in the top 10. Turkish clubs have more money than the Dutch, than the Portuguese...
How do you explain that... since that player list you posted is so good, so many good players? (I am being sarcastic - I want no part of most of the players on that list)
Fenerbahce just got knocked out by Braga... who must have what? 5 times more money than Braga. They pay Van Persie 5 million euros or more a year. Braga's highest salary must be around 300 or 400.000 euros/year tops! Braga's biggest transfer in was under 1 million euros. Their overall budget for the season is around 17 million euros. I wonder if that is enough to cover Van Persie, Nani and Diego's salaries.
Besiktas were shockingly bad against Sporting in the knockout rounds of the Europa League... and Sporting wasn't even invested in that competition. Even minor clubs in Turkey can afford some salaries that no one outside the top clubs in Portugal/Netherlands can...
You buy young players, with talent and potential. You give them a chance, a platform to show their skills and they will be hungry to further develop their career and move on to the bigger clubs in Europe. The bigger leagues. Some countries, just spend way too much money on fading players, on "names", players that have already peaked and that will no longer be as hungry as someone who is starting their journey.
The only team that had success was Shakhtar, but even they didn't have as much success as you would expect considering the money they invested and the talent they had available. But unlike that list you posted, they went for talented young players.
This is the thing, if you give all the money that Turkish clubs have had available, to some of these other clubs who focus more on developing talent and they'd be much more successful than what the Turkish clubs have been.
This discussion is in a lot of ways pointless. You don't even have to read what I write. Just do this: research about the budgets of Turkish clubs. Then compare them against the budgets of clubs from other 'minor' leagues. And then you look at the country rankings at UEFA. And you will see that Turkish teams have been wasting money.
The last time Turkey was in the top 8 of the Uefa rankings was in 2002. 14(!) years ago... I hope you know what these rankings mean, these rankings are based on the results of Turkish clubs in Europe in the last 5 years.
http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/
Just by looking at this, go back through the years and see the countries that have achieved more, with far less money than the Turkish clubs and I am sure you can find "great" lists of players that played in Turkey all those years. And that's the thing. You're looking at names. Not their mental context of their careers and performances. While other leagues are brewing future stars, Turkey is often paying off fading ones. It's not only Turkey.
I was only making a point that it must be really difficult to coach in Turkey because teams are not disciplined and lack motivation.
