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Post#1 » by Slava » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:33 pm

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     P    W    D    L    GD    PTS
Man Utd   29   17   9   3   33   60
Arsenal   28   17   6   5   30   57
Man City   29   15   8   6   20   53
Chelsea   28   15   6   7   27   51
Tottenham   28   13   9   6   7   48
Liverpool   29   12   6   11   3   42
Bolton   29   10   10   9   2   40
Sunderland   29   9   11   9   -2   38
Everton   29   8   13   8   0   37
Newcastle   29   9   9   11   3   36
Fulham   29   7   14   8   1   35
Stoke   29   10   4   15   -6   34
Aston Villa   29   8   9   12   -13   33
Blackburn   29   9   5   15   -12   32
Blackpool   29   9   5   15   -15   32
West Brom   29   8   8   13   -15   32
Birmingham   28   6   13   9   -12   31
West Ham   29   7   10   12   -13   31
Wolves   29   8   5   16   -15   29
Wigan   29   5   12   12   -23   27
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Post#2 » by J.Kim » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:50 pm

I'm still surprised that Sunderland is in the top half of the table.

But then again, they're separated from relegation by only 8 points.
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Post#3 » by MonkeyBallZJr » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:38 pm

Yep, I can't remember it being this tight especially in the bottom half of the table, usually there's one or two relegation teams that ends up with around 20 points. This year even the bottom two teams are already close to 30 points, gonna be a real dog fight this year.
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Post#4 » by BC_ » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:47 am

MitchellUK wrote:Colour me unimpressed. He's got the size and physical abilities, but he's just not that kind of player. Whether he's reigned in by the tactics or something, I don't know. But I know that if there was a 50-50 ball to be won, I'd take the likes of Essien, Fletcher, Mascherano, Gattuso to win it ahead of him every time.

Go back and get 1999 Patrick Vieira and put him on this Arsenal team, and they're winning trophies, not coming up short every year.

It's all just opinion but I get the feeling you've picked one of our best players and labled him the problem. For mine, there's no problem with any of our starting 11 (except perhaps Clichy) but a few of the backups aren't good enough. Squillaci and Miquel, Denilson, Rosicky, Arshavin. I bet if those guys were better we'd have lost less games this season.
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Post#5 » by MitchellUK » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:31 am

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MitchellUK wrote:Colour me unimpressed. He's got the size and physical abilities, but he's just not that kind of player. Whether he's reigned in by the tactics or something, I don't know. But I know that if there was a 50-50 ball to be won, I'd take the likes of Essien, Fletcher, Mascherano, Gattuso to win it ahead of him every time.

Go back and get 1999 Patrick Vieira and put him on this Arsenal team, and they're winning trophies, not coming up short every year.

It's all just opinion but I get the feeling you've picked one of our best players and labled him the problem. For mine, there's no problem with any of our starting 11 (except perhaps Clichy) but a few of the backups aren't good enough. Squillaci and Miquel, Denilson, Rosicky, Arshavin. I bet if those guys were better we'd have lost less games this season.


I'm not saying Song is the problem, I am saying he is not the solution. He's an excellent player, but he doesn't provide what I feel Arsenal's midfield needs, and that is some genuine steel. What Arsenal have is a squad full of technically gifted footballers. They all have great touch and technique. What the team needs is just an out-and-out bruiser in the middle of the pitch. A guy who is going to spend 90 minutes chasing down loose balls and winning 50-50 tackles, getting stuck in and protecting the rest of his midfield and the defense. Think of the Man Utd teams of the 1990s an early 2000s - they had guys like Giggs, Sharpe, Kanchelskis, and later Beckham and Scholes, to provide the passing, the creativity, and the attacking threat from deep. They complimented those players with the likes of Paul Ince, Roy Keane and Nicky Butt, men who made it their mission to cover all the grass between each 18-yard box, to make tackles and win the ball, to press the opponents and start the defending from high up the pitch.

Song, IMO, is somewhere in between those types of player. He's a jack-of-all-trades, master of none - he will mix it up, but not in the same way Darren Fletcher or Rino Gattuso will. He can also pick out a nice pass, but he's no Cesc Fabregas or Paul Scholes. There's no doubt he can do a great job for Arsenal, but he's not going to be the enforcer of that team. When teams like Blackburn and Bolton get physical with Arsenal, they don't have a player on the pitch to dish some of the same treatment back. There should still be a place for him in the team, but there needs to be some extra, serious muscle in there with him.
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Post#6 » by 5DOM » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:38 am

It's not just the midfield. They need more power at both ends of the field. Hoofball works and Arsenal should try it a little more.

I like Wilshere though. Looks like a complete package
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Post#7 » by BC_ » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:10 am

Oh I see. Well yes I agree with you, though I doubt Wenger does.
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Post#8 » by Baphomet » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:57 am

I can't believe I went so long on this site without even noticing that there was a soccer forum. Are there any other Spurs fans here? I see a whole lot of Arsenal fans but few Spurs fans. That's slightly disheartening, but I can live with it. :)

FA Cup fixtures today are pretty interesting. I'm rooting so hard for Reading to upset Man City as for some reason I hold City with the utmost contempt, but it's not really a probable outcome. Still, stranger things have happened. West Ham vs Stoke should be a wash, but an entertaining one at that. Stoke play such ugly football and yet for some reason I can't help but watch them, I guess I have a masochistic affinity for Rory Delap long throws.
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Post#9 » by treiz » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:23 pm

^Sorry mate, I think you're all alone in the Yid Army there. ;)

Many of us IMO are rooting for Reading, always nice to see underdogs do well. The West Ham/Stoke game should be pretty good, but it was only last week when West Ham beat them 3-0 in the EPL. Could play a huge role and West Ham are on fire since the signing of Ba and Hitzslesperger (sp?) return from injury.
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Post#10 » by Baphomet » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:21 pm

Hey, I don't have a problem with representing Spurs on my own. Somebody has to. :lol:

So it's 20 minutes played and 1-0 Stoke in the West Ham game. Lo-and-behold, a Robert Huth header set up by a Rory Delap long throw, I totally called it. Is he the best at the long throw in EPL history? I've never seen anything like it.
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Post#11 » by treiz » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:47 pm

DeltronZero wrote:Hey, I don't have a problem with representing Spurs on my own. Somebody has to. :lol:

So it's 20 minutes played and 1-0 Stoke in the West Ham game. Lo-and-behold, a Robert Huth header set up by a Rory Delap long throw, I totally called it. Is he the best at the long throw in EPL history? I've never seen anything like it.


Didn't really need to call it, it's always been a part of their gameplan that whenever they get a throw in, you know what's going to happen. Every team that they face are always wary of giving away throw ins.

He probably is, maybe in the history of football he's the best ever, he did use to be a javelin thrower.
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Post#12 » by 5DOM » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:54 pm

Bolton - Stoke game sounds more fun than the Manchester derby lol.
Anyway I think this pretty much confirms that Liverpool won't participate in the Europa league next year (unless they win the Fair play award by not even fouling for remaining games)
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Post#13 » by MitchellUK » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:42 pm

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DeltronZero wrote:Hey, I don't have a problem with representing Spurs on my own. Somebody has to. :lol:

So it's 20 minutes played and 1-0 Stoke in the West Ham game. Lo-and-behold, a Robert Huth header set up by a Rory Delap long throw, I totally called it. Is he the best at the long throw in EPL history? I've never seen anything like it.


Didn't really need to call it, it's always been a part of their gameplan that whenever they get a throw in, you know what's going to happen. Every team that they face are always wary of giving away throw ins.

He probably is, maybe in the history of football he's the best ever, he did use to be a javelin thrower.


Look up Andy Legg, used to play for Notts County, Swansea, Cardiff. He's semi-retired now, playing non-league football (must be well into his 40s) but he had a ridiculous long throw. I think he held an official world record at one point. Basically if his team got a throw-in more than 10 yards into their opponent's half, he could land it in the penalty area.

The biggest thing with Delap's throw isn't necessarily the distance, it's the flatness and speed at which he throws it. It doesn't loop like many long throws, it's almost like a driven cross.
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Post#14 » by treiz » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:26 am

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treiz wrote:
DeltronZero wrote:Hey, I don't have a problem with representing Spurs on my own. Somebody has to. :lol:

So it's 20 minutes played and 1-0 Stoke in the West Ham game. Lo-and-behold, a Robert Huth header set up by a Rory Delap long throw, I totally called it. Is he the best at the long throw in EPL history? I've never seen anything like it.


Didn't really need to call it, it's always been a part of their gameplan that whenever they get a throw in, you know what's going to happen. Every team that they face are always wary of giving away throw ins.

He probably is, maybe in the history of football he's the best ever, he did use to be a javelin thrower.


Look up Andy Legg, used to play for Notts County, Swansea, Cardiff. He's semi-retired now, playing non-league football (must be well into his 40s) but he had a ridiculous long throw. I think he held an official world record at one point. Basically if his team got a throw-in more than 10 yards into their opponent's half, he could land it in the penalty area.

The biggest thing with Delap's throw isn't necessarily the distance, it's the flatness and speed at which he throws it. It doesn't loop like many long throws, it's almost like a driven cross.


Trying to but it's quite hard to find videos of him throwing. But yeah, agree about Delap's throw, a looping cross is definitely more easier to deal with than a driven one.

And Citeh-United for the FA Cup Semis, might book a ticket for fun.
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Post#15 » by Slava » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:07 am

Apparently Rodwell is lined up for a transfer to United in the summer. Everton badly need the cash it seems.
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Post#16 » by Baphomet » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:08 am

It helps that Stoke have quite a bit of height to convert from those Delap throws. Kenwyne Jones is a big lad and so is Huth, he's pretty dangerous when he bombs up from defence. It's bound to give any defence a problem.
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Post#17 » by BC_ » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:24 am

I despise Stoke almost as much as I despise Tottnumb :D
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Post#18 » by Baphomet » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:00 pm

Spurs I can get, what with the rivalry and all, but what did Stoke ever do. :lol:

City vs United FA cup semi-final is a huge fixture but I can't see the game living up to its billing for whatever reason. It might be a little strange but I'm looking forward to Stoke vs Bolton moreso. The games played out 2-0 Stoke and 2-1 Bolton this season so far but they were both decent encounters, they didn't feature any finishes akin to Rooney's overhead kick but they were solid, gung-ho football matches.
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Post#19 » by 5DOM » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:26 pm

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... court.html

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Post#20 » by kromoszoma » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:44 pm

DeltronZero wrote:Spurs I can get, what with the rivalry and all, but what did Stoke ever do. :lol:


They play dirty, dangerous, **** football. If you can call it that, their offense is based on throw ins, after all. And the way they tried to portray Shaecross as a victim after he shattered Ramsey's leg was disgusting. Tony Pulis is one of the biggest twats in English football, and that's saying something.

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