G.O.A.T

EArl · Post #1 » by **EArl** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:04 pm

I have not seen this thread on the forum.
So let the arguing begin.

My top choices in no particular order i'm not sure which one I would put as the undisputed GOAT.

Ronaldo(Brazil)
ZIdane
Maradona
Beckenbauer
Zico
Gerd Muller
Platini
Raul
Messi (i think he belongs in the conversation now)
Pele can be in the conversation, but I really don't think he is the GOAT by any means.

I have put in Messi to see how he compares. Maybe we should have a top 100 player of all time. Ill think about making it later. Thoughts?
Also you cant change your vote once you post it.

IronChef · Post #2 » by **IronChef** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:26 pm

No Cruyff or Best, but Raul and Muller?

J-Mezzy · Post #3 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:32 pm

I have no problem with Muller being on his list, Raul on the other hand should not be in there

Post #4 » by **Slava** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:59 pm

Pele's longevity has to count right? The fact that he won world cups like more than a decade apart as the star player on his team in a very primitive era for nutrition and sports science is quite impressive.

Post #5 » by **Next Coming** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:46 pm

List needs more Cruyff.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1k7DGqRF5g[/youtube]

Man of Steel · Post #6 » by **Man of Steel** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:43 am

For me, Zidane hands down. Surprised to see no Ronaldinho, he was the first player on Barcelona for which I really envied them.

If you could pick a certain season for a particular player, I'm sure Henry for Arsenal and CR7 for ManU would get mentions among the more recent years, even if they aren't anywhere near the top of the list.

EArl · Post #7 » by **EArl** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:16 am

Ronaldinho has been a great player in every aspect but international. The year that he was the man on his team they failed to get into the semifinals. I still believe that to be considered the GOAT you have to win when it counts. I do understand if your team sucks than its not your fault, but Brazil does not usually have that problem.

_SRV_ · Post #8 » by **_SRV_** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:16 am

Zidanne is a highly overrated player, he's great, like Cruyf, laudrop, and this league, but he's not on Maradona or Pele level.
people use 98 WC as an example, but forget that until the final game he was more of a detriment to the team than helpful. People remember his goal on Leverkusen in the CL final but forget what underacheiver Real team was.
Raul really has no place here.
Ronaldo had too short of a career as to player.

It's either Maradona or Pele, and I'm leaning toward the junky. .essi will be there if hecontinues at this level on with Batcelona.

Mirjalovic · Post #9 » by **Mirjalovic** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:07 am

Where is Silvio Piola, Ferenc Puskas or Di Stefano ? i know, there is no contest against Pele/Maradona, but they should've mentioned

EArl · Post #10 » by **EArl** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:56 am

I made a poll choose carefully. Once you vote you cant change it.

Batu7 · Post #11 » by **Batu7** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:45 pm

If we're not talking about peaks, unfortunately we have to rule out Ronaldo.

Post #12 » by **Slava** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:43 pm

There's also a goalie to consider, someone like Lev Yeshin.

huskerdu · Post #13 » by **huskerdu** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:37 pm

Messi
MessiMessiMessiMessiMessiMessi

Gregoire · Post #14 » by **Gregoire** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:57 am

Peaks:
Pele
Maradona
Ronaldo Fenomeno
Messi
Cruyff

cgf · Post #15 » by **cgf** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:33 pm

Pele
Diego
Beckenbauer
Cruyff
Puskaz

ardee · Post #16 » by **ardee** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:20 am

Don't see how this isn't Pele.

- Scoring a hat-trick in a WC semi final at the age of 17
- Dominating a ridiculously competitive Brazilian domestic league in the 60s year in and year out
- Complete player, can use his head and either feet, play as striker or no. 10, can even move back and become a playmaker if necessary
- Best player on 3 World Cup teams
- Best player on the GOAT team, 1970-73 Brazil
- Was pathbreaking in that he made football popular in the US
- 77 goals in 92 games for the national side

Pele is like Jordan in terms of impact/resume, don't see how you can make a case for anyone else. Maradona was probably equal or almost equal as a player, but in terms of longevity, how iconic he was, and how he transcended and impacted the game Pele is unmatchable.

Stat Padder · Post #17 » by **Stat Padder** » Sun Jan 6, 2013 3:14 pm

Pele is overrated like Wilt Chamberlain. Both were stat padders back in the day. Messi is the GOAT.

Mirjalovic · Post #18 » by **Mirjalovic** » Sun Jan 6, 2013 4:12 pm

Stats padding in football just harder than in basketball. You need serious skills

ardee · Post #19 » by **ardee** » Sun Jan 6, 2013 4:29 pm

Stat Padder wrote:Pele is overrated like Wilt Chamberlain. Both were stat padders back in the day. Messi is the GOAT.

Please tell me you forgot the green font.

Pele has a bigger gap over the rest of the football pantheon than Jordan does over the NBA pantheon.

Stat Padder · Post #20 » by **Stat Padder** » Sun Jan 6, 2013 7:38 pm

ardee wrote:
Stat Padder wrote:Pele is overrated like Wilt Chamberlain. Both were stat padders back in the day. Messi is the GOAT.

Please tell me you forgot the green font.

Pele has a bigger gap over the rest of the football pantheon than Jordan does over the NBA pantheon.

Could you explain why you think this please ?

Who is the greatest of all time? (in terms of overall career not peaks.)