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Does anyone know how good is Felipe Anderson ? Lazio hunting him.

A couple papers reporting Arsenal are close to signing Sebastian Rode from Frankfurt. Haven't seen him play?, is he good?

Well, I don't watch too many Eintracht games considering I hate the club but him and Jung are very talented.

Can't do much wrong if you buy him in the single digit mil. € range. Not sure if he'd make the Arsenal starting lineup right away, though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... rak-yilmaz

25+ million. He is all yours Slava.

The last thing United need is more strikers, although who knows who'll they'll sign, Fergie had no problem crowding out Tevez and Berbatov

Rooney/RVP/Hernandez have 51 goals between them, and Welbeck plays on the wing half the time (he's only getting better too)

Gotta give it to you Massimo, Yilmaz's goal in the first leg was pretty slick, had not watched him play before but he lived up to the billing

Massimo wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/feb/26/rumour-mill-manchester-united-burak-yilmaz

25+ million. He is all yours Slava.

Not better than Welbeck.

7 CL games, 7 goals Slava Relatively in a worse team than Welbeck's team.

Let Burak play with Rooney, RVP, Rafael, Nani, Valencia etc. He will score minimum 30 goals in a season.

Boognish wrote:Gotta give it to you Massimo, Yilmaz's goal in the first leg was pretty slick, had not watched him play before but he lived up to the billing

At least you're the honest one bro. Thank you.

People never watched him until Schalke's game and they were making fun of me. I don't know how many times I told them, just watch him a couple of games in order to judge him. I bet those who were making fun of me never or barely watched Yilmaz before Schalke's game.

I am not exaggreating things. Burak Yilmaz is a goal machine. Trust me, in Turkish league, the teams are doing defense with 11 players against us. There are so many really bad players who don't know how to play football. It is not an easy league to score. Guiza, Ailton, Carew, Almeida, Anelka etc. so many of top goal scorers in their previous leagues failed to score in this league in a bunch.

Burak Yilmaz - 19 matches 14 goals in league with 6 assists. 7 goals in 7 games in Champions League.
Last year, 30 matches 32 goals 9 assists in Turkish league.
Since a year and half, he played 56 matches in CL and Turkish league, scored 53 goals, 15 assists.
What else can a striker possibly do more?

If he was Brazilian or playing for Porto, his worth would be 40+ million euro.

Yilmaz is a good player. I don't think anyone ever argued otherwise. It was all just good fun to call him GOAT.

Massimo wrote:I am not exaggreating things. Burak Yilmaz is a goal machine. Trust me, in Turkish league, the teams are doing defense with 11 players against us. There are so many really bad players who don't know how to play football. It is not an easy league to score. Guiza, Ailton, Carew, Almeida, Anelka etc. so many of top goal scorers in their previous leagues failed to score in this league in a bunch.

Yes, you are exaggerating. Anelka had just one season in Turkey and the rest of the guys were never high profile strikers anyway.

I told you about Ailton already. The guy had fallen off at Schalke already...going from 28 goals, to 14 goals the next year and in the first half of the next season he managed only 3 goals in 13 games. At the time I was amazed that Besiktas paid more than 3 mil. € to get him.

Almeida, Carew, Guiza correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt any of these guys has ever scored 15 goals a season in a good European league. No wonder they didn't pan out in Turkey either.

Almeida only had one double digit scoring season in the Bundesliga. To call him a top goal scorer is an exaggeration alone.

I never said Yilmaz wasn't a good player anyway. All I pointed out is that he should step his a** in a good league and prove every day he can play with the best.

I admit Yilmaz is making me shut my mouth in this CL season so far but realistically I'll never consider him a great striker unless he does it in England, Spain, Italy, Germany or France.
Maybe Russia, too, as their league is getting more competitive each season.

Look at it this way. The Turkish national team is full of average (former) Bundesliga players.
How could I believe the Turkish league is any good when you nominate guys that don't even start (or play for relegation sides) for Bundesliga teams to your national team roster? Sararer, Torun or Ekici just to name a few. Or even Halil Altintop when he still was in the Bundesliga.
And not only do these guys get nominated, they actually play in world cup qualifier games.

Foye wrote:I admit Yilmaz is making me shut my mouth in this CL season so far but realistically I'll never consider him a great striker unless he does it in England, Spain, Italy, Germany or France.
Maybe Russia, too, as their league is getting more competitive each season.

I thought the fact that Eboue, who couldn't even get regular playing time for a "terrible Arsenal squad with no world class players (did I get that right?)," becoming a regular starter for the league champions in Turkey should have made it pretty obvious to him that the Turkish League wasn't equal to the Premier league and that a player's performance in Turkey won't directly translate into the Premier League.

7 goals in the Champions League is good, but scoring against CFR Cluj, Braga, and Manchester United's reserves isn't the same as consistently scoring goals against full strength Man United, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, etc squads in the Premier League.

guiza scored 27 in la liga before coming to turkey.

dumb argument anyway, national teams have little bearing on strength of countries' leagues, especially when it's a league where vast majority of transfer budget goes to foreign players.

kdawg32086 wrote:

Foye wrote:I admit Yilmaz is making me shut my mouth in this CL season so far but realistically I'll never consider him a great striker unless he does it in England, Spain, Italy, Germany or France.
Maybe Russia, too, as their league is getting more competitive each season.

I thought the fact that Eboue, who couldn't even get regular playing time for a "terrible Arsenal squad with no world class players (did I get that right?)," becoming a regular starter for the league champions in Turkey should have made it pretty obvious to him that the Turkish League wasn't equal to the Premier league and that a player's performance in Turkey won't directly translate into the Premier League.

7 goals in the Champions League is good, but scoring against CFR Cluj, Braga, and Manchester United's reserves isn't the same as consistently scoring goals against full strength Man United, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, etc squads in the Premier League.

Not to mention there are plenty of EPL sides who sit back and play defense, i.e. Stoke, probably at least as well as those Turkish sides. Saying he will score minimum 30 goals in a season when RvP scored 30 last year to win the golden boot, and before that Cristiano was the last one before him in 07-08. It's happened like 7 times since the EPL started (scoring 30 or more), and not much recently, but it's Yilmaz's minimum.

If he means 30 goals in the whole season meaning the league, league cup, FA cup, and European competitions, then I can see it happening. If he meant 30 goals just in the league, that's beyond ridiculous. I doubt even the likes of Falcao/RVP/Bale could get there. It would depend on health and other obligations such as the tournaments mentioned above which would force the manager to rest them.

^ Either way it's high. Those are prime Thierry Henry numbers. RVP got 37 goals in all competitions, for the first time in his career scoring over 30, in a historic season. It help that Arsenal played him every game because we had no one to rotate with him, he won't get that many this year, I bet. If Yilmaz went to United he'd be rotated with RvP, Hernandez etc. It's essentially saying his minimum is one of the greatest EPL strikers of all time. Drogba managed it twice in his eight years at Chelsea.

IronChef wrote:^ Either way it's high. Those are prime Thierry Henry numbers. RVP got 37 goals in all competitions, for the first time in his career scoring over 30, in a historic season. It help that Arsenal played him every game because we had no one to rotate with him, he won't get that many this year, I bet. If Yilmaz went to United he'd be rotated with RvP, Hernandez etc. It's essentially saying his minimum is one of the greatest EPL strikers of all time. Drogba managed it twice in his eight years at Chelsea.

You are right. I forgot how hard it is to score over 30 in a season, maybe it is because CR7 and Messi make it look so easy. I guess Massimo didn't help his case when he used the term "at least". I can see Yilmaz's ceiling in the EPL being Chicharito/Ba, but he could easily turn into Caroll, Torres, or Giroud.

Yeah, and it doesn't mean he's not a good player. It's just a pretty hard thing to do. There aren't too many players I would bet on scoring 30+ goals in the EPL if they came.

Foye wrote:I never said Yilmaz wasn't a good player anyway. All I pointed out is that he should step his a** in a good league and prove every day he can play with the best.

I admit Yilmaz is making me shut my mouth in this CL season so far but realistically I'll never consider him a great striker unless he does it in England, Spain, Italy, Germany or France.
Maybe Russia, too, as their league is getting more competitive each season.

Look at it this way. The Turkish national team is full of average (former) Bundesliga players.
How could I believe the Turkish league is any good when you nominate guys that don't even start (or play for relegation sides) for Bundesliga teams to your national team roster? Sararer, Torun or Ekici just to name a few. Or even Halil Altintop when he still was in the Bundesliga.
And not only do these guys get nominated, they actually play in world cup qualifier games.

Ailton managed to score double digits in his 6 season of Bundesliga. Then he came to Besiktas and couldn't do anything. So act like he played only one season in Bundesliga. He played 7 seasons and 6 of them he scored double digits.

Guiza scored 27 goals in Spanish League against Barcelona, Valencia, Real Madrid etc. In every single interviews that he had, he always sad Turkish league is way harder to score than Spanish League. There are so many bad players, so many bad coaches who thinks they can protect their end with putting 11 players all around their goalkeeper. This league is hard to score for strikers. Those who can will be a good addition for other leagues. The recent example is Emmanuel Emenike. He was the top goalscorer of 2013 African Cup if i am not mistaken.

I am not gonna go into deep about this. Misimovic, Lincoln, Ailton, Guiza, Carew and many more. Turkish League is just not their style and they weren't as good as they were in our league.

Why does Burak have to prove something to Foye? If Galatasaray decides to keep him like Schwensteiger, Muller and many more players like German teams always do, why can't he be proven? Just because of his club wants him to stay and he wants to stay at least for now, why can't you say he is a great goal scorer? Perhaps, he will not remain with us for years, I am sure, he will go to Europe but my point is just because of he is playing in Turkey, there is no reason for him not to be called one of the best goal scorer in the world.

Since I've been living in New York, I used to watch River Plate games because my friends are from Argentina. I was saying that Falcao is a great player. So what if he stayed at River Plate? He wasn't going to be known as a great striker just because he doesn't prrove himself in other leagues? It is a dumb statement, sorry.

So what? In German and Holland leagues there are so many players who are scoring 15-20 goals. So all of them are proven just because of they are playing in those leagues. But Burak is not.. Good logic though.

England, Spain, Italy is understandable but Germany? What are you talking about? Everybody is scoring 15-20 goals in that league anyway? Goal ratio was almost 3.00 last year. When you go to betting sites, you get lowest odds for 2.5 over bets in Bundesliga. For strikers, Bundesliga and Dutch leagues are the WORST leagues to collect databases. Those strikers who play in Bundesliga are overhyped and over-performed.

About Turkish National Team. I stopped caring about them since Fenerbahce controls everything. So, I don't know what's going on with them.

kdawg32086 wrote:I thought the fact that Eboue, who couldn't even get regular playing time for a "terrible Arsenal squad with no world class players (did I get that right?)," becoming a regular starter for the league champions in Turkey should have made it pretty obvious to him that the Turkish League wasn't equal to the Premier league and that a player's performance in Turkey won't directly translate into the Premier League.

7 goals in the Champions League is good, but scoring against CFR Cluj, Braga, and Manchester United's reserves isn't the same as consistently scoring goals against full strength Man United, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, etc squads in the Premier League.

Sneijder didn't play regularly in Real Madrid but he won the CL cup with Inter Milan and he was most valuable player in that squad.

Huntelaar sucked in Milan and Real Madrid but he is killing it in Bundesliga. So that Spanish League and Serie A > Bundesliga.

Demba Ba couldn't do well in Bundesliga but he has been doing fairly better in EPL. So that Bundesliga > EPL.

Eboue was unhappy in Arsenal and he couldn't do well. But he is much happier in Galatasaray and playing great. Can't this happen? Milito has been playing in terrible teams but after he became 29 years old he went to Inter Milan and became one of the most important player while a run to Champions League.

Do you think before you write?