2019-20 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread

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2019-20 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread 

Post#1 » by Det the Threat » Sat Jun 1, 2019 1:10 pm

Here we go again.

Bayern Munich won the Bundesliga once again and for the seventh year in a row.
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Information for Bundesliga Fans in the US:
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This year Bayern had to fend off Borussia Dortmund until the final game of the season and were able to make up a nine point deficit during the second half of the season.
Dortmund, on the other hand, blew a huge chance to win the title thanks an inconsistent second half of the season were they dropped points way to easily.

Given that winning the league alone is pretty boring, Bayern also won the cup, winning it's 12th double of their history, and sending off Arjen Robben and Frank Ribery with two more titles to their name.

Alongside Bayern and Dortmund, Leipzig and Leverkusen made it into the top four to qualify for next the group stages of the UEFA Champions League.
Borussia Mönchengladbach, VfL Wolfsburg and Eintracht Frankfurt, if they make it through three rounds of qualification, will play in the group stages of the UEFA Europa League.

Stuttgart, Nürnberg and Hannover were relegated to the 2nd Bundesliga, while Cologne, Paderborn and Union Berlin will complete the 57th edition of the Bundesliga.

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Surprises of last season:

Fortuna Düsseldorf:
Being promoted to the Bundesliga with a rather small budget Düsseldorf was picked to be the clear favourite, together with Nürnberg, for relegation.
Though, guided by experienced manager Friedhelm Funkel they surprised everyone and finished 10th in the table, especially thanks to a very good second half of the season.

Eintracht Frankfurt:
Even though they couldn't keep it up until the very end of the season, Frankfurt played very good football and still finished 7th to give themselves a chance of another year of Europa League.
Their play in this competition was just fantastic and nearly landed them a spot in the Europa League final, if it weren't for Chelsea and that penalty shootout.
Though, sporting director Fredi Bobic will have another tough job to manage, given that they'll lose quite a few important players.

VFL Wolfsburg:
Even though blessed with a top four budget in the league, Wolfsburg played in those relegation playoffs the past two seasons, merely avoiding relegation.
This season they never were in trouble and qualified for Europe thanks to a good finish to the season.


Dissapointments of last season:


Schalke 04:
Schalke seem to be up and down quite a bit the past couple of years and after an up season last year, they had an unbelievable down season this time around.
After finishing second and qualifying for the Champions League last season, they had to fight relegation almost until the end of the season just escaping thanks to three other teams being even worse then them.
They also fired another coach and manager to start new once again.

VfB Stuttgart:
After finishing seventh last season and talking about maybe qualifying for Europe Stuttgart had a very poor season throughout.
They still managed to finish third from bottom but couldn't beat Union Berlin during the relegation playoffs.
Thanks to that they've been relegated to the 2nd Bundesliga for the second time during the past three seasons.

Hannover 96:
After a good season back in the Bundesliga last year they were never able to repeat their form this season and got relegated to the 2nd Bundesliga.
Missing a lot of their top players for most of the season certainly didn't help, but Hannover also played very poorly most of the season and clearly showed that they didn't belong into the Bundesliga.

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Preview:


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Bayern will have quite some work to do with their aging squad.
After only bringing in Leon Goretzka, on a free transfer, last season they'll have to replace Robben and Ribery, while also working on other parts of their team.
Spending 80 mil euros on Lucas Hernandez of Atletico and 30 mil euros on Benjamin Pavard of Stuttgart was only the beginning and they're also linked to Leroy Sane of Manchester City.

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After missing a huge chance to win the league Dortmund knows it will be even tougher to win the title in the coming years, with Bayern looking to spend big.
Because of that they've spend as well, using their funds(and the transfer fee they got for Pulisic), they've already signed Thorgan Hazard(Gladbach), Nico Schulz(Hoffenheim) and Julian Brandt(Leverkusen).

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Leipzig had a very good second half of the season, being the most stable team of the league, and finished third to qualify for the champions league.
New manager Julian Nagelsmann(Hoffenheim) will have more tools for his tactics given that Leipzig has a way bigger budget than Hoffenheim.
He'll now have to show that he can develop that squad even more and also do better in Europe than he did with Hoffenheim.

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After a mediocre first half to the season Leverkusen fired then manager Heiko Herrlich and replaced him with former Dortmund and Ajax manager Peter Bosz.
This turned out to be a great move given that Bosz guided them to 4th place and a spot in the Champions league after taking them over at 9th place in the league.
The squad fit his playing style way better than Dortmunds last season and he had Leverkusen playing really solid football throughout the second half of the season.
They're losing Julian Brandt to Dortmund but were able to replace him with Kerim Demirbay of Hoffenheim.

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It's a mixed bag of emotions for me trying to describe our season.
This was a huge chance for us to qualify for the Champions League given that we were 2nd(ahead of Bayern) after 20 games of the season with 42 points.
It was understandeable that we couldn't keep that pace but collecting only 13 points from the final 14 games and therefore missing out on Champions League football, finishing three points behind Leverkusen, was pretty rough just like the football we played during those games.

Now we'll have to adopt a new style of play given that Marco Rose(Red Bull Salzburg) will take over for Dieter Hecking(who'll manage HSV in the 2nd Bundesliga) and implement a completely different style of play.
We'll need quite a few transfers and more pace/fight in that squad to suit Rose's style of play, given that he's a former player under Klopp and learned quite a bit from him.

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After qualiying for the Europa League Wolfsburg will have to change their style a bit as well, given that they'll start the season with a newly appointed manager in Oliver Glasner(LASK Linz).
Wolfsburg has a lot of resources(for German standards) and a solid sporting director in Jörg Schmadtke, which means they'll be a team fighting for those european spots again.

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After another turbulent season Schalke will start over once again. This time David Wagner(Huddersfield) and Jochen Schneider(Leipzig) are the ones trusted to get them back on track again.
Both will have a tough job trying to rebuilt that squad whle keeping the fans happy.

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After a good run of four years Hertha decided letting go of coach Pal Dardai to try something different.
This time they've promoted youth coach Ante Covic to the first team and are hoping that he can keep bleeding in some of their young talent while also getting them the resultst they're hoping for.

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After a couple of rough stretches during the season Sandro Schwarz had his Mainz team playing good football to end the season, given the fanbase hope for a very good season this time around.
And given the squad, even if one or two players might leave to bigger clubs, they should have a better year the this past season, given the development of younger guys like Jean-Philippe Mateta, Aaron Martin and Jean-Paul Boetius.


There it is, the discussion thread for the upcoming season of the Bundesliga.

I hope you've enjoyed the intro and are interested in discussing everything about the league in here.

So let's enjoy the ride...
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Post#2 » by Foye » Sat Jun 1, 2019 1:40 pm

We just signed the first french guy of the season.
Ronaël Pierre-Gabriel, 21 y/o RB from Monaco.

Now a french CB, a DM and some wingers please.

Team looked good at the end of last season. Hopefully, the only significant loss will be Gbamin.

Btw. Galatasaray fans really think they have a chance to sign Mateta :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#3 » by PANDEMONEUM » Mon Jun 3, 2019 1:35 am

Great post.
BVB only have themselves to blame for not winning the league. Hiw many L and D to the bottom 5 teams. Leads given up. They should have been +7points before that last game vs Bayern.
Too much Goetz.
Need more Paco and another forward.
The defensive line shuffled way too much, yes there were injuries but, nobody could hold down their spot either.

I will be following a few teams this next season. BVB, Leipzig for Adams, Bremen for Sargent, and if theres time Schalke for Weston but it was painful to watch them this last year.

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Post#4 » by Foye » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:45 pm

Just signed Edimilson Fernandes as Gbamin replacement.

I believe he was a flop at West Ham but regular starter at Fiorentina this past season. We‘ll see. Hopefully, he will at least be a decent replacement for Gbamin.

I like our transfer summer so far.
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Post#5 » by Foye » Tue Jun 4, 2019 2:05 pm

Jovic gone.

Maybe shouldve signed replacement prior to agreeong to the deal. Now everyone knows Frankfurt is swimming in cash and every manager will be looking to get milk from the cow.
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Post#6 » by PANDEMONEUM » Wed Jun 5, 2019 5:20 am

Americans in G.Bundesliga.
...if i missed someone, add him to the list.

Tyler Adams – RB Leipzig
John Brooks – VfL Wolfsburg
Timothy Chandler – Eintracht Frankfurt
Fabian Johnson – Borussia M'gladbach
Alfredo Morales – Fortuna Düsseldorf

Josh Sargent – Werder Bremen
Aron Jóhannsson – Werder Bremen

Bobby Wood – Hannover 96
Sebastian Soto – Hannover 96

Haji Wright – Schalke 04
Weston McKennie – Schalke 04

G.Bund 2 (will have to take some time and research if theres anyone else worth mentioning)
*Julian Green – SpVgg Greuther Fürth*
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Post#7 » by Foye » Wed Jun 5, 2019 8:24 am

Hannover got relegated. So these guys will be 2nd league.
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Post#8 » by PANDEMONEUM » Wed Jun 5, 2019 9:47 am

Foye wrote:Hannover got relegated. So these guys will be 2nd league.



Soto is starting for the U20 team in the current world cup.
target striker.
idk if hes ready for B2 tho.
we'll have to see if he can make their main team or gets used for their youth team or something.

Wood, idk when his contract runs out.
he went from Hamburg, where they were horrible and got relegated,
to Hannover and they were bad, and he lost P.T., and they got relegated.
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Post#9 » by Det the Threat » Wed Jun 5, 2019 7:32 pm

Alex Mendez(Freiburg) and Ulysses Llanez(Wolfsburg) are in youth academies and might be able to work their way into the first teams.

Both left LA Galaxy academy after they fired their manager and I really like what I've seeon from Mendez during the tournament.
Mendez should also be the one with the faster path to the Bundesliga given Freiburg's rather small budget and willingness to play young guys.

BTW: Fabian Johnson could be on his way out of Gladbach.
He's been injured quite a bit these past two seasons and I'm not sure he'll be able to play the way our new manager wants to.
He's also been linked to FC Cincinatti some time ago.
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Post#10 » by PANDEMONEUM » Thu Jun 6, 2019 4:09 am

I like both of those kids.
Will have to follow and see how fast they move through.

Fabian was on a nice path, but either reached his ceiling, or injuries.

I dont mind any kown name coming to MLS.

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Post#11 » by Det the Threat » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:06 am

Well, Mainz have signed another french player(RB from Monaco), Leverkusen have signed winger Moussa Diaby of PSG and Hertha have brought in Eduard Löwen of Nürnberg.
We, on the other hand, have brought in an assistant manager for our under 23 team and 20 parking spots for electric cars....
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Post#12 » by Little Nathan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:53 pm

Det the Threat wrote:20 parking spots for electric cars....


Congrats on that, btw!
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Post#13 » by Det the Threat » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:25 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
Det the Threat wrote:20 parking spots for electric cars....


Congrats on that, btw!


Yep, we're all about the future at Borussia.
Young players, renewable energy....

BTW: Seems like Marcus Thuram(son of Lilian Thuram) could be on the way to Borussia. Thuram, unlike his father, is an offensive player with quite some skill on the ball.
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Post#14 » by Foye » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:18 pm

Det the Threat wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
Det the Threat wrote:20 parking spots for electric cars....


Congrats on that, btw!


Yep, we're all about the future at Borussia.
Young players, renewable energy....

BTW: Seems like Marcus Thuram(son of Lilian Thuram) could be on the way to Borussia. Thuram, unlike his father, is an offensive player with quite some skill on the ball.


Underrated move! :lol:

I hope we add this guy:
https://www.transfermarkt.de/lucien-agoume/profil/spieler/569384

Don't care whether our midfield is already crowded, dude might be next Pogba.
This offseason is our only chance. Next summer he'll be too expensive already most likely.

Won't happen sadly that we sign this guy.

Other than that we need a CB and a winger and we'll be set. Should be a good season next year. Already waiting for it.

BTW What do you guys think about the cooperation between Leipzig and Paderborn?

Match-fixing here we come, IMO. Even both teams ultra sides don't like the cooperation :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#15 » by Det the Threat » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:29 am

Foye wrote:Underrated move! :lol:

I hope we add this guy:
https://www.transfermarkt.de/lucien-agoume/profil/spieler/569384

Don't care whether our midfield is already crowded, dude might be next Pogba.
This offseason is our only chance. Next summer he'll be too expensive already most likely.

Won't happen sadly that we sign this guy.

Other than that we need a CB and a winger and we'll be set. Should be a good season next year. Already waiting for it.

BTW What do you guys think about the cooperation between Leipzig and Paderborn?

Match-fixing here we come, IMO. Even both teams ultra sides don't like the cooperation :lol: :lol: :lol:


There are Red Bull ultras? :eek2:

Overall this just gives RedBull another advantage. Now they've got their own FC Liefering(second team of Red Bull Salzburg in Austria) in Germany as well and are able to give developing players meaningful games in one of the top two tiers of german football.
It also shows why they cancelled their U-23 team, given that 4th division isn't that great for the development of those players.

Paderborn, on the other hand, are trying everything they can to establish themselves in the top two leagues after they ran out of money with their president(and financial aid) dying of late.

BTW: Congratz on extending Mateta's contract for another season. Surley means he'll stay for at least another year(even with all those interested clubs) and should also benefit you financially once he decides to go somewhere else.

Also, it seems like we're interested in german U-21 international Lukas Nmecha of Manchester City. Nmecha's a highly talanted striker that won't get playing time there next season and was loaned to the Championship already.
It would also make sense cause Eberl had supposedly been in England a couple weeks ago and he's also on good terms with Pep.

On top of that Michael Cuisance will stay and hopefully will be able to regain his form under Rose.
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Post#16 » by Foye » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:45 am

How much money does Ebert even have available this summer?
After not reaching Europe last year and just missing out of the CL this year, his budget might be restricted, no?
Although he should have at least the Hazard millions to work with. Probably doesn‘t want to make a too early move hoping the prices will drop later in the window.

Resigning Mateta is a no brainer for both parties. We werent gonna let him leave after one season and he‘ll receive a pay-raise.
If he scores at least 15 next season, he will be gone for 40-50 mil.
Although, I fear he will start the season tired after being on the U21 squad all summer.

I hear we are interested in signing Steven Zuber from Hoffenheim. Decent player for sure but I would‘ve hoped for another french talent instead.

Ji...Zuber these signings not really impress me much.
It is more investing in quantity than quality. We need quality more than quantity. For quantity the youth players like Barreiro, Burkardt or Eyibil should be used.
At least Zuber can play winger, though. Öztunali was dreadful last year.
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Post#17 » by Det the Threat » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:53 pm

Foye wrote:How much money does Ebert even have available this summer?
After not reaching Europe last year and just missing out of the CL this year, his budget might be restricted, no?
Although he should have at least the Hazard millions to work with. Probably doesn‘t want to make a too early move hoping the prices will drop later in the window.


Who the hell is Ebert? :-o :tooth

He'll certainly have a nice amount of money given that we've sold Hazard, reached EL(about 10 mil euros) and with our sponsorship deals(Puma pays us about 8 mil euros a year for example) as well.
Though, there've been rumores about a 50 mil euros budget which he, rightfully, rejected as false.

I think it's around 40 mil euros given that Hazard was sold for something between 25 - 30 mil(including add ons) and with the stuff I just mentioned.

BTW: I doubt he has problems moving in early on transfers, as this was actually always his move earlier on, but it's more about negotiations with teams and their demands.
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Post#18 » by Foye » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:03 pm

Well just one letter was wrong haha

Patrick Ebert running your club would probably only lead to some broken mirrors on those 20 electric cars lol
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Post#19 » by Foye » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:05 pm

So we can agree that he wants to get more value for the 40 mil he has available...thus the deals are taking longer to be completed.
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Post#20 » by Foye » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:34 pm

Derby in the first Cup round :D

Seems like a great opportunity to be thrown out haha

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