Copa America Final Brazil vs Argentina 7/10 8pm EST

[Rust_Cohle]

messi for argentina is not the same guy barcelona

Messi has been great this tournament. Easily the best player in it.

not in cup/final games. that's been his knock forever.

He’s been better in cup/final game’s than Ronaldo who is often considered right behind him.

He’s also had the greatest Copa tourney by any player in its 100+ year history with most goals and assists in a single tourney

[Calvin Klein]

[Tracymcgoaty]

Messi has been great this tournament. Easily the best player in it.

not in cup/final games. that's been his knock forever.

He’s been better in cup/final game’s than Ronaldo who is often considered right behind him.

He’s also had the greatest Copa tourney by any player in its 100+ year history with most goals and assists in a single tourney

TELL EM RUST! time is a flat circle it all comes right back to MESSI BEING THE GOAT!

[HIF]

not in cup/final games. that's been his knock forever.

He’s been better in cup/final game’s than Ronaldo who is often considered right behind him.

He’s also had the greatest Copa tourney by any player in its 100+ year history with most goals and assists in a single tourney

TELL EM RUST! time is a flat circle it all comes right back to MESSI BEING THE GOAT!

Neither of them would have even been noticed, especially Messi, 30 or 40 years ago.

[AK47MVP]

We need new thread to discuss upcoming World Cup. I feel like we will have so many evenly matched teams for first time. Just this stupid location and 30+35C heat will be messing things up.

[EArl]

We need new thread to discuss upcoming World Cup. I feel like we will have so many evenly matched teams for first time. Just this stupid location and 30+35C heat will be messing things up.

Wont it be in the winter next year? Im assuming the temp will be a little Milder. My problem with Quatar is more about human right issues.

[Rust_Cohle]

not in cup/final games. that's been his knock forever.

He’s been better in cup/final game’s than Ronaldo who is often considered right behind him.

He’s also had the greatest Copa tourney by any player in its 100+ year history with most goals and assists in a single tourney

TELL EM RUST! time is a flat circle it all comes right back to MESSI BEING THE GOAT!

I spat out my drink, thanks for making my day haha

[Rust_Cohle]

He’s been better in cup/final game’s than Ronaldo who is often considered right behind him.

He’s also had the greatest Copa tourney by any player in its 100+ year history with most goals and assists in a single tourney

TELL EM RUST! time is a flat circle it all comes right back to MESSI BEING THE GOAT!

Neither of them would have even been noticed, especially Messi, 30 or 40 years ago.

Ah yes at a time when pele could be injured and Brazil would still sleepwalk to another World Cup. Messi would have god smacked everyone 40 years ago, don’t be daft.

[HIF]

TELL EM RUST! time is a flat circle it all comes right back to MESSI BEING THE GOAT!

Neither of them would have even been noticed, especially Messi, 30 or 40 years ago.

Ah yes at a time when pele could be injured and Brazil would still sleepwalk to another World Cup. Messi would have god smacked everyone 40 years ago, don’t be daft.

He wouldn't have been able to move on the heavy pitches and he'd have been kicked to death by defenders. Were you alive then?

[Rust_Cohle]

Neither of them would have even been noticed, especially Messi, 30 or 40 years ago.

Ah yes at a time when pele could be injured and Brazil would still sleepwalk to another World Cup. Messi would have god smacked everyone 40 years ago, don’t be daft.

He wouldn't have been able to move on the heavy pitches and he'd have been kicked to death by defenders. Were you alive then?

Were you? Do you realize how moronic it is that pele could survive those times but Messi couldn’t? The athletes of today >>>>> the ones of peels era with far weaker players. Copa America had some god awful pitches Messi would be fine.

Imagine seriously thinking he would struggle during that period.

[HIF]

Ah yes at a time when pele could be injured and Brazil would still sleepwalk to another World Cup. Messi would have god smacked everyone 40 years ago, don’t be daft.

He wouldn't have been able to move on the heavy pitches and he'd have been kicked to death by defenders. Were you alive then?

Were you? Do you realize how moronic it is that pele could survive those times but Messi couldn’t? The athletes of today >>>>> the ones of peels era with far weaker players. Copa America had some god awful pitches Messi would be fine.

Imagine seriously thinking he would struggle during that period.

Yes I was. Obviously you weren't from what you say. It's like claiming that Michael Phelps would win in an Artic Ocean race because he is the greatest swimmer in a pool. Today's football is a completely different game to that of 40 years ago. Still no convincing some kids stay in your Messi is GOD world.

[Sedale Threatt]

He’s been better in cup/final game’s than Ronaldo who is often considered right behind him.

He’s also had the greatest Copa tourney by any player in its 100+ year history with most goals and assists in a single tourney

TELL EM RUST! time is a flat circle it all comes right back to MESSI BEING THE GOAT!

Neither of them would have even been noticed, especially Messi, 30 or 40 years ago.

This is one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read on Real GM, and I’ve seen some sht.

[Rust_Cohle]

He wouldn't have been able to move on the heavy pitches and he'd have been kicked to death by defenders. Were you alive then?

Were you? Do you realize how moronic it is that pele could survive those times but Messi couldn’t? The athletes of today >>>>> the ones of peels era with far weaker players. Copa America had some god awful pitches Messi would be fine.

Imagine seriously thinking he would struggle during that period.

Yes I was. Obviously you weren't from what you say. It's like claiming that Michael Phelps would win in an Artic Ocean race because he is the greatest swimmer in a pool. Today's football is a completely different game to that of 40 years ago. Still no convincing some kids stay in your Messi is GOD world.

Another moronic take. Today’s athletes are better than they’ve EVER been in history.
Messi would comfortably dominate 60’s or 70’s football. I mean imagine actually thinking him or Ronaldo wouldn’t be able to cut it against FAR less talented players from 50 years ago

[Sedale Threatt]

Were you? Do you realize how moronic it is that pele could survive those times but Messi couldn’t? The athletes of today >>>>> the ones of peels era with far weaker players. Copa America had some god awful pitches Messi would be fine.

Imagine seriously thinking he would struggle during that period.

Yes I was. Obviously you weren't from what you say. It's like claiming that Michael Phelps would win in an Artic Ocean race because he is the greatest swimmer in a pool. Today's football is a completely different game to that of 40 years ago. Still no convincing some kids stay in your Messi is GOD world.

Another moronic take. Today’s athletes are better than they’ve EVER been in history.
Messi would comfortably dominate 60’s or 70’s football. I mean imagine actually thinking him or Ronaldo wouldn’t be able to cut it against FAR less talented players from 50 years ago

I was in a military family stationed in England in the late 80s, which is where I caught the soccer buzz. It was awesome, I loved it, but half the players in the old First Division were alcoholics who got sht faced throughout the season. High-level players like Paul Merson and Paul Gascgoine, awesome as they were, were borderline fat. The notion that a physical fitness freak like Ronaldo, or somebody who can dribble out of trouble in a phone booth like Messi, would struggle against that level of competition to the point of anonymity because the grass was longer and the game was more physical is so ludicrous it barely merits a response.

[Rust_Cohle]

Yes I was. Obviously you weren't from what you say. It's like claiming that Michael Phelps would win in an Artic Ocean race because he is the greatest swimmer in a pool. Today's football is a completely different game to that of 40 years ago. Still no convincing some kids stay in your Messi is GOD world.

Another moronic take. Today’s athletes are better than they’ve EVER been in history.
Messi would comfortably dominate 60’s or 70’s football. I mean imagine actually thinking him or Ronaldo wouldn’t be able to cut it against FAR less talented players from 50 years ago

I was in a military family stationed in England in the late 80s, which is where I caught the soccer buzz. It was awesome, I loved it, but half the players in the old First Division were alcoholics who got sht faced throughout the season. High-level players like Paul Merson and Paul Gascgoine, awesome as they were, were borderline fat. The notion that a physical fitness freak like Ronaldo, or somebody who can dribble out of trouble in a phone booth like Messi, would struggle against that level of competition to the point of anonymity because the grass was longer and the game was more physical is so ludicrous it barely merits a response.

Well said!

[HIF]

Yes I was. Obviously you weren't from what you say. It's like claiming that Michael Phelps would win in an Artic Ocean race because he is the greatest swimmer in a pool. Today's football is a completely different game to that of 40 years ago. Still no convincing some kids stay in your Messi is GOD world.

Another moronic take. Today’s athletes are better than they’ve EVER been in history.
Messi would comfortably dominate 60’s or 70’s football. I mean imagine actually thinking him or Ronaldo wouldn’t be able to cut it against FAR less talented players from 50 years ago

I was in a military family stationed in England in the late 80s, which is where I caught the soccer buzz. It was awesome, I loved it, but half the players in the old First Division were alcoholics who got sht faced throughout the season. High-level players like Paul Merson and Paul Gascgoine, awesome as they were, were borderline fat. The notion that a physical fitness freak like Ronaldo, or somebody who can dribble out of trouble in a phone booth like Messi, would struggle against that level of competition to the point of anonymity because the grass was longer and the game was more physical is so ludicrous it barely merits a response.

You're confusing talent with conditions.

Messi would have been kicked off the park - legally that's without even mentioning the muddy pitches where his style of game would have ben completely ineffective.

Still today's generation believe that their players are the greatest ever, Messi and Ronaldo are incredible players and the greatest of their generation but comparing with the past is a stupid thing to do. Even in american sports like Football comparing a QB now with one from half a century ago is ridiculous as the game is so much different (softer and easier just like in soccer). I'm not going to try to open your minds in this thread any further. Not sure why it isn't closed anyway. Keep your closed minds guys.

[Sedale Threatt]

Another moronic take. Today’s athletes are better than they’ve EVER been in history.
Messi would comfortably dominate 60’s or 70’s football. I mean imagine actually thinking him or Ronaldo wouldn’t be able to cut it against FAR less talented players from 50 years ago

I was in a military family stationed in England in the late 80s, which is where I caught the soccer buzz. It was awesome, I loved it, but half the players in the old First Division were alcoholics who got sht faced throughout the season. High-level players like Paul Merson and Paul Gascgoine, awesome as they were, were borderline fat. The notion that a physical fitness freak like Ronaldo, or somebody who can dribble out of trouble in a phone booth like Messi, would struggle against that level of competition to the point of anonymity because the grass was longer and the game was more physical is so ludicrous it barely merits a response.

You're confusing talent with conditions.

Messi would have been kicked off the park - legally that's without even mentioning the muddy pitches where his style of game would have ben completely ineffective.

Still today's generation believe that their players are the greatest ever, Messi and Ronaldo are incredible players and the greatest of their generation but comparing with the past is a stupid thing to do. Even in american sports like Football comparing a QB now with one from half a century ago is ridiculous as the game is so much different (softer and easier just like in soccer). I'm not going to try to open your minds in this thread any further. Not sure why it isn't closed anyway. Keep your closed minds guys.

Ah, so arguably the two most skilled and talented players in the entire history of the game are gonna be "kicked off the park," but (going back to the English game as an example) vastly inferior players like Gazza, Merson, Ian Rush, Gary Lineker, Chris Waddle, Peter Beardsley, David Platt, John Barnes, Kenny Dalglish, Glenn Hoddle, Bryan Robson -- the list is endless -- somehow managed to find a way to thrive under these conditions.

And let's not forget exactly what you said. Not only wouldn't they be as good, these conditions were somehow so oppressive that neither of them would have even been noticed. While a bunch of pub crawlers with 1/2 the talent who didn't even know what physical fitness was would/were. Utterly ludicrous.

And that's not to denigrate those players; I saw most of them in action and they were all awesome in their own ways. (Lineker remains one of my favorite players ever.) But come on, you're being ridiculous. Putting players who have achieved and done the things that Messi & Ronaldo have on a pedestal isn't a generational thing. (Especially here; I'm pushing 50 so I've seen tons of players/generations come and go already).

It's an I-have-a-functioning-brain-and-I-understand-what-I'm-seeing thing.