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Transfer thread for the coming season.

I'll kick it off with Douglas Luiz to Juventus. Looks like a swap deal with Villa getting McKennie, Iling Jr. and 20m in return.

PSR must be hitting Villa hard to downgrade Douglas Luiz to McKennie.

MetalFingaz wrote:PSR must be hitting Villa hard to downgrade Douglas Luiz to McKennie.

I don't like the deal at all. Don't know enough about Iling Jr. to really comment, he alone might make it worth it, I don't know. But McKennie is not particularly good.

There has to have been a team out there that was willing to pay a proper fee for him rather than a mediocre swap deal, assuming his mind wasn't set on just Juve. Not completely sure on the mechanics of the deal but it seems to be an FFP relieving deal with the two incomings spread out over 5 years.

Maybe LDNMagic or Pipp can clarify Villa's situation.

Just read that contract talks between Bayern and Davies have broken down. So a move to Real could be imminent if Bayern still wants some money for him this summer.

Ouedraogo to Leipzig.
Bayern missing another one of the German top talents.

Baphomet wrote:Transfer thread for the coming season.

I'll kick it off with Douglas Luiz to Juventus. Looks like a swap deal with Villa getting McKennie, Iling Jr. and 20m in return.

I don't actually know much about Douglas Luiz. Is he as good as everyone is saying he is?

Baphomet wrote:

MetalFingaz wrote:PSR must be hitting Villa hard to downgrade Douglas Luiz to McKennie.

I don't like the deal at all. Don't know enough about Iling Jr. to really comment, he alone might make it worth it, I don't know. But McKennie is not particularly good.

There has to have been a team out there that was willing to pay a proper fee for him rather than a mediocre swap deal, assuming his mind wasn't set on just Juve. Not completely sure on the mechanics of the deal but it seems to be an FFP relieving deal with the two incomings spread out over 5 years.

Maybe LDNMagic or Pipp can clarify Villa's situation.

I think initially most Villa fans reacted against this deal and even with more thought, I'm not 100% convinced, BUT most of us are happy to trust in Unai and Monchi.

McKennie and Lling will be depth pieces, which we sorely need and McKennie actually had a pretty good season for Juve after a poor spell at Leeds (Team was also poor). He will not be a direct replacement for Dougie.

Lling can play multiple spots on the left and apparently has excellent speed, so could again develop into something. Don't think anyone expected Rogers to do much when he got to Villa, but he had a great late season spell for us.

I do think once this deal is done, there will be more incoming, which will more likely include better players. The rumoured Duran to Chelsea deal looks like going ahead and there's been chatter about a swap with Gallagher (+ money).

IF we do this -

Out - Luiz, Duran

In -
Barkley
McKennie
Lling
Gallagher

That makes things more palatable and gives us flexibility in PSR.

Obviously back up striker and RB/LB still need to be looked too. Cash is another rumoured out

Kamara coming back fit is very important and many Villa fans feel he is more important than Dougie (who's play did drop once Kamara was out injured). Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, McKennie,Barkley, Gallagher (possible) with Bailey, Diaby, Ramsey, Rogers, Buendia all able to contribute minutes there too makes a deeper midfield group than we've had in YEARS

magik9113 wrote:

Baphomet wrote:Transfer thread for the coming season.

I'll kick it off with Douglas Luiz to Juventus. Looks like a swap deal with Villa getting McKennie, Iling Jr. and 20m in return.

I don't actually know much about Douglas Luiz. Is he as good as everyone is saying he is?

This season Luiz took a massive step forward and it's also been recognised by Brazil, with him now playing regular minutes with them.
He's still not old or peaked, but has been around for a long time. His best is Excellent and this season he was his most consistent, but he still did have some spells of average games.

If PSR was not a concern, I don't believe we'd be moving him.

Thx Pipp.

McKennie led the team in assists by a long shot this season. He is undervalued no matter what he does and I do wish he was staying.

Iling never got much playing time and our overly defensive coach rarely played him in his best roll. but the potential for him to be a star is there without a doubt, and he is only 20. I wish him the best and also would have preferred if they kept him

Baphomet wrote:

MetalFingaz wrote:PSR must be hitting Villa hard to downgrade Douglas Luiz to McKennie.

I don't like the deal at all. Don't know enough about Iling Jr. to really comment, he alone might make it worth it, I don't know. But McKennie is not particularly good.

There has to have been a team out there that was willing to pay a proper fee for him rather than a mediocre swap deal, assuming his mind wasn't set on just Juve. Not completely sure on the mechanics of the deal but it seems to be an FFP relieving deal with the two incomings spread out over 5 years.

Maybe LDNMagic or Pipp can clarify Villa's situation.

It seems a weird deal but we may have unlocked a new loophole for PSR/FFP. Essentially Luiz is being bought for £50 mill and getting some cash coming our way and we are buying Illing Jr and McKennie for £40 mill. That’s what will show on the accounts, but it’s easier to just stay it’s a swap deal. It’s really stupid but that’s what the rules are I guess it helps with our PSR situation.

Essentially we are selling our highest assets we are willing to part ways with (Luiz, Duran and Cash). If all these deals go through before the accounting period ends (30th June) then we will receive around 100-130 mill in sales. Now the way FFP and PSR works that can essentially give us a chance to spend like 400 mill this summer, however we’ll need to make sure we sell a player for a decent sum for the next couple of summers.

I think the deal sucks on face value but it will benefit us in the long run, we get a player who can back up McGinn and a promising England u21 international. Both will be squad players and from what I’ve been told (a little ITK) this is just the beginning of our business. Our Luiz replacement will come this window but after 01.07.24.

We are possibly doing another swap deal with Chelsea where they buy Duran for 40 mill or so and we get Maatsen for his release clause (I think it’s 35 mill). That instantly sets us up with a LB for the next 5+ years potentially.

It’s also worth noting that Monchi has overseen huge turnover windows with players, I’m expecting something similar at villa I could see us easily bringing in 5+ players this window. Possibly already have 3 already in Barkley, Illing Jr and McKennie.

Pipp33 wrote:

Baphomet wrote:

MetalFingaz wrote:PSR must be hitting Villa hard to downgrade Douglas Luiz to McKennie.

I don't like the deal at all. Don't know enough about Iling Jr. to really comment, he alone might make it worth it, I don't know. But McKennie is not particularly good.

There has to have been a team out there that was willing to pay a proper fee for him rather than a mediocre swap deal, assuming his mind wasn't set on just Juve. Not completely sure on the mechanics of the deal but it seems to be an FFP relieving deal with the two incomings spread out over 5 years.

Maybe LDNMagic or Pipp can clarify Villa's situation.

I think initially most Villa fans reacted against this deal and even with more thought, I'm not 100% convinced, BUT most of us are happy to trust in Unai and Monchi.

McKennie and Lling will be depth pieces, which we sorely need and McKennie actually had a pretty good season for Juve after a poor spell at Leeds (Team was also poor). He will not be a direct replacement for Dougie.

Lling can play multiple spots on the left and apparently has excellent speed, so could again develop into something. Don't think anyone expected Rogers to do much when he got to Villa, but he had a great late season spell for us.

I do think once this deal is done, there will be more incoming, which will more likely include better players. The rumoured Duran to Chelsea deal looks like going ahead and there's been chatter about a swap with Gallagher (+ money).

IF we do this -

Out - Luiz, Duran

In -
Barkley
McKennie
Lling
Gallagher

That makes things more palatable and gives us flexibility in PSR.

Obviously back up striker and RB/LB still need to be looked too. Cash is another rumoured out

Kamara coming back fit is very important and many Villa fans feel he is more important than Dougie (who's play did drop once Kamara was out injured). Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, McKennie,Barkley, Gallagher (possible) with Bailey, Diaby, Ramsey, Rogers, Buendia all able to contribute minutes there too makes a deeper midfield group than we've had in YEARS

Unfortunately for us I don’t think Gallagher is coming, I have a feeling he’ll sign a new contract with Chelsea after the euros. Would love him at villa though. I have a feeling we’ll get Fofana from Monaco or Mikel Merino. I’d prefer Fofana personally and maybe try to get Baena as well

magik9113 wrote:

Baphomet wrote:Transfer thread for the coming season.

I'll kick it off with Douglas Luiz to Juventus. Looks like a swap deal with Villa getting McKennie, Iling Jr. and 20m in return.

I don't actually know much about Douglas Luiz. Is he as good as everyone is saying he is?

He's great, as the Villa fans have noted. Tremendous passer of the ball and has become a fairly reliable goal threat from deeper positions as well.

Pipp33 wrote:The rumoured Duran to Chelsea deal looks like going ahead and there's been chatter about a swap with Gallagher (+ money).

Hilarious value assessment.

Villa's financials are at a state so desperate they're getting rinsed for Luiz in broad daylight. You'd pay a premium to swap Durán for Gallagher.

Anyways Chelsea logistically wouldn't "swap" anyone that they could sell for pure profit, so that pulls Gallagher and Chalobah from the table, as much as I'm dying to see both go.

stormi wrote:

Pipp33 wrote:The rumoured Duran to Chelsea deal looks like going ahead and there's been chatter about a swap with Gallagher (+ money).

Hilarious value assessment.

Villa's financials are at a state so desperate they're getting rinsed for Luiz in broad daylight. You'd pay a premium to swap Durán for Gallagher.

Anyways Chelsea logistically wouldn't "swap" anyone that they could sell for pure profit, so that pulls Gallagher and Chalobah from the table, as much as I'm dying to see both go.

We are 60 mill short of making PSR, once the Luiz sale goes through we’re in the clear and if the Duran and cash deals go through then we are more than fine. I wouldn’t call that desperate, we are fine to lose one key player. It’s better than losing Watkins or Martinez.

LDNMagic90 wrote:

stormi wrote:

Pipp33 wrote:The rumoured Duran to Chelsea deal looks like going ahead and there's been chatter about a swap with Gallagher (+ money).

Hilarious value assessment.

Villa's financials are at a state so desperate they're getting rinsed for Luiz in broad daylight. You'd pay a premium to swap Durán for Gallagher.

Anyways Chelsea logistically wouldn't "swap" anyone that they could sell for pure profit, so that pulls Gallagher and Chalobah from the table, as much as I'm dying to see both go.

We are 60 mill short of making PSR, once the Luiz sale goes through we’re in the clear and if the Duran and cash deals go through then we are more than fine. I wouldn’t call that desperate, we are fine to lose one key player. It’s better than losing Watkins or Martinez.

Sounds like Durán is far from a sure thing anymore.

I really like the prospect, it seems like we're offering out Datro Fofana out + cash and it isn't being met with much receptiveness.

Let's see what happens. I wouldn't mind Datro Fofana staying at Chelsea next season, he's quite literally better than Raheem Sterling today.

stormi wrote:

LDNMagic90 wrote:

stormi wrote:
Hilarious value assessment.

Villa's financials are at a state so desperate they're getting rinsed for Luiz in broad daylight. You'd pay a premium to swap Durán for Gallagher.

Anyways Chelsea logistically wouldn't "swap" anyone that they could sell for pure profit, so that pulls Gallagher and Chalobah from the table, as much as I'm dying to see both go.

We are 60 mill short of making PSR, once the Luiz sale goes through we’re in the clear and if the Duran and cash deals go through then we are more than fine. I wouldn’t call that desperate, we are fine to lose one key player. It’s better than losing Watkins or Martinez.

Sounds like Durán is far from a sure thing anymore.

I really like the prospect, it seems like we're offering out Datro Fofana out + cash and it isn't being met with much receptiveness.

Let's see what happens. I wouldn't mind Datro Fofana staying at Chelsea next season, he's quite literally better than Raheem Sterling today.

Yeah, definitely looks to have a few things to sort through and not close yet.

Duran is a GREAT young talent, but at Villa, he wants more than he's earned as far as playing time goes. And he's also playing behind Watkins, who had one of the best seasons in the Prem.

I think he's worn his welcome out in the change room and has made no secret that he wants to move on, BUT we paid a decent amount for a player who was yet to prove much, and he's definitely worth a lot more than we paid, as he has shown he has talent and moments of brilliance. Once that is harnessed, he could be an electrifying player.

Pipp33 wrote:

stormi wrote:

LDNMagic90 wrote:
We are 60 mill short of making PSR, once the Luiz sale goes through we’re in the clear and if the Duran and cash deals go through then we are more than fine. I wouldn’t call that desperate, we are fine to lose one key player. It’s better than losing Watkins or Martinez.

Sounds like Durán is far from a sure thing anymore.

I really like the prospect, it seems like we're offering out Datro Fofana out + cash and it isn't being met with much receptiveness.

Let's see what happens. I wouldn't mind Datro Fofana staying at Chelsea next season, he's quite literally better than Raheem Sterling today.

Yeah, definitely looks to have a few things to sort through and not close yet.

Duran is a GREAT young talent, but at Villa, he wants more than he's earned as far as playing time goes. And he's also playing behind Watkins, who had one of the best seasons in the Prem.

I think he's worn his welcome out in the change room and has made no secret that he wants to move on, BUT we paid a decent amount for a player who was yet to prove much, and he's definitely worth a lot more than we paid, as he has shown he has talent and moments of brilliance. Once that is harnessed, he could be an electrifying player.

Yea Watkins is a golden boot candidate every season.

Durán kind of reminds me of a young Lukaku at WBrom / early Everton days before he started really packing on the weight. Decent back to goal game, competent in link-up, flat track bully that likes to run the channels, decent in the air and very good ball striking off of the left foot.

I think the fact that he has such natural shooting technique is why we're after him as opposed to some of the other opportunies on the market like Zirkzee/Solanke/Guirassy etc who are all closer to the Jackson archetype. I also really love Gyökeres at Sporting, but he's probably out of our price range.



Nico Jackson is such a curious case because when you evaluate his skills in a vacuum he's an absurd player. Link-up, running the channels, being a final third connector, dribbling for a CF. All at high levels.. but his ball striking is pathetic and he goes up for aerial duels with his eyes closed. Durán is a very good contrast to Jackson and Jackson may end up finding a home at LW long term down the road.

I've also read that there's some maturity issues with Durán. Allegedly trashed some rental properties and Emery isn't willing to wait around for him to develop into an adult.

Let's see what happens. I've also seen that Maatsen might be apart of the deal? If you need a LB, that's fantastic value for you (imo).

stormi wrote:

Pipp33 wrote:

stormi wrote:
Sounds like Durán is far from a sure thing anymore.

I really like the prospect, it seems like we're offering out Datro Fofana out + cash and it isn't being met with much receptiveness.

Let's see what happens. I wouldn't mind Datro Fofana staying at Chelsea next season, he's quite literally better than Raheem Sterling today.

Yeah, definitely looks to have a few things to sort through and not close yet.

Duran is a GREAT young talent, but at Villa, he wants more than he's earned as far as playing time goes. And he's also playing behind Watkins, who had one of the best seasons in the Prem.

I think he's worn his welcome out in the change room and has made no secret that he wants to move on, BUT we paid a decent amount for a player who was yet to prove much, and he's definitely worth a lot more than we paid, as he has shown he has talent and moments of brilliance. Once that is harnessed, he could be an electrifying player.

Yea Watkins is a golden boot candidate every season.

Durán kind of reminds me of a young Lukaku at WBrom / early Everton days before he started really packing on the weight. Decent back to goal game, competent in link-up, flat track bully that likes to run the channels, decent in the air and very good ball striking off of the left foot.

I think the fact that he has such natural shooting technique is why we're after him as opposed to some of the other opportunies on the market like Zirkzee/Solanke/Guirassy etc who are all closer to the Jackson archetype. I also really love Gyökeres at Sporting, but he's probably out of our price range.

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Nico Jackson is such a curious case because when you evaluate his skills in a vacuum he's an absurd player. Link-up, running the channels, being a final third connector, dribbling for a CF. All at high levels.. but his ball striking is pathetic and he goes up for aerial duels with his eyes closed. Durán is a very good contrast to Jackson and Jackson may end up finding a home at LW long term down the road.

I've also read that there's some maturity issues with Durán. Allegedly trashed some rental properties and Emery isn't willing to wait around for him to develop into an adult.

Let's see what happens. I've also seen that Maatsen might be apart of the deal? If you need a LB, that's fantastic value for you (imo).

Yes, agree on your points about him and big YES to there being maturity issues.

When he scored 2 vital goals for us against Liverpool, McGinn said in the post match interview about how good he was, BUT he was a nightmare at times around the club...Thought it was hilarious that he actually said it.

Also saw the rumours of Maatsen and would LOVE that to happen

Douglas Luiz deal stalling due to Mckennie. We’ve apparently have asked for Chiesa instead. Illing jr is happy to join, but Mckennie wants a severance package as he’s taking a pay cut of some sort to come to villa.

LDNMagic90 wrote:Douglas Luiz deal stalling due to Mckennie. We’ve apparently have asked for Chiesa instead. Illing jr is happy to join, but Mckennie wants a severance package as he’s taking a pay cut of some sort to come to villa.

Villa said no to Cheisa and now looks like Enzo Barrenechea (DM) will now be included with Iling jr. Played a full season on loan fro Juve with Frosinone Calcio and looks like a solid youngish talent (23). I'd rather take him than a Mckennie, who will only come if it suits him.

Read that he was getting a salary bump from Villa, but wanted the same money that we are paying Kamara/McGinn and Villa wouldn't go higher than their offer. So was then trying to negotiate a 2m exit fee with Juve.

In better news. looks like Ian Maatsen deal is done. Very happy to be bringing him in at LB, which looks like Digne or Moreno will be going somewhere