Sarver ESPN story

[SlovenianDragon]

I mean Sarver as long as he gets his money could stick us with the worst owner possible right? If he wanted to spite us and the league?

We are all thinking of the best case scenarios but Sarver has full control of the sell right?

League has a say but he could still stick is with some1 crappy if approved right?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I mean Sarver as long as he gets his money could stick us with the worst owner possible right? If he wanted to spite us and the league?

We are all thinking of the best case scenarios but Sarver has full control of the sell right?

League has a say but he could still stick is with some1 crappy if approved right?

As you said the league has to approve any new ownership group. I imagine there will be plenty of interest from buyers so the league can afford to be picky.

Like I was saying yesterday I understand as suns fans we expect the worst in everything but I truly think this is one case where we can be happy and optimistic.

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[Frank Lee]

Can people change?

When was Sarver’s mot recent inappropriate comments/behavior?

Seems the past couple of years he’s been way in the back seat out of the spotlight. No coincidence he finally saddled up with a respectful professional in Jones. I doubt he was gleaning much from McDegenerate.

To label him a racist is implying that people can’t change. 5 + yrs ago he was schooled by Watson on the boundaries for use of the N word. Since then?? Even prior to then, just the mere utterance of the Caucasianly forbidden word gets you the big Racist label??? Call me a racist then. But, I also have complied to the current societal language rules. Furthermore, words don’t define thoughts. But they do define how others think of you.

I don’t know the details/time lines of his misogyny, but let’s just assume he turned over a new leaf and had a come to Jesus moment.

In fact may be it was that simple.

Any ‘new born Christians’ out there care to weigh in on their preChrist behavior?

Is this the way it is? Once a homophobe always a homophobe? Why bother with ‘sensitivity training’ then?

Point is, Sarver is being punished for what he did 5-10-15 yrs ago. That doesn’t define who he is now.

Except for you axgrinders.

There is a certain degree of vindictive dislike going on for this guy. For who he was may be.

It’s hard for me to imagine Jones or Williams working for the heinous bigot he is perceived as now. Hard for me to see LarryFitz pal-ling around with a chauvinistic douche. I’d imagine this entire experience has been quite humbling for Sarver.

I guess this board is just full of never do wrong saints. Guess you all are exactly the same person you were 10 years ago. Course, some of you were mere teens then I’m sure… which could explain the authoritarian judgements on this matter. Live long enough, you will be surprised how much you have to adapt, especially in the last 30 years.

For what it’s worth, I don’t really care about Sarver. It’s the righteous dog piling that is disappointing

[Slim Charless]

I mean Sarver as long as he gets his money could stick us with the worst owner possible right? If he wanted to spite us and the league?

We are all thinking of the best case scenarios but Sarver has full control of the sell right?

League has a say but he could still stick is with some1 crappy if approved right?

As you said the league has to approve any new ownership group. I imagine there will be plenty of interest from buyers so the league can afford to be picky.

Like I was saying yesterday I understand as suns fans we expect the worst in everything but I truly think this is one case where we can be happy and optimistic.

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This. The league and the other owners have to approve of the sale. So Sarver can't sell the team to like say Trump for example. He has leeway, but it's limited. He has to be realistic.

[SlovenianDragon]

I mean Sarver as long as he gets his money could stick us with the worst owner possible right? If he wanted to spite us and the league?

We are all thinking of the best case scenarios but Sarver has full control of the sell right?

League has a say but he could still stick is with some1 crappy if approved right?

As you said the league has to approve any new ownership group. I imagine there will be plenty of interest from buyers so the league can afford to be picky.

Like I was saying yesterday I understand as suns fans we expect the worst in everything but I truly think this is one case where we can be happy and optimistic.

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What if 5 years from now he's still owner cuz he keeps proposing sales the league doesn't accept and claims he's trying and the league is railroading him

Like u said life as a sun's fan ha.... man I hope we get a good owner and can move forward soooooon.

[Slim Charless]

Frank,

I noticed you said you used various words you shouldn't have. Well, I guess you need to sell your multi-billion dollar sports team as well.

What's that you say? You don't have a multi-billion dollar sports team. Well, what about your 10s of thousands of employees? Have any of them been angered by this?

Oh wait, you don't have 10,000+ employees?

So I guess you don't have much in common with Sarver as him being the leader of a billion dollar organization sets him to a higher level of attention. In short, he's not like the rest of us.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Can people change?

When was Sarver’s mot recent inappropriate comments/behavior?

Seems the past couple of years he’s been way in the back seat out of the spotlight. No coincidence he finally saddled up with a respectful professional in Jones. I doubt he was gleaning much from McDegenerate.

To label him a racist is implying that people can’t change. 5 + yrs ago he was schooled by Watson on the boundaries for use of the N word. Since then?? Even prior to then, just the mere utterance of the Caucasianly forbidden word gets you the big Racist label??? Call me a racist then. But, I also have complied to the current societal language rules. Furthermore, words don’t define thoughts. But they do define how others think of you.

I don’t know the details/time lines of his misogyny, but let’s just assume he turned over a new leaf and had a come to Jesus moment.

In fact may be it was that simple.

Any ‘new born Christians’ out there care to weigh in on their preChrist behavior?

Is this the way it is? Once a homophobe always a homophobe? Why bother with ‘sensitivity training’ then?

Point is, Sarver is being punished for what he did 5-10-15 yrs ago. That doesn’t define who he is now.

Except for you axgrinders.

There is a certain degree of vindictive dislike going on for this guy. For who he was may be.

It’s hard for me to imagine Jones or Williams working for the heinous bigot he is perceived as now. Hard for me to see LarryFitz pal-ling around with a chauvinistic douche. I’d imagine this entire experience has been quite humbling for Sarver.

I guess this board is just full of never do wrong saints. Guess you all are exactly the same person you were 10 years ago. Course, some of you were mere teens then I’m sure… which could explain the authoritarian judgements on this matter. Live long enough, you will be surprised how much you have to adapt, especially in the last 30 years.

For what it’s worth, I don’t really care about Sarver. It’s the righteous dog piling that is disappointing

Ahh yes finding something negative to post about some of the best news in suns franchise history. Never change Frank

My take is I don't give one **** what's fair for Bob I'm just happy he's gone. Hell even outside of all his **** behavior as a suns fan I wanted him gone because he's simply not wealthy enough to own a modern team. He should have cashed in years ago.

But this also falls under a general life rule: when you're a known prick and generally unlikable the knives will come out quickly if you give people any reason to stab you.

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[oddity]

Can people change?

When was Sarver’s mot recent inappropriate comments/behavior?

Seems the past couple of years he’s been way in the back seat out of the spotlight. No coincidence he finally saddled up with a respectful professional in Jones. I doubt he was gleaning much from McDegenerate.

To label him a racist is implying that people can’t change. 5 + yrs ago he was schooled by Watson on the boundaries for use of the N word. Since then?? Even prior to then, just the mere utterance of the Caucasianly forbidden word gets you the big Racist label??? Call me a racist then. But, I also have complied to the current societal language rules. Furthermore, words don’t define thoughts. But they do define how others think of you.

I don’t know the details/time lines of his misogyny, but let’s just assume he turned over a new leaf and had a come to Jesus moment.

In fact may be it was that simple.

Any ‘new born Christians’ out there care to weigh in on their preChrist behavior?

Is this the way it is? Once a homophobe always a homophobe? Why bother with ‘sensitivity training’ then?

Point is, Sarver is being punished for what he did 5-10-15 yrs ago. That doesn’t define who he is now.

Except for you axgrinders.

There is a certain degree of vindictive dislike going on for this guy. For who he was may be.

It’s hard for me to imagine Jones or Williams working for the heinous bigot he is perceived as now. Hard for me to see LarryFitz pal-ling around with a chauvinistic douche. I’d imagine this entire experience has been quite humbling for Sarver.

I guess this board is just full of never do wrong saints. Guess you all are exactly the same person you were 10 years ago. Course, some of you were mere teens then I’m sure… which could explain the authoritarian judgements on this matter. Live long enough, you will be surprised how much you have to adapt, especially in the last 30 years.

For what it’s worth, I don’t really care about Sarver. It’s the righteous dog piling that is disappointing

We don't have to be Christ-like on this. Dude had dozens of chances to correct his behavior over the years and never did. The threatening phone calls from his wife to Suns employees should be grounds for Sarver's removal alone, let alone compromising the entire HR department, sexually assaulting athletic trainers, and making inappropriate sexual comments about a player's wife. Also, I believe the last instance of Sarver using the N word on this report was like a year ago. Welp. so much for a changed man....

PS, you and I are not billionaire NBA team owners. When I was a dumb teen I said it here and there without racist intentions, as I'm sure many other white people have, but I was not a 60 y/o man who owned a mostly black basketball team in a mostly black league. There really is no excuse for his behavior, and if disregarding black people who have told you not to say it multiple times isn't extremely racially insensitive at the VERY LEAST, if not outright racist, idk what is.

[TheLoon]

oh Nooooooooo 10 mill is more than I'll make in my lifetime. Whatever will I do except not give a **** because it doesn't matter. Stay mature bro

Telling someone to stay mature and ending with "bro" delicious

[SSOL]

Can people change?

When was Sarver’s mot recent inappropriate comments/behavior?

Seems the past couple of years he’s been way in the back seat out of the spotlight. No coincidence he finally saddled up with a respectful professional in Jones. I doubt he was gleaning much from McDegenerate.

To label him a racist is implying that people can’t change. 5 + yrs ago he was schooled by Watson on the boundaries for use of the N word. Since then?? Even prior to then, just the mere utterance of the Caucasianly forbidden word gets you the big Racist label??? Call me a racist then. But, I also have complied to the current societal language rules. Furthermore, words don’t define thoughts. But they do define how others think of you.

I don’t know the details/time lines of his misogyny, but let’s just assume he turned over a new leaf and had a come to Jesus moment.

In fact may be it was that simple.

Any ‘new born Christians’ out there care to weigh in on their preChrist behavior?

Is this the way it is? Once a homophobe always a homophobe? Why bother with ‘sensitivity training’ then?

Point is, Sarver is being punished for what he did 5-10-15 yrs ago. That doesn’t define who he is now.

Except for you axgrinders.

There is a certain degree of vindictive dislike going on for this guy. For who he was may be.

It’s hard for me to imagine Jones or Williams working for the heinous bigot he is perceived as now. Hard for me to see LarryFitz pal-ling around with a chauvinistic douche. I’d imagine this entire experience has been quite humbling for Sarver.

I guess this board is just full of never do wrong saints. Guess you all are exactly the same person you were 10 years ago. Course, some of you were mere teens then I’m sure… which could explain the authoritarian judgements on this matter. Live long enough, you will be surprised how much you have to adapt, especially in the last 30 years.

For what it’s worth, I don’t really care about Sarver. It’s the righteous dog piling that is disappointing

It has been nothing short of eye opening to see the reactions to the unfolding of the Sarver events through the lense of older posters on this board (your words). It seems that some may perhaps see some of their older past behavior mirrored through some of the investigative findings and there is a level of self defensiveness that has come out as people in this community that were maybe once thought to be of like-mindedness are nothing of the sort. It’s truly fascinating.

Words like “righteous” and questions like “is it possible he has changed” have come up. Possible? Sure. Does it matter? No. The fact of the matter is that Sarver is unfit to own an NBA or WNBA team. Period. “Inappropriate” behavior? His conduct rose to levels above that. In your mind, what is the “appropriate” statute of limitations for such behavior to render appropriate accountability moot?

For society, at large, I hope Sarver has changed but that does not mean he should own the teams he owns. I appreciate your comments on adaptability and I hope that you continue to evolve as well.

[oddity]

oh Nooooooooo 10 mill is more than I'll make in my lifetime. Whatever will I do except not give a **** because it doesn't matter. Stay mature bro

Telling someone to stay mature and ending with "bro" delicious

In what universe is using the word "bro" less mature than trying to belittle someone for not being a millionaire? What's wrong with bro in general, bro?

[Puff]

It seems as though most of this stuff happened during the Lindsey Hunter - Earl Watson Era's. A time that I wish to forget and I expect that Mr. Sarver does as well. I probably dislike Earl Watson more than Sarver. I do know of anything good that Earl Watson brought to this franchise. While Sarver has done some of the dumbest things, he also has done some good things.

When Larry Fitzgerald purchased a small share of the team, I think Sarver cleaned up his act. Unfortunately for him it was too late.

In the end he made the mistakes not anyone else.

I am glad we are getting a new owner, we need a really good air freshener for this franchise.

[sunsbum]

I mean Sarver as long as he gets his money could stick us with the worst owner possible right? If he wanted to spite us and the league?

We are all thinking of the best case scenarios but Sarver has full control of the sell right?

League has a say but he could still stick is with some1 crappy if approved right?

As you said the league has to approve any new ownership group. I imagine there will be plenty of interest from buyers so the league can afford to be picky.

Like I was saying yesterday I understand as suns fans we expect the worst in everything but I truly think this is one case where we can be happy and optimistic.

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This. The league and the other owners have to approve of the sale. So Sarver can't sell the team to like say Trump for example. He has leeway, but it's limited. He has to be realistic.

Man. You really gotta let Trump go, you bring him up ever chance you get. It’s just a show brother. Theatre. All of them.

[enigmatics]

Man. You really gotta let Trump go, you bring him up ever chance you get. It’s just a show brother. Theatre. All of them.

The derangement is a real thing man.

Politics is professional wrestling.

[bigfoot]

“It’s tough for me because that’s not the Robert Sarver I know,” Booker said. “It’s not the Robert Sarver that welcomed me to Phoenix with open arms, but at the same time, I’m not insensitive to everybody that’s involved with the situation. I understand everyone’s personal experience with other people is always going to be different.”

[lilfishi22]

“It’s tough for me because that’s not the Robert Sarver I know,” Booker said. “It’s not the Robert Sarver that welcomed me to Phoenix with open arms, but at the same time, I’m not insensitive to everybody that’s involved with the situation. I understand everyone’s personal experience with other people is always going to be different.”

Fair approach to media questions on the Sarver situation. The people in actual basketball roles (coaching staff, players, trainers) are very often shielded from the day to day running of the basketball business and as such, it doesn't surprise me the basketball star, the guy getting paid tens of millions a year isn't wary of the culture of harassment in the office.