Game 19: Utah Jazz (12-9) @ Phoenix Suns (12-6) l Saturday l 7:00pm l BSAZ

[bigfoot]

What you quoted didn't have any numbers or stats, unless I'm blind. Then he clarified that he only expected DA to play hard and be engaged every game.

He said "he drops a grain of gold in a bucket of pyrate any everyone goes apeshat" which insinuates it was 1 good game in many...I posted career stats just to show his averages are solid....better than most all Cs. Only 1 C in the NBA has better career averages.

That was strictly to his comment. I didn't know what he would say in future ones...so your rebuttal didn't make sense in the string you responded to.

If he is clarifying he expects him to be engaged later, ok, but you were quoting a response typed up prior to seeing that.

You, TMK and SunsRback4Good all implied bigfoot wanted to see specific numbers when he didn't. He clarified yesterday (and again today) he did not expect 30/20 or 20/20 or any other stat you guys have implied.

I never understood the misrepresentation that DA critics expects him to be dominant statistically like David Robinson/Shaq or he sucks. To basically all Suns fan, that ship had sailed long long ago so to think his critics have that sort of lofty expectation is about as hilarious and disingenuous as it comes. It's a complete strawman you're attacking because no one is arguing at all that the expectations should be that he's a 25/15 guy.

Everyone has bad statistical games, that's normal. What isn't normal is inconsistent effort and focus which has been an issue that's plagued Ayton his whole career, which is bigfoot's whole point.

Hard to understand some people can't see this most obvious problem with Ayton. Instead, it always gets deflected with being upset about not drafting Doncic or expecting Giannis or Duncan-caliber play.

My tune with DA will change when he strings together a significant number of sustained-effort games. Of course, I'm not holding my breath after watching him coast through the first part of this season.

[bwgood77]

What you quoted didn't have any numbers or stats, unless I'm blind. Then he clarified that he only expected DA to play hard and be engaged every game.

He said "he drops a grain of gold in a bucket of pyrate any everyone goes apeshat" which insinuates it was 1 good game in many...I posted career stats just to show his averages are solid....better than most all Cs. Only 1 C in the NBA has better career averages.

That was strictly to his comment. I didn't know what he would say in future ones...so your rebuttal didn't make sense in the string you responded to.

If he is clarifying he expects him to be engaged later, ok, but you were quoting a response typed up prior to seeing that.

You, TMK and SunsRback4Good all implied bigfoot wanted to see specific numbers when he didn't. He clarified yesterday (and again today) he did not expect 30/20 or 20/20 or any other stat you guys have implied.

I never understood the misrepresentation that DA critics expects him to be dominant statistically like David Robinson/Shaq or he sucks. To basically all Suns fan, that ship had sailed long long ago so to think his critics have that sort of lofty expectation is about as hilarious and disingenuous as it comes. It's a complete strawman you're attacking because no one is arguing at all that the expectations should be that he's a 25/15 guy.

Everyone has bad statistical games, that's normal. What isn't normal is inconsistent effort and focus which has been an issue that's plagued Ayton his whole career, which is bigfoot's whole point.

I wasn't responding to anything you are saying, just that one line comment about how he had 1 good game. That's all I was responding to. I only mentioned his career averages to state how you can you have 16/10 for your career averages if you've had one good game?

That was the gist of my response to his comment insinuating he had 1 good game in a pile of **** games. Yes, then he backtracked and talked about effort and other stuff and Monty and media and Jones and the max and whatever else.

I wasn't responding to any of the effort posts he subsequently made...JUST THE ONE where he popped into the thread saying a DROP OF GOLD INTO A BUCKET OF PYRATE. You are making strawman by bringing up other stuff now. Why do I keep telling you the comment I was responding to and you go up and bring up other stuff other people were talking about in insert into this conversation? That's strawman. If you are not sure what strawman is, it is exactly what you have been doing in this back and forth where I responded to a one liner about a drop of gold (one good game). Again, I responded to his initial pop into the thread of "drop of gold into a pile of pyrate". I know he wasn't asking for #s but it was the way I demonstrated it couldn't be one good game (drop of gold) out of his games (pile of pyrate). He was using a metaphor if you're not sure what he meant with that.

I know he later backtracked, so I understand he then went to saying he sucked in half of his games, bringing more energy or playing an A game in 80% of them.

I'd love that for any player...to bring the type of energy Ayton brought the other night 80% of the time. Would be great for anyone on our team.

[lilfishi22]

He said "he drops a grain of gold in a bucket of pyrate any everyone goes apeshat" which insinuates it was 1 good game in many...I posted career stats just to show his averages are solid....better than most all Cs. Only 1 C in the NBA has better career averages.

That was strictly to his comment. I didn't know what he would say in future ones...so your rebuttal didn't make sense in the string you responded to.

If he is clarifying he expects him to be engaged later, ok, but you were quoting a response typed up prior to seeing that.

You, TMK and SunsRback4Good all implied bigfoot wanted to see specific numbers when he didn't. He clarified yesterday (and again today) he did not expect 30/20 or 20/20 or any other stat you guys have implied.

I never understood the misrepresentation that DA critics expects him to be dominant statistically like David Robinson/Shaq or he sucks. To basically all Suns fan, that ship had sailed long long ago so to think his critics have that sort of lofty expectation is about as hilarious and disingenuous as it comes. It's a complete strawman you're attacking because no one is arguing at all that the expectations should be that he's a 25/15 guy.

Everyone has bad statistical games, that's normal. What isn't normal is inconsistent effort and focus which has been an issue that's plagued Ayton his whole career, which is bigfoot's whole point.

I wasn't responding to anything you are saying, just that one line comment about how he had 1 good game. That's all I was responding to. I only mentioned his career averages to state how you can you have 16/10 for your career averages if you've had one good game?

That was the gist of my response to his comment insinuating he had 1 good game in a pile of **** games. Yes, then he backtracked and talked about effort and other stuff and Monty and media and Jones and the max and whatever else.

I wasn't responding to any of the effort posts he subsequently made...JUST THE ONE where he popped into the thread saying a DROP OF GOLD INTO A BUCKET OF PYRATE. You are making strawman by bringing up other stuff now. Why do I keep telling you the comment I was responding to and you go up and bring up other stuff other people were talking about in insert into this conversation? That's strawman. If you are not sure what strawman is, it is exactly what you have been doing in this back and forth where I responded to a one liner about a drop of gold (one good game). Again, I responded to his initial pop into the thread of "drop of gold into a pile of pyrate". I know he wasn't asking for #s but it was the way I demonstrated it couldn't be one good game (drop of gold) out of his games (pile of pyrate). He was using a metaphor if you're not sure what he meant with that.

I know he later backtracked, so I understand he then went to saying he sucked in half of his games, bringing more energy or playing an A game in 80% of them.

I'd love that for any player...to bring the type of energy Ayton brought the other night 80% of the time. Would be great for anyone on our team.

You built out an entire story based on one line which he had then clarified yesterday because others have suggested he's expecting uncommon elite production. C'mon BW, how am I the one creating the strawman lol? All I've said is that it's disingenuous to suggest Bigfoot had this fictitious statistical expectation of DA when he never mentioned a single statistic, not points, not rebounds. You and others were the ones who keep bringing up rebounding and scoring averages as if that was what he was expecting. Oh and who brought Luka into the discussion?

But for real, what did I make up? What's my strawman?

[bwgood77]

You, TMK and SunsRback4Good all implied bigfoot wanted to see specific numbers when he didn't. He clarified yesterday (and again today) he did not expect 30/20 or 20/20 or any other stat you guys have implied.

I never understood the misrepresentation that DA critics expects him to be dominant statistically like David Robinson/Shaq or he sucks. To basically all Suns fan, that ship had sailed long long ago so to think his critics have that sort of lofty expectation is about as hilarious and disingenuous as it comes. It's a complete strawman you're attacking because no one is arguing at all that the expectations should be that he's a 25/15 guy.

Everyone has bad statistical games, that's normal. What isn't normal is inconsistent effort and focus which has been an issue that's plagued Ayton his whole career, which is bigfoot's whole point.

I wasn't responding to anything you are saying, just that one line comment about how he had 1 good game. That's all I was responding to. I only mentioned his career averages to state how you can you have 16/10 for your career averages if you've had one good game?

That was the gist of my response to his comment insinuating he had 1 good game in a pile of **** games. Yes, then he backtracked and talked about effort and other stuff and Monty and media and Jones and the max and whatever else.

I wasn't responding to any of the effort posts he subsequently made...JUST THE ONE where he popped into the thread saying a DROP OF GOLD INTO A BUCKET OF PYRATE. You are making strawman by bringing up other stuff now. Why do I keep telling you the comment I was responding to and you go up and bring up other stuff other people were talking about in insert into this conversation? That's strawman. If you are not sure what strawman is, it is exactly what you have been doing in this back and forth where I responded to a one liner about a drop of gold (one good game). Again, I responded to his initial pop into the thread of "drop of gold into a pile of pyrate". I know he wasn't asking for #s but it was the way I demonstrated it couldn't be one good game (drop of gold) out of his games (pile of pyrate). He was using a metaphor if you're not sure what he meant with that.

I know he later backtracked, so I understand he then went to saying he sucked in half of his games, bringing more energy or playing an A game in 80% of them.

I'd love that for any player...to bring the type of energy Ayton brought the other night 80% of the time. Would be great for anyone on our team.

You built out an entire story based on one line which he had then clarified yesterday because others have suggested he's expecting uncommon elite production. C'mon BW, how am I the one creating the strawman lol? All I've said is that it's disingenuous to suggest Bigfoot had this fictitious statistical expectation of DA when he never mentioned a single statistic, not points, not rebounds. You and others were the ones who keep bringing up rebounding and scoring averages as if that was what he was expecting. Oh and who brought Luka into the discussion?

But for real, what did I make up? What's my strawman?

You are talking about later posts...again...you're pointing to the fact he clarified him. Fine..he did that but it had nothing to do with my response to madkant which quoted one line by bigfoot talking about how this was "1 good game" and he won't believe it until he sustains "it" for a whole season.

That was read by several people since he mentioned RIGHT after this game "that he won't buy it until he sees it or an ENTIRE season". He didn't say effort. Drop of gold in a bucket sounds more like 1 good game out of many than it did "one good effort out of many".

About Luka...I don't usually bring it into this like some others do, but it's fairly obvious being that he long whined about not drafting Luka years after the fact, while at the same time bashing Ayton every chance he gets for nearly 5 years without anything the other way. Typically you just don't hear a peep when he has solid stretches but he pops in on a bad shooting night and/or he doesn't get as many rebounds as usual. He even later mentioned him "coasting" to start the season when his motor was too high that he was getting into foul trouble, but still averaged like over 19ppg and 9rpg in his first 5 even with the foul trouble in the first 4. And ignores the fact he got injured and then reinjured and it was obvious that was bothering him.

Anyway, I get that you want to speak on behalf of him. It seems pretty clear that it wouldn't matter what Ayton did...he will not be happy as long as he is a Sun..not a fan...the opposite of a fan for him. Crystal clear.

He also later said something like he's never seen laser focus AND high motor for 20 straight games...something you don't see from any player lol.

[Desertfox]

Nobody is expecting that. But his effort, motor and focus should be sustained and that should lead to more impactful games, even if it isn't 30-20

Well, that’s what Bigfoot was implying with his comment.

No that's what you implied. Ayton has never brought even 20 straight games of laser-focus and high motor. He takes off too many games. No one here would ever question Bridges' effort. His stats may not be there but Bridges always brings 100% effort.

2021 playoffs say hi...