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2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2

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Suns are 16-12 and on a 5-game losing streak, which path do you think we should take?

Hope we get healthy, make trades to shore up this team and hope for a deep playoff run
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Pull a 2019-2020 Warriors stealth tank and comeback next season adding a prospect to the core
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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2301 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:13 pm

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You actually think the suns were the reason Durant isn't here? I don't believe one word about anyone being off limits, that's the kind of **** you leak after the fact to show some love for your guys. I don't think the Nets were ever interested in the suns package no matter what it was. Hell I don't think the Nets really earnestly tried to deal KD at all.

Kind of adds to my point about new owner/what Jones can do. We need to stop taking what is said so litterally, it's all a huge PR game.

Heck I think Jones shares my opinion about needing a second star with Booker. He went and got one in Paul and now that's Paul's aged out of that role he went hard after KD. It's too bad it didn't work out.

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I think the Nets asked for a godfather amount of picks and assets. Likely a deal where the Suns had to give up Bridges and Ayton, but the Suns weren't interested in that.

I don't take everything so literal I feel. I do agree it's a huge PR game. The Jazz mentioning they want to keep Clarkson, the Pistons wanting to keep Bojan, the Wizards wanting to keep Kuzma. All untrue IMO. Obviously a team can't really go out and say... hey yeah I want to trade those guys... because it lowers their value.


I don't think the Jazz ever really mentioned the Clarkson thing...I just read and heard time and time again, particularly from Zach Lowe (who is really the main guy I read), stuff like this...

“I’ve heard the same stuff that other people have reported that they are just super reluctant to move Clarkson. They’re really fond of him for whatever reason so I would peg him as the least likely of all these Jazz guys to get traded.”


That was right before the season before they were even good and then I read him mention it again lately, how much the owner LOVES Clarkson.

Honestly I think Ainge would move him in a heartbeat as he probably has different goals but the owner apparently loves him.

Of course anything is possible.

I do agree I never really thought the Nets were going to move KD. Of course I said as much...they had him under contract for 4 years...and could always move him later and that he wouldn't sit out.

I do think the Wizards definitely would trade Kuzma since they have at least a 50% chance of losing him in FA anyway. They may want to keep him but it's not entirely up to them. Really it makes sense for them to move him and get something for him unless they want to pay him and are 100% sure he will stay.

I have no idea about Bojan. I don't listen to much. Obviously I think they'd trade him in the right deal, but it is weird they just gave him a 2 year/$40 million extension if they want to trade him.
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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2302 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:36 pm

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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2303 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:47 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/videos/320366-latest-on-jae-crowder-market
Good listen at 3:00 minutes in for perspective on things. Also:

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2022/12/14/23507232/phoenix-suns-not-allowed-to-trade-a-first-round-pick-until-a-new-owner-is-in-place-jae-crowder
Suns can’t trade any future first round picks?
Insider Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report quotes a source as saying the Suns may not be able to commit to anything ‘long term’ until a new owner is in place and, in Pincus’ words, “that may only be an issue if the Suns have to give up first-round compensation.”

The Suns have all their draft picks going forward. Sure the picks might not be very high up (likely 25-30th overall), but a first round pick still has value. In the last two years, Jones has traded his 2020-2022 first round picks for Chris Paul, Landry Shamet and Torrey Craig.

If the Suns are stuck to trading only players for players, and not taking on any new significant future money either, that would seriously impact the Suns ability to improve the team this season and beyond.

Interim team governor Sam Garvin spoke to Duane Rankin of azcentral.com ($) and the Arizona Republic this week. Garvin — who’s been in the Suns partnership with Robert Sarver since 2004 — is handling day-to-day ownership duties this season while the suspended Sarver is trying to sell the team to the highest bidder. Looks like bids are already in the $3 billion range.

It’s quite possible Garvin and Sarver have decided that payroll and assets are in a holding pattern until a new owner is in place. That could mean GM James Jones has authority to make trades as long as the net result is basically the same money and future picks.


https://bvmsports.com/2022/12/14/suns-not-allowed-to-trade-a-first-round-pick-until-a-new-owner-is-in-place/

https://fansided.com/2022/12/14/suns-ownership-trade-deadline-approach/

Basically multiple reports from the same source Eric Pincus that's saying he's got his own league sources indicating broad sentiment on this too. It will be interesting to see what goes down in the coming week of the trade deadline! :nod:
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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2304 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:28 am

Celtics just lost to Orlando in Boston, trade everyone!!! Hurry!!


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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2305 » by sunskerr » Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:40 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Celtics just lost to Orlando in Boston, trade everyone!!! Hurry!!


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They have depth and assets and are the best team in the league. We don't have trade assets and depth.

This should not be a hard thing to comprehend.
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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2306 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:49 am

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Celtics just lost to Orlando in Boston, trade everyone!!! Hurry!!


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They have depth and assets and are the best team in the league. We don't have trade assets and depth.

This should not be a hard thing to comprehend.

I can guarantee if this board was a Celtics forum with the same users, many would be calling for a trade and to fire their head coach. Actually, I bet you their own fans are saying those same things right now.


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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2307 » by sunskerr » Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:00 am

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Celtics just lost to Orlando in Boston, trade everyone!!! Hurry!!


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They have depth and assets and are the best team in the league. We don't have trade assets and depth.

This should not be a hard thing to comprehend.

I can guarantee if this board was a Celtics forum with the same users, many would be calling for a trade and to fire their head coach. Actually, I bet you their own fans are saying those same things right now.


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Blanket statements and comparisons are only useful if you analyze underneath it and find actual similarities. If the two situations aren't similar then they are useless.

The reality of our two teams are different. One team actually has assets and depth. The other would be a team with limited assets. So in this case even if the fans are reacting the same, the comparison is null. The only thing we can say is that fans are complaining because of a loss, and that's it. There's no further implication.
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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2308 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:21 am

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They have depth and assets and are the best team in the league. We don't have trade assets and depth.

This should not be a hard thing to comprehend.

I can guarantee if this board was a Celtics forum with the same users, many would be calling for a trade and to fire their head coach. Actually, I bet you their own fans are saying those same things right now.


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Blanket statements and comparisons are only useful if you analyze underneath it and find actual similarities. If the two situations aren't similar then they are useless.

The reality of our two teams are different. One team actually has assets and depth. The other would be a team with limited assets. So in this case even if the fans are reacting the same, the comparison is null. The only thing we can say is that fans are complaining because of a loss, and that's it. There's no further implication.

You make it seem like the Suns are a crap team. They have plenty of assets (own picks and have valuable players). They also have one of the best coaches in the league. Yes, the Celtics are a more complete team right now but don’t think Suns aren’t that far off. Suns have a good young core and on long term deals. Comparing the two is fair imo.


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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2309 » by Sunlight » Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:46 am

I want Booker to do this kind of things. :banghead:

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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 2 

Post#2310 » by sunskerr » Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:51 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
sunskerr wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:I can guarantee if this board was a Celtics forum with the same users, many would be calling for a trade and to fire their head coach. Actually, I bet you their own fans are saying those same things right now.


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Blanket statements and comparisons are only useful if you analyze underneath it and find actual similarities. If the two situations aren't similar then they are useless.

The reality of our two teams are different. One team actually has assets and depth. The other would be a team with limited assets. So in this case even if the fans are reacting the same, the comparison is null. The only thing we can say is that fans are complaining because of a loss, and that's it. There's no further implication.

You make it seem like the Suns are a crap team. They have plenty of assets (own picks and have valuable players). They also have one of the best coaches in the league. Yes, the Celtics are a more complete team right now but don’t think Suns aren’t that far off. Suns have a good young core and on long term deals. Comparing the two is fair imo.


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We have

Paul
Booker
Mikal
Johnson
Ayton
Crowder

Boston has

Tatum
Brown
Smart
Robert Williams
Al Horford
Brogdon
White
Grant Williams

Their 6-8 (aka your playoff depth) is better than ours. We are not the same. They would have had Danilo Gallinari if his knee didn't explode too. I didn't include Payton Pritchard/Hauser or Cam Payne but they kind of cancel each other out. I think if you had Pritchard and Hauser on the Suns they'd easily get rotation minutes on a healthy team.

We are a bit hamstrung in the moves that we can make and probably need to hope for a cheap vet if we can't split Crowder + expiring into two players. If Okogie's defense is for real (he has a +3.2 project defensive +/- on 538, and a +7.2 draptor) and Monty actually plays him then that would really help our depth too.

Another thing to note is that the Celtics have two 20+ppg offensive creators and we only have one. This is massive difference especially come playoffs time. People are probably sick of hearing me talk about multiple creators but yeah...Its a pretty important thing.

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