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Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ

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Player/s who despise most on our team

Saric
5
20%
Payne
0
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Booker
0
No votes
Ayton
2
8%
Crowder
9
36%
CP3
2
8%
CamJ
1
4%
Shamet
6
24%
Bridges
0
No votes
Landale<<pls fellas I love him
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No votes
 
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Re: Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ 

Post#181 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 31, 2022 8:32 pm

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Saberestar wrote:Too much hate around here, come on...

Ayton has been pretty consistent in too many consecutive games and he played a very bad game tonight...and what? Yeah, he is not as good as Doncic, Captain Obvious, but he is yet a damn good starting C.

Probably as good as an All Star C in the next few years, IDK, but what I know is that Ayton is very good on both sides and we need him as our second option on offense.

The Raptors are one of the best defensive teams in the league. Scottie Barnes, Anunoby and Siakam together...THAT'S CRAZY. Defenders with quick hands are criptonite for Ayton, he needs to improve and accelerate his decision making.

CP3 with 20 points and 12 assists in front of S. Barnes is remarkable, people probably ignore that Barnes is very similar to a young Scottie Pippen...all-around point-forward that is gonna be a nightmare defensively for years to come.

I love that we fought for the win, but we lack depth. We are playing 2 two-way contracts consistent minutes, just think about it.


Yeah, it is amazing he can play a lot of very solid games in a row, putting up better #s in a stretch than most all but the best Cs, and then in one bad game, shooting far worse than ever, but with Ayton, you know that's a huge anomaly to shoot that poorly. That's not the case for anyone else on our team.

Yes, his effort wanes, but so does everyone else's at times, as you often see no one else contribution to the boards often, and many stand around on defense. We need to play with more urgency as a team, but even with that, we are simply missing too much talent to expect to win much.

I think going through this might be good for some of these players, realizing they have to step up and take more responsibilty, in that it will help when we do get healthy.


Key truths in huge print here! I mean seriously, everyone had to know how very small our margin for error was this year. Add to that all the ridiculous front office/ ownership distractions, free agency rumors, and injury issues plaguing us severely and on top of all that being already mentally shook from our demoralizing collapse to the Mavs and we're in total disharmony and chaos. The icing on the cake is the full gravity of understanding by both the players and front office, coaching staff etc that big changes are customary with most every ownership transition!

So basically none of the players or coaches can properly focus on their in game performances or focus in general as they're obviously all distracted by whether or not any of them will still be on the team in the coming months! Even though basketball IS THEIR JOB, the logistics of the coming imminent changes both to the roster and front office has them completely disengaged from the chemistry they worked to establish over such a long period of time. It's just not easy to focus/ invest in your work when you don't know if the new boss plans to fire or replace you! Can't find motivation with all of these uncertainties looming overhead! Book has been able to remain locked in because contractually he's pretty much cemented himself here as a long term fixture.

Sorry to say there's just too many uncertainties, injuries, issues unaddressed with too little time left to legitimately salvage our early in the year lofty postseason goals. Whatever's left will settle once things become restabilized with more this coming summer and into next preseason. :nod:
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Re: Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ 

Post#182 » by SkyBill40 » Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:47 pm

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I agree but in order for that to happen Scoot needs to drop to our spot otherwise we may draft another Jalen Smith since a pf is moreeeee necessary than a true pg. cant believe Haliburton isn’t learning from Chris now.
Jones doesn't draft well regardless. if Wembayana were available, he'd probably take someone else.

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Re: Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ 

Post#183 » by kennydorglas » Sat Dec 31, 2022 10:12 pm

Hopefully the new owners aren't MICHIGAN STATE homers like Sarver.
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Re: Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ 

Post#184 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Dec 31, 2022 10:21 pm

kennydorglas wrote:Hopefully the new owners aren't MICHIGAN STATE homers like Sarver.


Matt is going to recruit Draymond given his MSU connections. Welcome to the Suns Draymond Green!
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Re: Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ 

Post#185 » by Qwigglez » Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:57 pm

Ayton missed shots. He probably could have been more aggressive, but then he would have been forcing even more difficult shots, and he was already experiencing a heavy dose of higher degree difficult shots in this game then he normally would. The Raptors just did a very good job of gameplanning around Ayton.
Very first possession, the Suns fed Ayton down low with the four guys spread at the three and he had Barnes on him. The Raptors immediately swarmed him, literally four guys and Barnes got a piece of the ball while Ayton was going up.
Next Ayton shot was a PnR with CP3, and Ayton missed one of his easy patented hook shots on Boucher, the ball just rimmed out.
Third possession, Anunoby on Ayton on the left block. Ayton did a fade away shot going baseline and made that.
Ayton missed a lefty layup, Barnes was defending. Four shots in the 1st quarter, 3 of them being misses. 2 of them are really Ayton's bread and butter but sometimes those happen.
2nd quarter, Ayton has Barnes in the post on the right block. Ayton spins to the baseline and GTJ swiped the ball (looked like a foul to me). Ayton is upset that he didn't get a call.
Ayton has position in the paint on Koloko (I think) he misses the hook shot with two guys on him, ball rims outs.
Third quarter Ayton misses another easy hook on Barnes. Ayton recognizes he has to make quick decisions, so he just shoots over the top of Barnes. Teen feet out, so perhaps a foot or two closer and that's easy money.
Ayton gets the ball at the top of the key takes a dribble into the paint and makes the driving floating jump shot.
Last shot Ayton takes when the score is 101-104, he gets the ball in the post against Barnes. Gets triple-teamed but takes the hook shot anyway and misses again.

Keep in mind these are shots Ayton took. The shots Ayton didn't take is because he was double or tripled teamed. I don't remember Ayton passing up easy shots.
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Re: Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ 

Post#186 » by Qwigglez » Sun Jan 1, 2023 12:32 am

Also, it's easy for the Raptors to just make life difficult for Ayton. I think if I'm the opposing team, I allow players like Craig, Okogie, Wainright, and Dario to shoot all the threes they want (they went 6-13). Lee probably should have been more assertive trying to get more shots since he was 2-2 from 3 in the first half. I think even having Shamet would have been a difference in this game.
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Re: Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ 

Post#187 » by Puff » Sun Jan 1, 2023 1:52 am

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Or Scoot learning from Chris Paul next season and becoming a better version of prime Derrick Rose for us....


Maybe someone will give us the number 1 pick in the draft for your boy Ayton.

I expect Toronto would love him.

How did Monty do him wrong tonight???????

I know you will make up some shiiiiiit to cover up for him. BW made a great effort by sort of blaming CP3 for the loss. CP3 had his issues and the 8 second call sucked but he also tried to win the game. He was gassed at the end of that game but who was to take his place. Landale and Saric outplayed Dominayton badly.


You think Toronto wants to offer a first for him after that game? I doubt their mouths are watering. CP3 killed a prime opportunity down by 3 with the ball...a complete dumbfounding lazy mistake and had 6 turnovers.

Ayton had a horrible game and didn't help, after being great the last 6 games and most of the last month and a half, but turnovers also cost us, something everyone contributed too..between Craig, Washington and Lee they had another 10 in addition to Paul's 6.


In yours and the other Ayton apologist's world it is always someone else's fault. AYTON IS THE FOOOKING NUMBER 1 OPTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. HE CRAPPED THE BED - PERIOD.

I was being facetious on Toronto wanting him. I doubt anyone will return crap in return for him. He better start producing winning basketball not just numbers or we are going to struggle for 3 years after this one. How many victories has he produced (While being great in the 6 previous games) your words not mine. Nothing matters except for victories.

Stop it on CP3, after the first inbound pass for that possession, Ayton threw the ball away trying to make a pass up the court. That helped create the 8 second violation. I guess you missed that. Why not point out the horrible pass that Ayton made?

Bridges -20 (Why no mention about the ghost) Nice defensive job on Gary Trent who went for 33.
Ayton -18
Paul - 9

Lots of blame to go around. We should have won that game, even with all of our injuries. When we win again is anyone guess.
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Re: Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ 

Post#188 » by Slim Charless » Sun Jan 1, 2023 2:01 am

Puff wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Puff wrote:
Maybe someone will give us the number 1 pick in the draft for your boy Ayton.

I expect Toronto would love him.

How did Monty do him wrong tonight???????

I know you will make up some shiiiiiit to cover up for him. BW made a great effort by sort of blaming CP3 for the loss. CP3 had his issues and the 8 second call sucked but he also tried to win the game. He was gassed at the end of that game but who was to take his place. Landale and Saric outplayed Dominayton badly.


You think Toronto wants to offer a first for him after that game? I doubt their mouths are watering. CP3 killed a prime opportunity down by 3 with the ball...a complete dumbfounding lazy mistake and had 6 turnovers.

Ayton had a horrible game and didn't help, after being great the last 6 games and most of the last month and a half, but turnovers also cost us, something everyone contributed too..between Craig, Washington and Lee they had another 10 in addition to Paul's 6.


In yours and the other Ayton apologist's world it is always someone else's fault. AYTON IS THE FOOOKING NUMBER 1 OPTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. HE CRAPPED THE BED - PERIOD.

I was being facetious on Toronto wanting him. I doubt anyone will return crap in return for him. He better start producing winning basketball not just numbers or we are going to struggle for 3 years after this one. How many victories has he produced (While being great in the 6 previous games) your words not mine. Nothing matters except for victories.

Stop it on CP3, after the first inbound pass for that possession, Ayton threw the ball away trying to make a pass up the court. That helped create the 8 second violation. I guess you missed that. Why not point out the horrible pass that Ayton made?

Bridges -20 (Why no mention about the ghost) Nice defensive job on Gary Trent who went for 33.
Ayton -18
Paul - 9

Lots of blame to go around. We should have won that game, even with all of our injuries. When we win again is anyone guess.


I bash Ayton all the time.

Facts remain that this is all Moronty's fault. It's his crappy defensive plan, it's his crappy offensive plan, it's his crappy late game adjustments, it's his crappy timeout usage and last of all its his crappy decision and lack of ability to put our best players in the best situations to succeed.

That game against NOP that we won, wasn't cause of Moronty coaching. It was Booker caught fire and was unstoppable.

You wanna place some blame? Place it where it belongs:


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Re: Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) & Toronto Raptors (15-20) l Friday l 5:30 l BSAZ 

Post#189 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:03 am

Puff wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Puff wrote:
Maybe someone will give us the number 1 pick in the draft for your boy Ayton.

I expect Toronto would love him.

How did Monty do him wrong tonight???????

I know you will make up some shiiiiiit to cover up for him. BW made a great effort by sort of blaming CP3 for the loss. CP3 had his issues and the 8 second call sucked but he also tried to win the game. He was gassed at the end of that game but who was to take his place. Landale and Saric outplayed Dominayton badly.


You think Toronto wants to offer a first for him after that game? I doubt their mouths are watering. CP3 killed a prime opportunity down by 3 with the ball...a complete dumbfounding lazy mistake and had 6 turnovers.

Ayton had a horrible game and didn't help, after being great the last 6 games and most of the last month and a half, but turnovers also cost us, something everyone contributed too..between Craig, Washington and Lee they had another 10 in addition to Paul's 6.


In yours and the other Ayton apologist's world it is always someone else's fault. AYTON IS THE FOOOKING NUMBER 1 OPTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. HE CRAPPED THE BED - PERIOD.

I was being facetious on Toronto wanting him. I doubt anyone will return crap in return for him. He better start producing winning basketball not just numbers or we are going to struggle for 3 years after this one. How many victories has he produced (While being great in the 6 previous games) your words not mine. Nothing matters except for victories.

Stop it on CP3, after the first inbound pass for that possession, Ayton threw the ball away trying to make a pass up the court. That helped create the 8 second violation. I guess you missed that. Why not point out the horrible pass that Ayton made?

Bridges -20 (Why no mention about the ghost) Nice defensive job on Gary Trent who went for 33.
Ayton -18
Paul - 9

Lots of blame to go around. We should have won that game, even with all of our injuries. When we win again is anyone guess.


You're blaming Ayton for Paul's 8 second violation? When Paul had to go a SHORTER distance in 8 seconds? He didn't throw it away...it got tipped out by the other team. Why do you think it was our ball?

As for wins, our roster SUCKS right now. It's worse than the early years Book was the #1 option. I don't know how you expect to win when we have like half of our rotation and missing our best player. I said even before Booker was injured that we were going to face a very tough schedule and have a lot of losses and have said right now that we can't even put a lineup out there that is as good as any team outside of maybe Detroit and SA.

You are right, Ayton crapped the bed...it was his worst shooting game. He normally is one of the most efficient guys in the league. Go ahead and blame him every night, even if he has 25-30 pts and 10-14 boards.

But if you expect this roster to be a winning team as depleted as it is, then you will be disappointed. At least you have your scapegoat in Ayton.

I actually really like Monty and think he takes too much criticism but if you are going to have to lay blame when a team this depleted can't win, you have to start with the coach. I don't blame him because he doesn't have enough overall talent with all the injuries and Crowder sitting at home.

But yes, once again, as I've said a few times now, Ayton sucked and it was his worst game. Does that mean I can't be dumbfounded that Paul made a rookie mistake down 3 with the ball? It is crazy you blame even that on Ayton...that wasn't part of his crappy game. But that unbelievable mistake in addition to 6 turnovers from Paul, leading the way on a very sloppy night was awful. The team was so sloppy with the ball and he was the leader setting the tone with that.
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