Suns sign Bismack Biyombo

[bwgood77]

Well Biz is contesting 16.7 2pt per 48 and opp are shooting -14.9% at the rim.
for context Jock is contesting 13.6 2pt per 48 and opp are shooting -7.4% at the rim.
Deandre is contesting 11.7 2pt per 48 and opp are shooting -3% at the rim.

or if we want to give the rest the league a chance...
only brook lopez and walker kessler contest more 2pt than Biz and have at least -10% at the rim as well.
this is pretty crazy tbh

Yeah, I actually at first looked at per 48 but I think that is very misleading when you have high energy guys off the bench compared to 30-35 mpg starters. Everyone always talked about McGee's energy and now Biz', but they usually play very limited minutes in comparison and simply wouldn't be able to do that for 30 mpg, so you can't really use those #s for a fair comparison.

Also playing against starters and stars, it's a lot harder to force them into bad shots than crappy backups.

[lilfishi22]

That stat that I look at a lot for effort for a center is blocks. Ayton has played a total of 1,807 minutes this season and only has 47 total blocks for the season. Bizzy has played a total of 763 minutes and has 73 blocks for the season. Ayton has been terrible at protecting the rim. With a limited role DA will have going forward, he has to be better there.

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But you are talking about a guy who has had blocks as is calling card since coming in. People always got over excited about him early because of his block #s. I remember Kerrsed wanting him.

I honestly think that Ayton has been coached NOT to go for blocks because it leads to too many fouls, which always hurt the shot blockers like Mitch Robinson, JJJ and Turner. And it is VERY hard to go for blocks AND stay in position. Brook Lopez contesting more shots than anyone, is far more important than someone who gets blocks and doesn't contest.

Anyway, Ayton still needs to get back to where he was contesting shots too. 2 years ago he ranked 5th, and last year he was 7th, and now he has fallen out of top 10 this year. Still ahead of a lot of guys like Capela, Adebayo, Robert Williams, Sabonis, Nurkic, Adams, Robinson, Jokic, Vucevic, Towns, and a bunch of others, just not as top tier.

I don't care about blocks but he needs to get back to contesting more shots since we know he can. Sometimes contesting works out better than blocks anyway because you force a miss and your team gets the board where sometimes blocks go back to other team or out of bounds and to other team.

Come on, man. No one is telling Ayton to not block shots. That doesn’t make any sense.

I also hear a lot on this forum about a block being an overrated stat to prove a player is a good defender. Someone point me a shot blocker who is considered a bad defender? You guys will say anything to give Ayton a pass for something he should be doing.


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A good defender is a good defender regardless of whether they block a bunch of shots or not. It's like a steal means you've taken the ball off the other player but if you're a good defender, it doesn't necessarily matter if you have a high steal rate or not. It's one aspect of defense

Before this season, DA was a really good defender. Super versatile and really put in work on Jokic in the playoffs for example. That didn't come with a high block rate but it was clear how good he was defensively.

[kennydorglas]

But you are talking about a guy who has had blocks as is calling card since coming in. People always got over excited about him early because of his block #s. I remember Kerrsed wanting him.

I honestly think that Ayton has been coached NOT to go for blocks because it leads to too many fouls, which always hurt the shot blockers like Mitch Robinson, JJJ and Turner. And it is VERY hard to go for blocks AND stay in position. Brook Lopez contesting more shots than anyone, is far more important than someone who gets blocks and doesn't contest.

Anyway, Ayton still needs to get back to where he was contesting shots too. 2 years ago he ranked 5th, and last year he was 7th, and now he has fallen out of top 10 this year. Still ahead of a lot of guys like Capela, Adebayo, Robert Williams, Sabonis, Nurkic, Adams, Robinson, Jokic, Vucevic, Towns, and a bunch of others, just not as top tier.

I don't care about blocks but he needs to get back to contesting more shots since we know he can. Sometimes contesting works out better than blocks anyway because you force a miss and your team gets the board where sometimes blocks go back to other team or out of bounds and to other team.

Come on, man. No one is telling Ayton to not block shots. That doesn’t make any sense.

I also hear a lot on this forum about a block being an overrated stat to prove a player is a good defender. Someone point me a shot blocker who is considered a bad defender? You guys will say anything to give Ayton a pass for something he should be doing.


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A good defender is a good defender regardless of whether they block a bunch of shots or not. It's like a steal means you've taken the ball off the other player but if you're a good defender, it doesn't necessarily matter if you have a high steal rate or not. It's one aspect of defense

Before this season, DA was a really good defender. Super versatile and really put in work on Jokic in the playoffs for example. That didn't come with a high block rate but it was clear how good he was defensively.

that game 3 perfomance against jokic sold us dreams
too bad this guy never showed up again

[kennydorglas]

Well Biz is contesting 16.7 2pt per 48 and opp are shooting -14.9% at the rim.
for context Jock is contesting 13.6 2pt per 48 and opp are shooting -7.4% at the rim.
Deandre is contesting 11.7 2pt per 48 and opp are shooting -3% at the rim.

or if we want to give the rest the league a chance...
only brook lopez and walker kessler contest more 2pt than Biz and have at least -10% at the rim as well.
this is pretty crazy tbh

Yeah, I actually at first looked at per 48 but I think that is very misleading when you have high energy guys off the bench compared to 30-35 mpg starters. Everyone always talked about McGee's energy and now Biz', but they usually play very limited minutes in comparison and simply wouldn't be able to do that for 30 mpg, so you can't really use those #s for a fair comparison.

Also playing against starters and stars, it's a lot harder to force them into bad shots than crappy backups.

but biz is fresh of holding embiid to a 5/14 tho
sadly all hustle stats needs to be looked at for per48 otherwise u cant really gauge if the guy is actually putting up work or not.

[bwgood77]

But you are talking about a guy who has had blocks as is calling card since coming in. People always got over excited about him early because of his block #s. I remember Kerrsed wanting him.

I honestly think that Ayton has been coached NOT to go for blocks because it leads to too many fouls, which always hurt the shot blockers like Mitch Robinson, JJJ and Turner. And it is VERY hard to go for blocks AND stay in position. Brook Lopez contesting more shots than anyone, is far more important than someone who gets blocks and doesn't contest.

Anyway, Ayton still needs to get back to where he was contesting shots too. 2 years ago he ranked 5th, and last year he was 7th, and now he has fallen out of top 10 this year. Still ahead of a lot of guys like Capela, Adebayo, Robert Williams, Sabonis, Nurkic, Adams, Robinson, Jokic, Vucevic, Towns, and a bunch of others, just not as top tier.

I don't care about blocks but he needs to get back to contesting more shots since we know he can. Sometimes contesting works out better than blocks anyway because you force a miss and your team gets the board where sometimes blocks go back to other team or out of bounds and to other team.

Come on, man. No one is telling Ayton to not block shots. That doesn’t make any sense.

I also hear a lot on this forum about a block being an overrated stat to prove a player is a good defender. Someone point me a shot blocker who is considered a bad defender? You guys will say anything to give Ayton a pass for something he should be doing.


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A good defender is a good defender regardless of whether they block a bunch of shots or not. It's like a steal means you've taken the ball off the other player but if you're a good defender, it doesn't necessarily matter if you have a high steal rate or not. It's one aspect of defense

Before this season, DA was a really good defender. Super versatile and really put in work on Jokic in the playoffs for example. That didn't come with a high block rate but it was clear how good he was defensively.

I see Diddy asked about someone with a lot of blocks being a bad defender. Happens often. Hassan Whiteside, for example, was a monster with blocks. The best. But the team defense was always far worse with him on the floor. Much worse.

[Saberestar]

Good news.

Just talked with Bismack Biyombo before the game.

He had just ice on the right knee, was walking fine and sounds confident about returning in time for the playoffs.

Out tonight with right knee bone bruise.

Story incoming.

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