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Re: NBA PLAYOFFS: GAME 2: Los Angeles Clippers @ Phoenix Suns (LAC leads 1-0) | Tuesday | 7:30 PM 

Post#681 » by Qwigglez » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:04 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
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lilfishi22 wrote:You talk about watching box scores and then bring up Lee's 3P% which was essentially carried by his early season shooting. The guy was a few % points above league average since the start of the new year and he does nothing but shoot out there. He can't handle the ball and his defense is sub par. We need guys with more versatility.

My argument is that Shamet is just as bad at both of those things as Lee is. Except 3pt shooting wise, even at the lower % since the beginning of the new year he’s still much better than Shamet. Maybe defensively he’s slightly better than Lee but that’s it. And even then it’s not a big difference because yesterday every single minute that Shamet was on the court, Clippers were trying to have his guy set a screen for Kawhi or Westbrook to get Shamet guarding one of them because he’s the worst defender on the court. And I wasn’t accusing you of only boxscore watching btw, I was simply asking…I don’t watch every single game and sometimes just go by the box score myself. Not an insult.

I think we both agree Shamet minutes should be greatly reduced, preferably to low single digits if at all. What I've been saying is that Okogie does everything Shamet does currently so it doesn't make sense to have Shamet in there at all if he's not even shooting the ball much or at a high clip. I just don't think Lee should get minutes because he just doesn't do enough outside of shoot.


I rewatched Game 2 and actually thought Shamet didn't look completely lost out there and provided some level of competency. While I wish he could maybe score a handful of buckets a game I am not going to blast him for his performance in Game 2 as I saw a few solid defensive plays from him. I will agree though that I think Okogie could do a much better job, since he at least hit a three in Game 2. Additionally, he can attack the paint and draw fouls which is something not many of the Suns players are capable of doing.
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Re: NBA PLAYOFFS: GAME 2: Los Angeles Clippers @ Phoenix Suns (LAC leads 1-0) | Tuesday | 7:30 PM 

Post#682 » by bwgood77 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:35 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Pretty dumb how people on this board that have no idea what’s going on within the team are talking about rotations. A reminder that when a team loses, rotations are always questioned, doesn’t matter how great the coach is. It’s so dumb and I’m tired of it. Makes this board difficult to read.

None of us are NBA coaches. None of us have any idea how difficult it is.

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It's always funny to me that if we lose a VERY close game that could have gone either way with a couple of possessions how much blame Monty and sometimes others get, but that same game with a couple of made baskets or plays gone the other way down the stretch, everything is fine with that stuff and we are looking great.

Westbrook was a menace in game 1, especially down the stretch. I agree that Shamet shouldn't get as many minutes, but I can't say how we'd play if it was someone else. Who knows? Maybe they like someone who can handle. He also really hustles on D and plays hard. Known as a shooter too they probably don't want to leave him completely open. You could say the same about Ross but he can't play D.
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Re: NBA PLAYOFFS: GAME 2: Los Angeles Clippers @ Phoenix Suns (LAC leads 1-0) | Tuesday | 7:30 PM 

Post#683 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:28 pm

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Revived wrote:My argument is that Shamet is just as bad at both of those things as Lee is. Except 3pt shooting wise, even at the lower % since the beginning of the new year he’s still much better than Shamet. Maybe defensively he’s slightly better than Lee but that’s it. And even then it’s not a big difference because yesterday every single minute that Shamet was on the court, Clippers were trying to have his guy set a screen for Kawhi or Westbrook to get Shamet guarding one of them because he’s the worst defender on the court. And I wasn’t accusing you of only boxscore watching btw, I was simply asking…I don’t watch every single game and sometimes just go by the box score myself. Not an insult.

I think we both agree Shamet minutes should be greatly reduced, preferably to low single digits if at all. What I've been saying is that Okogie does everything Shamet does currently so it doesn't make sense to have Shamet in there at all if he's not even shooting the ball much or at a high clip. I just don't think Lee should get minutes because he just doesn't do enough outside of shoot.


I rewatched Game 2 and actually thought Shamet didn't look completely lost out there and provided some level of competency. While I wish he could maybe score a handful of buckets a game I am not going to blast him for his performance in Game 2 as I saw a few solid defensive plays from him. I will agree though that I think Okogie could do a much better job, since he at least hit a three in Game 2. Additionally, he can attack the paint and draw fouls which is something not many of the Suns players are capable of doing.

G2 he was decent but if we're looking game by game, was he better than Okogie? I don't think so. I think Shamet can still get minutes but I think the bulk of his minutes should go to guys like Ross or TJ or more to Okogie. If we're giving decent bench minutes to someone, I want it to be for someone with some productive upside. It's 2 games now and 38min of court time, all he's been able to muster is 4pts, 2rbs, 3 assists and 0 of 3 from range.

Okogie in almost half the minutes has put up 7pts, 4rbs, 2 assists and went 1 of 3 from range, while playing great defense.
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Re: NBA PLAYOFFS: GAME 2: Los Angeles Clippers @ Phoenix Suns (LAC leads 1-0) | Tuesday | 7:30 PM 

Post#684 » by bwgood77 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:45 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I think we both agree Shamet minutes should be greatly reduced, preferably to low single digits if at all. What I've been saying is that Okogie does everything Shamet does currently so it doesn't make sense to have Shamet in there at all if he's not even shooting the ball much or at a high clip. I just don't think Lee should get minutes because he just doesn't do enough outside of shoot.


I rewatched Game 2 and actually thought Shamet didn't look completely lost out there and provided some level of competency. While I wish he could maybe score a handful of buckets a game I am not going to blast him for his performance in Game 2 as I saw a few solid defensive plays from him. I will agree though that I think Okogie could do a much better job, since he at least hit a three in Game 2. Additionally, he can attack the paint and draw fouls which is something not many of the Suns players are capable of doing.

G2 he was decent but if we're looking game by game, was he better than Okogie? I don't think so. I think Shamet can still get minutes but I think the bulk of his minutes should go to guys like Ross or TJ or more to Okogie. If we're giving decent bench minutes to someone, I want it to be for someone with some productive upside. It's 2 games now and 38min of court time, all he's been able to muster is 4pts, 2rbs, 3 assists and 0 of 3 from range.

Okogie in almost half the minutes has put up 7pts, 4rbs, 2 assists and went 1 of 3 from range, while playing great defense.


We sure are talking ab ot about Ross, TJ and Okogie.

I'm just glad Craig is balling and nailing 3s..we've needed that. Anything from those other guys or Shamet is a bonus. Hopefully one can step up.
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Re: NBA PLAYOFFS: GAME 2: Los Angeles Clippers @ Phoenix Suns (LAC leads 1-0) | Tuesday | 7:30 PM 

Post#685 » by Qwigglez » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:12 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I think we both agree Shamet minutes should be greatly reduced, preferably to low single digits if at all. What I've been saying is that Okogie does everything Shamet does currently so it doesn't make sense to have Shamet in there at all if he's not even shooting the ball much or at a high clip. I just don't think Lee should get minutes because he just doesn't do enough outside of shoot.


I rewatched Game 2 and actually thought Shamet didn't look completely lost out there and provided some level of competency. While I wish he could maybe score a handful of buckets a game I am not going to blast him for his performance in Game 2 as I saw a few solid defensive plays from him. I will agree though that I think Okogie could do a much better job, since he at least hit a three in Game 2. Additionally, he can attack the paint and draw fouls which is something not many of the Suns players are capable of doing.

G2 he was decent but if we're looking game by game, was he better than Okogie? I don't think so. I think Shamet can still get minutes but I think the bulk of his minutes should go to guys like Ross or TJ or more to Okogie. If we're giving decent bench minutes to someone, I want it to be for someone with some productive upside. It's 2 games now and 38min of court time, all he's been able to muster is 4pts, 2rbs, 3 assists and 0 of 3 from range.

Okogie in almost half the minutes has put up 7pts, 4rbs, 2 assists and went 1 of 3 from range, while playing great defense.


I am certainly not saying Shamet should be getting minutes over Okogie at all. Just wanted to point out I didn't think Shamet looked bad out there in Game 2. I guess I didn't really mention how I thought Okogie looked besides scoring a 3. I think Okogie looked a lot better than Shamet out there and the rest of the guys on the floor looked more comfortable with Okogie too. I would prefer Okogie get the bulk of Shamet's minutes.

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