Swap Tatum with Booker, what does Bookers stats look like?

[KingofTheClay]

Imagine you put Devin Booker on the Celtics in lieu of Tatum.

Booker already seems to be averaging highly efficient stats with aging/dysfunctional rosters. (61% TS in the playoffs vs Tatums 57%, 48+% FG from midrange vs Tatums 39.5%, 1.06 PPP as PnR ball handler, elite finishing at the rim albeit on lower volume).

Man I shudder to think how badly Boston obliterates teams offensively with Booker at the head of the snake. Gets to pass to exceptional off ball players, all of whom can shoot, all of whom can help defend and let Booker pace himself on offense, all of whom can cut to the rim.

I can’t imagine but think that a truly elite offensive player like Booker would put up batshiet insane numbers in a system like Boston. Like 67+% TS and scoring wise opponents are obliterated into oblivion. Probably lose 1 game max in the postseason and most of the wins have a differential of atleast 10-12+.

Thoughts?


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[SkyBill40]

I dunno. I think that Tatum is much more athletic and has better physical tools in general. While Booker is a better pure shooter, I couldn't say as to whether swapping them out would result in a significantly greater net positive than where they presently reside. He might net 4-6 additional wins as far as differential goes.

Now, personally speaking, I think Booker is a bit overrated and somewhat inconsistent, especially in high pressure situations as evidenced by his collapses against DAL in the playoffs and MIL in the finals. He has a tendency to make poor ballhandling decisions and will cough the ball up with regularity against aggressive doubles. He also has a tendency to overplay a possession and will commit plainly stupid fouls when he is beaten by a defender.

I am often left to wonder where the Suns would be had they been able to take Tatum instead of that moron of a dude in Josh Jackson.

[RaisingArizona]

We got the guy we wanted in Josh Jackson

[KdoubleDees23]

Booker > Tatum

[KingofTheClay]

I dunno. I think that Tatum is much more athletic and has better physical tools in general. While Booker is a better pure shooter, I couldn't say as to whether swapping them out would result in a significantly greater net positive than where they presently reside. He might net 4-6 additional wins as far as differential goes.

Now, personally speaking, I think Booker is a bit overrated and somewhat inconsistent, especially in high pressure situations as evidenced by his collapses against DAL in the playoffs and MIL in the finals. He has a tendency to make poor ballhandling decisions and will cough the ball up with regularity against aggressive doubles. He also has a tendency to overplay a possession and will commit plainly stupid fouls when he is beaten by a defender.

I am often left to wonder where the Suns would be had they been able to take Tatum instead of that moron of a dude in Josh Jackson.

Interesting.

I agree Booker is not infallible but Tatum is prone to similar things. 2023 Heat series he was a turnover machine when blitzed down the stretch. 2022 GSW final.

In terms of performance in high pressure situations, Booker put up 28 ppg on 55% TS while hounded by Jrue in the finals, with his supporting cast disappearing half the games. Tatum has been on well crafted units, and in all 11 of his finals games, in aggregate, is averaging 49% TS on 4+ TOV/game.

I mean I think the gap offensively between the two is pretty big. Booker is putting up more efficient stats on higher volume while playing on worse teams.

Tatum is a versatile very good defender but he’s no Kawhi or Giannis or AD or Bam. So Im not sure Tatums advantage there makes up for the considerable gap on offense. Only against certain niche matchups like Dallas or OKC would Tatum be preferable for his defensive versatility


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[SkyBill40]

We got the guy we wanted in Josh Jackson

Maybe who the FO wanted, but not the player the FANS wanted. Jackson was bad right from the start and I'm sure the regret in drafting him was immediate.

[SkyBill40]

I dunno. I think that Tatum is much more athletic and has better physical tools in general. While Booker is a better pure shooter, I couldn't say as to whether swapping them out would result in a significantly greater net positive than where they presently reside. He might net 4-6 additional wins as far as differential goes.

Now, personally speaking, I think Booker is a bit overrated and somewhat inconsistent, especially in high pressure situations as evidenced by his collapses against DAL in the playoffs and MIL in the finals. He has a tendency to make poor ballhandling decisions and will cough the ball up with regularity against aggressive doubles. He also has a tendency to overplay a possession and will commit plainly stupid fouls when he is beaten by a defender.

I am often left to wonder where the Suns would be had they been able to take Tatum instead of that moron of a dude in Josh Jackson.

Interesting.

I agree Booker is not infallible but Tatum is prone to similar things. 2023 Heat series he was a turnover machine when blitzed down the stretch. 2022 GSW final.

In terms of performance in high pressure situations, Booker put up 28 ppg on 55% TS while hounded by Jrue in the finals, with his supporting cast disappearing half the games. Tatum has been on well crafted units, and in all 11 of his finals games, in aggregate, is averaging 49% TS on 4+ TOV/game.

I mean I think the gap offensively between the two is pretty big. Booker is putting up more efficient stats on worse teams. Tatum is a versatile very good defender but hes no Kawhi. Im not sure Tatums advantage there makes up for the considerable gap on offense. Only against certain matchups.


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Booker's offensive prowess is more a matter of volume early on and less so now. He was forced into the lead role because, well, we had no other alternative. Tatum has matured over time and has had a far better supporting cast, allowing him to develop his game in a more moderated time scale. That's clearly paid off seeing he just helped carry his squad to the Larry O. Could Booker do the same if they were swapped? Maybe.

Numbers only tell a portion of the tale; the intangibles and eye test often lead to a different viewpoint. I'm critical of Booker since I've watched pretty much every game since he's been drafted. I'm willing to bet it's a similar situation for you and Tatum. That said, all we can do is armchair GM and try to use some measure of objectivity and numbers to draw conclusions. Is how it is, broham.

[bwgood77]

Imagine you put Devin Booker on the Celtics in lieu of Tatum.

Booker already seems to be averaging highly efficient stats with aging/dysfunctional rosters. (61% TS in the playoffs vs Tatums 57%, 48+% FG from midrange vs Tatums 39.5%, 1.06 PPP as PnR ball handler, elite finishing at the rim albeit on lower volume).

Man I shudder to think how badly Boston obliterates teams offensively with Booker at the head of the snake. Gets to pass to exceptional off ball players, all of whom can shoot, all of whom can help defend and let Booker pace himself on offense, all of whom can cut to the rim.

I can’t imagine but think that a truly elite offensive player like Booker would put up batshiet insane numbers in a system like Boston. Like 67+% TS and scoring wise opponents are obliterated into oblivion. Probably lose 1 game max in the postseason and most of the wins have a differential of atleast 10-12+.

Thoughts?


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You disappointed with the Celtic's performance lately?

[KingofTheClay]

I dunno. I think that Tatum is much more athletic and has better physical tools in general. While Booker is a better pure shooter, I couldn't say as to whether swapping them out would result in a significantly greater net positive than where they presently reside. He might net 4-6 additional wins as far as differential goes.

Now, personally speaking, I think Booker is a bit overrated and somewhat inconsistent, especially in high pressure situations as evidenced by his collapses against DAL in the playoffs and MIL in the finals. He has a tendency to make poor ballhandling decisions and will cough the ball up with regularity against aggressive doubles. He also has a tendency to overplay a possession and will commit plainly stupid fouls when he is beaten by a defender.

I am often left to wonder where the Suns would be had they been able to take Tatum instead of that moron of a dude in Josh Jackson.

Interesting.

I agree Booker is not infallible but Tatum is prone to similar things. 2023 Heat series he was a turnover machine when blitzed down the stretch. 2022 GSW final.

In terms of performance in high pressure situations, Booker put up 28 ppg on 55% TS while hounded by Jrue in the finals, with his supporting cast disappearing half the games. Tatum has been on well crafted units, and in all 11 of his finals games, in aggregate, is averaging 49% TS on 4+ TOV/game.

I mean I think the gap offensively between the two is pretty big. Booker is putting up more efficient stats on worse teams. Tatum is a versatile very good defender but hes no Kawhi. Im not sure Tatums advantage there makes up for the considerable gap on offense. Only against certain matchups.


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Booker's offensive prowess is more a matter of volume early on and less so now. He was forced into the lead role because, well, we had no other alternative. Tatum has matured over time and has had a far better supporting cast, allowing him to develop his game in a more moderated time scale. That's clearly paid off seeing he just helped carry his squad to the Larry O. Could Booker do the same if they were swapped? Maybe.

Numbers only tell a portion of the tale; the intangibles and eye test often lead to a different viewpoint. I'm critical of Booker since I've watched pretty much every game since he's been drafted. I'm willing to bet it's a similar situation for you and Tatum. That said, all we can do is armchair GM and try to use some measure of objectivity and numbers to draw conclusions. Is how it is, broham.

It’s an interesting tale. I believe it, certainly could be one of the rather uncommon instances (certainly not impossible), where the stats notably differ from the eye test.

I suspect you may have a lower tolerance for antics or watching your player shiett the bed since you’re watched Booker. If your franchise player disappeared 95% of the time down the stretch or shot 49% TS in 11 finals games I think you’d be in the same boat as me, broham.


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[KingofTheClay]

Imagine you put Devin Booker on the Celtics in lieu of Tatum.

Booker already seems to be averaging highly efficient stats with aging/dysfunctional rosters. (61% TS in the playoffs vs Tatums 57%, 48+% FG from midrange vs Tatums 39.5%, 1.06 PPP as PnR ball handler, elite finishing at the rim albeit on lower volume).

Man I shudder to think how badly Boston obliterates teams offensively with Booker at the head of the snake. Gets to pass to exceptional off ball players, all of whom can shoot, all of whom can help defend and let Booker pace himself on offense, all of whom can cut to the rim.

I can’t imagine but think that a truly elite offensive player like Booker would put up batshiet insane numbers in a system like Boston. Like 67+% TS and scoring wise opponents are obliterated into oblivion. Probably lose 1 game max in the postseason and most of the wins have a differential of atleast 10-12+.

Thoughts?


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You disappointed with the Celtic's performance lately?

Haha. Im just watching some of these other dudes in the playoffs since 2023, like Shai, Booker, Brunson and must admit they’re all top shelf scorers.

Can’t help but wonder how they’d fare with a Celtics supporting cast.


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[bwgood77]

Imagine you put Devin Booker on the Celtics in lieu of Tatum.

Booker already seems to be averaging highly efficient stats with aging/dysfunctional rosters. (61% TS in the playoffs vs Tatums 57%, 48+% FG from midrange vs Tatums 39.5%, 1.06 PPP as PnR ball handler, elite finishing at the rim albeit on lower volume).

Man I shudder to think how badly Boston obliterates teams offensively with Booker at the head of the snake. Gets to pass to exceptional off ball players, all of whom can shoot, all of whom can help defend and let Booker pace himself on offense, all of whom can cut to the rim.

I can’t imagine but think that a truly elite offensive player like Booker would put up batshiet insane numbers in a system like Boston. Like 67+% TS and scoring wise opponents are obliterated into oblivion. Probably lose 1 game max in the postseason and most of the wins have a differential of atleast 10-12+.

Thoughts?


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You disappointed with the Celtic's performance lately?

Haha. Im just watching some of these other dudes in the playoffs since 2023, like Shai, Booker, Brunson and must admit they’re all top shelf scorers.

Can’t help but wonder how they’d fare with a Celtics supporting cast.


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I'm sure just about any all non big/pg all star with that cast would fare well.

[Blonde]

I can tell you that Booker would have a finals MVP.

[garrick]

I give a slight edge to Tatum just because he's a big but say hypothetically you put Booker on the Celtics and I think the Celtics still get the same result.

Booker could concentrate his energies all on offense and probably have better scoring numbers than Tatum did in the finals, the only issue I have is Booker often tends to get tunnel vision failing to spot the big man free in the paint or the open shooter on the wing.

I always wonder how Booker's development would be had he landed on a winning team with a decent coach like in Miami or SA, we had a string of bad coaches and he was free to develop his game but he did pick up some bad habits along the way.

[KingofTheClay]

I give a slight edge to Tatum just because he's a big but say hypothetically you put Booker on the Celtics and I think the Celtics still get the same result.

Booker could concentrate his energies all on offense and probably have better scoring numbers than Tatum did in the finals, the only issue I have is Booker often tends to get tunnel vision failing to spot the big man free in the paint or the open shooter on the wing.

I always wonder how Booker's development would be had he landed on a winning team with a decent coach like in Miami or SA, we had a string of bad coaches and he was free to develop his game but he did pick up some bad habits along the way.

Damn I thought Booker would be rated higher on this sub. Whenever I watch the guy in the playoffs he’s going beserk on offense from the mid range and the 3. Owning the pick and rolls with confidence and 1.05+ PPP proves it. I’m sitting here in awe and feel bad that the guy is on some poorly constructed/aging teams.

I mean I certainly expect Booker would put up better numbers than Tatum on the Celtics. He averaged like 29 ppg against the Bucks with 55% TS while being hounded by Jrue, on a worse team with worse spacing. Yeah he was pressured into making turnovers and bad passes but cut him some slack, Jrue is the best guard defender in the league. It’s like his supporting cast wasn’t even there to help.

Tatum was shooting 49% TS in the finals WHILE only looking to score on Kyrie/Luka mismatches. All the spacing in the world. The best supporting cast by a mile in the whole world.

A mid-defender like Wiggins completely shut him down in 2022. Thats obscene.


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[garrick]

I give a slight edge to Tatum just because he's a big but say hypothetically you put Booker on the Celtics and I think the Celtics still get the same result.

Booker could concentrate his energies all on offense and probably have better scoring numbers than Tatum did in the finals, the only issue I have is Booker often tends to get tunnel vision failing to spot the big man free in the paint or the open shooter on the wing.

I always wonder how Booker's development would be had he landed on a winning team with a decent coach like in Miami or SA, we had a string of bad coaches and he was free to develop his game but he did pick up some bad habits along the way.

Damn I thought Booker would be rated higher on this sub. Whenever I watch the guy in the playoffs he’s going beserk on offense from the mid range and the 3. Owning the pick and rolls with confidence and 1.05+ PPP proves it. I’m sitting here in awe and feel bad that the guy is on some poorly constructed/aging teams.

I mean I certainly expect Booker would put up better numbers than Tatum on the Celtics. He averaged like 29 ppg against the Bucks with 55% TS while being hounded by Jrue, on a worse team with worse spacing. Yeah he was pressured into making turnovers and bad passes but cut him some slack, Jrue is the best guard defender in the league. It’s like his supporting cast wasn’t even there to help.

Tatum was shooting 49% TS in the finals WHILE only looking to score on Kyrie/Luka mismatches. All the spacing in the world. The best supporting cast by a mile in the whole world.

A mid-defender like Wiggins completely shut him down in 2022. Thats obscene.


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I actually don't think his performance against the Bucks was bad, it was mostly pretty good except for game 6.

He just kind of loses steam so in elimination games he tends to flame out either via injury or fatigue I guess because he has to expend more energy as a player that has a harder time getting his shot off.

He also can't be the #1 player on a bad to mediocre team as we saw last season, he doesn't have it in him but on a loaded team like the Celtics he should perform a lot better.

[KingofTheClay]

I give a slight edge to Tatum just because he's a big but say hypothetically you put Booker on the Celtics and I think the Celtics still get the same result.

Booker could concentrate his energies all on offense and probably have better scoring numbers than Tatum did in the finals, the only issue I have is Booker often tends to get tunnel vision failing to spot the big man free in the paint or the open shooter on the wing.

I always wonder how Booker's development would be had he landed on a winning team with a decent coach like in Miami or SA, we had a string of bad coaches and he was free to develop his game but he did pick up some bad habits along the way.

Damn I thought Booker would be rated higher on this sub. Whenever I watch the guy in the playoffs he’s going beserk on offense from the mid range and the 3. Owning the pick and rolls with confidence and 1.05+ PPP proves it. I’m sitting here in awe and feel bad that the guy is on some poorly constructed/aging teams.

I mean I certainly expect Booker would put up better numbers than Tatum on the Celtics. He averaged like 29 ppg against the Bucks with 55% TS while being hounded by Jrue, on a worse team with worse spacing. Yeah he was pressured into making turnovers and bad passes but cut him some slack, Jrue is the best guard defender in the league. It’s like his supporting cast wasn’t even there to help.

Tatum was shooting 49% TS in the finals WHILE only looking to score on Kyrie/Luka mismatches. All the spacing in the world. The best supporting cast by a mile in the whole world.

A mid-defender like Wiggins completely shut him down in 2022. Thats obscene.


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I actually don't think his performance against the Bucks was bad, it was mostly pretty good except for game 6.

He just kind of loses steam so in elimination games he tends to flame out either via injury or fatigue I guess because he has to expend more energy as a player that has a harder time getting his shot off.

He also can't be the #1 player on a bad to mediocre team as we saw last season, he doesn't have it in him but on a loaded team like the Celtics he should perform a lot better.

I agree with everything here.

I don’t think most players can be the number one option on mediocre teams. 2007-2010 Lebron, 2011 Mavs Dirk, maybe 2022 Curry.

Not an indictment of Booker.


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[Biff]

I think Booker and Tatum are both a little overrated. Booker is more efficient on offense but has turnover issues during crunchtime. He seems to get flustered easily. Tatum is a better defender but also seems to struggle in crunchtime. That said, I do think a swap could be beneficial for both teams. There's too much redundancy on our roster and Tatum is more of a slasher than Booker is and is a better 3 point shooter. He's also bigger and we could run a lineup of Beal, KD and Tatum and also run a PG without being too small. Running with Morris, Beal, Booker and KD would be a rather small lineup and would struggle defensively. Conversely, Celtics are highly dependent on the 3 and having an elite midrange shooter could help mix their offense up and make them harder to defend. They have the defenders to allow Booker to just focus on his offensive game.

I don't see a swap happening though, especially since the Celtics just won the championship.