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Re: Preseason Game 1: Phoenix Suns @ LA Lakers | At Palm Desert , CA | Oct 06 | 6:30PM 

Post#21 » by grumpysaddle » Mon Oct 7, 2024 4:01 am

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grumpysaddle wrote:Was watching my Padres whoop the Dodgers asses. How's the game been? Love to see Frank back, hitting that 3.


That game was epic, right? We should be up 2-0 right now on them, but this was good enough for me. Going back to Petco should be a good thing for us. I just hope the hot bats come back with us.

Seeing Kaminsky back to putting in work is a nice thing. I was happy they signed him, if it is only for the preseason.

Such a fun baseball game. Seriously I hate dodgers fans. Most classless in the league. I can't be mad at Cease cause he's been killer since joining the team, but pitching to Ohtani instead of walking him in that situation was a head scratcher. Yu owned Ohtani tonight though.
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Post#22 » by Book1Nation » Mon Oct 7, 2024 4:06 am

Fun preseason game.

Rookies played well and got the dub. We’re going to have issues against big teams tho with our backcourt being as small as they are.
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Re: Preseason Game 1: Phoenix Suns @ LA Lakers | At Palm Desert , CA | Oct 06 | 6:30PM 

Post#23 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Oct 7, 2024 4:17 am

Gillespie and the rooks stood out to me. Gillespie just looks so poised and Dunn was a big time surprise for me. Oso also looked like he belonged
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Re: Preseason Game 1: Phoenix Suns @ LA Lakers | At Palm Desert , CA | Oct 06 | 6:30PM 

Post#24 » by enigmatics » Mon Oct 7, 2024 4:38 am

Watched the full game highlights.

Holy hell that one-handed rifle shot of a dime from Oso from the high post in the 4th Q to Okogie! Kid looked like he's got a ton of intangibles the team sorely needed.

The team looks long btw.
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Post#25 » by RedIndian » Mon Oct 7, 2024 5:27 am

Fun game - watched the whole thing from start to finish. My thoughts:

1. Loved the emphasis on shooting 3s - 39 attempts is great, and if we keep this up, our offense will be much much better from that alone

2. Oso will oust Plumlee from the rotation by mid-season. Just a very good basketball player, even if he's not a true big. I said it someone earlier - he reminds me a bit of Boris Diaw. Extremely high-IQ on both ends of the floor. Book, KD and Beal are going to love playing with him

3. Dunn's shot looked better than I thought it would. That said, dude is still very raw offensively - bobbles passes and is not a great ball handler. Liked the confidence in his shooting though

4. Gillespie looked very good - better than Monte I thought, which is very encouraging for the long term given that both Tyus and Monte won't be on this roster next year. If he plays like this, he'll get a regular contract soon

5. Okogie looked great on offense surprisingly. Just one game of course, and that too against the Lakers young guys, so won't take much from it, but long may it continue

All in all, vibes look much much better. The young guys hustling and coming from behind to win the game was fun to watch
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Re: Preseason Game 1: Phoenix Suns @ LA Lakers | At Palm Desert , CA | Oct 06 | 6:30PM 

Post#26 » by KLEON » Mon Oct 7, 2024 5:44 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Gillespie and the rooks stood out to me. Gillespie just looks so poised and Dunn was a big time surprise for me. Oso also looked like he belonged

Gillespie reminds of Tj McConnell
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Post#27 » by RedIndian » Mon Oct 7, 2024 5:49 am

Btw, Grayson looked completely out of shape - literally looked slow and pudgy, not stronger or powerful as he would have you believe.

Bud needs to push him hard in preseason and get him in shape
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Post#28 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Oct 7, 2024 7:07 am

Gillespie and Ighodaro looked great.

Issues with defense and size still.
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Post#29 » by Puff » Mon Oct 7, 2024 9:04 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Gillespie and the rooks stood out to me. Gillespie just looks so poised and Dunn was a big time surprise for me. Oso also looked like he belonged


Gillespie and Lee had my attention. I hope we can keep Gillespie around for the future. He is 25 but really knows how to play. I think he averaged near a triple double in the G League last year and is a legit 3 point shooter. Not as convinced as some on Jones. However, his stats seem to fit like a glove. If he walks next off season, hopefully we still have Gillespie. Lee can really shoot it and appears to be a great guy.

I also have always liked Frank. It seems a 3 point shooting center works well in Coach Buds System.

Lots of choices. Who is in the rotation and on the roster by playoff time after the Big three is anyone's guess. Hell Okogie was making shots.

Nice win for the Cardinals.
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Post#30 » by Saberestar » Mon Oct 7, 2024 9:57 am

What a nice start of the (pre)season.

I enjoyed this one big time because I love the depth that we have this year.

Gillespie absolutely looks like an NBA player out there. He dribbles the ball really low and has every "small-guy move" in his arsenal. I bet that he gets that 15th roster spot before the trade deadline.

Oso and Dunn played like they were 3-year veterans. I think we nailed those picks and they are ready to help us since day one.

Great to see Damion Lee knocking down 3s and making smart plays on both sides of the court.

Kaminsky played very well and he was the only one on a 10-day contract playing minutes, so I think he is considered for an non guaranteed contract.

Okogie was the player of the game in the 2nd half. It's gonna be tough for Budenholzer to not play him if he shows just a bit of improvement on offense, his defense is amazing and he is a constant threat in transition.

Cool win and hopefully we can build on these early great vibes.
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Post#31 » by Saberestar » Mon Oct 7, 2024 10:33 am

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2. Oso will oust Plumlee from the rotation by mid-season. Just a very good basketball player, even if he's not a true big. I said it someone earlier - he reminds me a bit of Boris Diaw. Extremely high-IQ on both ends of the floor. Book, KD and Beal are going to love playing with him


That's a brilliant comparison. He has the same ability to put the ball on the floor and pass as Diaw had in his days.
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Post#32 » by wheezy » Mon Oct 7, 2024 4:20 pm

KLEON wrote:So when Grayson said he's up to 230 lbs I never thought it would be the Bo Diaw diet

He looked pretty thick when I saw him in LA in Aug.
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Post#33 » by sunsbg » Mon Oct 7, 2024 5:47 pm

Probably best passing big and best wing defender in recent drafts with two late picks. Camara last year. Jones and the scouting team have done a good job overall outside top 10 in draft. Hopefully the rooks can expand their game in other areas.

On another note why did they allow Dunn and RO to wear 0 and 00, it's the same number for people who learned maths lol. I assume 07 is available now despite 7 being retired.
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Post#34 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Oct 7, 2024 7:00 pm

I agree with the consensus that there were a lot of positive signs last night. The difference between this year and last year was very evident, and great to see. Here were my takeaways:

1. Offense. Overall, our offense looked consistently better than at any point last season, which is a wonderfully positive sign. I particularly loved that there was so much backdoor action last night. Backdoor cuts and passes evaporated throughout last season, but they are a necessity if you want an elite, modern NBA offense. I think the focus on taking as many catch-and-shoot threes as possible is a very smart one.

2. Point Guards. It was nice to see point guards on the court for 44 minutes after suffering through a whole **** season of 0. Tyus made a huge difference just by making sure the ball got up the court quickly, and his quick trigger on catch-and-shoot 3. 3/3 3FGA, 6 AST, 1 TO in 19 minutes is brilliant. Morris also looked good - physically strong, quick and smart. But Gillespie shined. I think we'll have his RFA rights next summer. Perhaps Collin gets paid next summer the way Tyus should have been this offseason!

3. Big Man Stuff. I found it particualrly encouraging to see that we stayed about even on the boards, and that we contested so many shots in the paint. Entering this game I wondered who our back-up 4 would be. 6'4" Royce O'Neal had 5 boards and 3 blocks in 14 minutes. If Dunn can avoid turnovers on closeouts, he can help contest shots as well. I thought Bol was also good with 6 boards in 12 minutes on a strangely respectable 0/0 from the field.

Oso looked like he belonged out there. His passing was impressive. Gotta give that Oso selection an A if he looks like that during the regular season. Plumlee was also solid, pressuring the offensive glass and not embarrassing himself a la Drew Eubanks. Last year we looked kind of gross out there whenever Nurk was out, which wasn't the case last night. Hugely encouraging.

4. Wing Depth. Man, when Okogie's hitting his 3, he's practically a superstar. I don't recall any player whose shot was so fragile - he'll hit 'em for a couple games. Then he loses his shot, and his shot will stay lost: the more chances you give him, the farther from the basket it'll land. Then he gets benched, lives in the gym, comes back and you get another game or 0-3 games of all-world Okogie before it's back to brick city. If he could fix that shot for good, he'd be a starter in this league for many years.

Lee was great and clearly hasn't lost a step. Meanwhile, Grayson looked like David Roddy minus the athleticism. I bet he slims down some over the course of the season. Hopefully the weight makes him more and not less durable. But as good as the other guys looked, Grayson better hit his threes and avoid turnovers to avoid sliding down the depth chart and getting traded mid-season.

5. Youth. Oso and Dunn didn't hurt us in decent minutes. They looked very worthy our investment in their development. I am certainly glad to be reminded that the age-old proverb, "Summer League doesn't matter" is evergreen.

6. Beal and the Starters. I'm not worried, but in their short time matched up with the Lakers' starters, our starting unit looked outmatched. For what it's worth, I thought Beal looked better with our bench group, and he was mostly invisible amongst our starters. I liked that he was getting the ball in the open court and on the move more than he was in Vogel's half-court hell system.

7. Coaching, Scouting. Overall, I have to credit the coaching staff and the scouting department for so many positive signs on display last night - and by extension, Mat Ishbia. I'm warming up to this guy.

8. Lebron and the Lakers. The Lakers should make the playoffs if they're healthy. Am I the only one who thinks Lebron's longevity is a valid argument to nudge him ahead of Jordan in the GOAT conversation? What that man is doing at his age is ludicrous. He looked like the best player on the court last night!
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Post#35 » by Saberestar » Mon Oct 7, 2024 7:04 pm

sunsbg wrote:Probably best passing big and best wing defender in recent drafts with two late picks. Camara last year. Jones and the scouting team have done a good job overall outside top 10 in draft. Hopefully the rooks can expand their game in other areas.

On another note why did they allow Dunn and RO to wear 0 and 00, it's the same number for people who learned maths lol. I assume 07 is available now despite 7 being retired.

I didn't notice that lol.
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Post#36 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 7, 2024 7:23 pm

sunsbg wrote:Probably best passing big and best wing defender in recent drafts with two late picks. Camara last year. Jones and the scouting team have done a good job overall outside top 10 in draft. Hopefully the rooks can expand their game in other areas.

On another note why did they allow Dunn and RO to wear 0 and 00, it's the same number for people who learned maths lol. I assume 07 is available now despite 7 being retired.


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Post#37 » by sunsbg » Mon Oct 7, 2024 9:07 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
sunsbg wrote:Probably best passing big and best wing defender in recent drafts with two late picks. Camara last year. Jones and the scouting team have done a good job overall outside top 10 in draft. Hopefully the rooks can expand their game in other areas.

On another note why did they allow Dunn and RO to wear 0 and 00, it's the same number for people who learned maths lol. I assume 07 is available now despite 7 being retired.


And 007?


Yup, unless Agent 007's played on the Suns and they retired his number too.
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Post#38 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Oct 7, 2024 10:21 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:Gillespie and the rooks stood out to me. Gillespie just looks so poised and Dunn was a big time surprise for me. Oso also looked like he belonged


Gillespie and Lee had my attention. I hope we can keep Gillespie around for the future. He is 25 but really knows how to play. I think he averaged near a triple double in the G League last year and is a legit 3 point shooter. Not as convinced as some on Jones. However, his stats seem to fit like a glove. If he walks next off season, hopefully we still have Gillespie. Lee can really shoot it and appears to be a great guy.

I also have always liked Frank. It seems a 3 point shooting center works well in Coach Buds System.

Lots of choices. Who is in the rotation and on the roster by playoff time after the Big three is anyone's guess. Hell Okogie was making shots.

Nice win for the Cardinals.

I feel like there's a general expectation that Tyus was going to come in and be like a ball dominant PG because of the A:T ratio, passing ability and just being a traditional PG. Like someone who will initiate 2/3 of the offense, dominate the ball and turn KD/Beal/Book into finishers/shooters. I certainly thought he would be more involved in initiating the offense than he did although I wasn't expecting anything close to CP3 level.

I think when you have 3 all-star+ level guys as your Big 3 who was initiating like 99% of the offense a season ago, it takes a bit of time for them to take a step back while integrating a true PG into the fold so I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt. For me, for a first outing, I think he gets an A for me. He shot 3 of 4 from distance so he was stretching the floor and giving the other guys an outlet, he dropped 6 dimes on 1 TO so he was doing his PG thing and what I like most about those assists was that they weren't like 4 easy dimes to a hot shooter. Those 6 assists were to 6 different players; Dunn, Okogie, KD, Grayson, Royce and Oso all got a piece of that pie and that tells me he isn't just looking for the obvious scorers but just finding the best player to take the shot. And credit to those guys for hitting their shots.
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Post#39 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Oct 7, 2024 10:29 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:6. Beal and the Starters. I'm not worried, but in their short time matched up with the Lakers' starters, our starting unit looked outmatched. For what it's worth, I thought Beal looked better with our bench group, and he was mostly invisible amongst our starters. I liked that he was getting the ball in the open court and on the move more than he was in Vogel's half-court hell system.

I still don't expect it but it would be great to see Beal come off the bench. Ideally we swap Royce and Beal so we have more shooting, size and more of a utility guy on defense in the starting line up. Beal with Monte and Grayson off the bench would make a great perimeter unit off the bench.
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Post#40 » by Saberestar » Tue Oct 8, 2024 9:43 am

So we know now that Budenholzer's initial rotation is:

Tyus / Monte
Beal / Allen
Book / Dunn
KD / O'Neale
Nurkic / Plumlee

We were guessing that Bol Bol or Okogie would get a backup F spot next to O'Neale but it's for Dunn.

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