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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#1661 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:56 pm

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Many here, including Slim and myself, had been trying to tell people that Monty Williams was the problem. how many potential really good or impactful players had to be lost due to this as well as James Jones' gross ineptitude, and Sarvers' overall parsimonious azzhattery? :banghead:
Before the KD trade and before the Beal trade, the Suns under Monty Williams were 64-18.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2022.html

Who fixed what wasn't broken?

And remember his record before Chris Paul got here? Or how about after he left and what his record was with the pistons?

- Williams record before Paul. 34-39.

- Williams record with Paul.
51-21, 64-18, 45-37.

- Williams record as Pistons coach.
14-68.

- Pistons record after Williams was let go.
44-38.

Monty Williams was a great human being, salt of the earth man. But he was easily a very mediocre coach that benefited from having the ultimate fooor general/ player coach on the floor doing much of his job for him.

And if you notice the pattern that I've shared, the singular constant in the brief period of Monty Williams success was Chris Paul! Without Chris Paul, he fielded a losing record. But with Chris Paul running/ orchestrating offense and managing the game/ holding players accountable, Williams appeared successfull.


Yet puzzlingly enough, whenever the Camera would pan over to him on the sidelines, you'd really only see one of two things. Either Williams would he sitting there looking lost and nearly comatose, or he'd have this stressed out confused look on his face like he was battling the worst case of IBS imaginable.

And aside from his oft clever "monti" isms, you rarely if ever see or here examples of him actually getting up and coaching from the sidelines, and not just sitting on the bench quietly and showing barely any emotion or energy.

This was obviously reflected in the team's (players) adopted demeanor too often being very passive, softspoken and competitively submissive to the opposition. It has been further reflected in their continuing post halftime 3rd quarter collapses and mentally fragile dispositions.

Again, Monty was a glaring example of a wonderful human being, but a mediocre coach insulated by Chris Pauls' on court greatness and leadership abilities shielding him from accountability of his position.


The Mavs/ Suns playoffs was the last and greatest example of all of this coming to a head and the results being a historical collapse in spectacular fashion. :dontknow:
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