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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1981 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed May 14, 2025 3:30 am

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I know that my trade postulations are often overtly detailed and somewhat wildly sensationalistic or possibly even histrionic, etc but I share these to this detail to not only broker potential discussions/ thought experiments on our possibilities with people here that are much smarter / knowledgeable about basketball than I am at such premises. Always trying to learn more...lol.

But also because I'm aware that the Suns front office does actually utilize research teams, that root out ideas from various sources/ platforms.

And I figure that with their much greater experience and resources, they could
possibly take my jumbled mess of ideas and create something functional out of it that might actually benefit us in some way?? That's my misplaced hope for something positive with our franchise.

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1982 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 14, 2025 3:35 am

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I had assumed that. Seemed way too convenient and loopholey to do that
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1983 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 14, 2025 3:37 am

KdoubleDees23 wrote:PG13 & Jared McCain & #3 this year for KD

Gets them off PG13 and Gives them a shooter next to Embiids corpse.

We get Ace Bailey or Edgecombe with #3

I would ride

McCain
Booker
PG13
Dunn / Bailey or Edgecom
Richards

Then trade Beal for a big.

They aren't giving up their ROY candidate from this year and the #3 just to get off PG?
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1984 » by Saberestar » Wed May 14, 2025 3:42 am

Blonde wrote:Something around KD to Houston, Jaylen Brown to Phoenix, Houston players/picks to Boston to try to reload for when Tatum gets healthy. Not great but I could see it being a realistic framework.

I love Jaylen Brown and I would like this trade but I can't see the Celtics trading him.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1985 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 14, 2025 3:43 am

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Well a couple reasons, remember we can't tank. So that means next year with no Tatum is basically the Booker and Beal show. As bad as we were, Durant won us a bunch of games. So our record would be worse next year since Tatum is gone.

Plus the fact that he might not not be the same guy ever again and he just signed a 55/yr deal over the next 6 years.

That said, I'll still do it.

I kind of think the next couple of years doesn't really matter. We're not built to tank, we're not built to compete so at best, we treadmill and maybe make the playoffs if we play all our cards right. Beyond that is what I'm more interested in building. KD won't be here so he's a non-factor but what we can get for him will be.


Boston isn't trading Tatum anyways. I do wonder if they tank next yr and move everyone else though. If Jaylen Brown is on the market, that will complicate our KD trading situation.

I have a hard time seeing them tank. I think they retain the Jays, and move on from at least one of Jrue/White/KP and maybe build a team with less high end talent but potentially a more balanced and sustainable roster so when Tatum comes back, they can get right back in the mix. What I doubt is they run it back with this same group without Tatum. Next season, they'll be even further into the 2nd apron than us this season despite the salary caps being higher and without it being a real contender, I just don't see them being able to justify the spend (they aren't Ishbia)
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1986 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 14, 2025 3:49 am

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Why post a link that needs a subscription to read? You don’t have to be Mr breaking news here all time. Especially with Bull****. Show some discretion


Because maybe some people here are actually subscribers, and might be so inclined as to share the details of the article with everyone here. But if it's such a big deal for you man, I can at least provide you with this for now:
Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter

Now I know that it's not the full range of 37 crazy trades that he's mentioned. But I sincerely hope this will suffice for now. :D

In order

1. Rockets x Hornets
2. Rockets x Nets
3. Mavs x Kings x Wolves






















































999999999999999999999999999999999999: Sixers
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1987 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 14, 2025 3:49 am

Maze wrote:
Calvin Klein wrote:FWIW we HAD the number 1 pick and could have picked the generational player but instead chose the one who SAID on record he was in it for the money.

Luka wasn't a surefire, can't miss prospect, tho.There was some doubts about his athleticism and how he'd adjust to the NBA.I'm talking about the guys where you just know they're going #1.Shaq, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Wemby etc.Funny how lil ol San Antonio always seems to secure those guys.

There were certainly more variance in mock draft positions for Luka, valid or not, than compared to DA but he was consistently mocked in the top 3 in the draft when you look at the round table of mock drafts across all media and it was basically down to the wire as to who would be #1 between DA and Luka. Both DA and Luka were worthy #1 picks even in a historically stacked draft.

Pre-draft there were essentially 2 camps, the first camp was for DA who felt he had all the physical traits, big man skills, "All-American-ness" and the college career that a lot of the mainstream traditional scouts fawned over but they also didn't give as much credence to European prospects and very much still placed a stigma on them at the time. The 2nd camp was basically everyone else, especially draft Twitter who did scout both college and international basketball and have been talking about Luka for years since he went pro and the Euroleague MVP was just the confirmation they were after to really cement him at #1 in their minds. There were some Bagley, Bamba and Trae noise but it was mostly noise. At the end of the day, DA was just seen as having as high of a ceiling as Luka but was considered the safer choice. What a lot of the pro-DA camp and scouts didn't fully appreciate was how far the game had already shifted away from dudes who can't create as we entered the era of positionless basketball and DA not doing himself any favours by never really developing a strong enough creation game to be the engine of an offense like Luka has been since Day 1.

So there were certainly more questions around Luka, valid or not, compared to DA simply because the college game has historically been the barometer for whether a player will translate to the NBA well or not. In hindsight, it’s clear that Wemby, while a generational talent in his own right, likely benefited immensely from the precedent Luka set. Had Wemby entered the 2018 draft instead, there likely would’ve been far more scepticism around his European resume (which wasn't nearly as strong as Luka's) and slender frame, particularly in a league still adjusting to the value of international well rounded bigs. Even in 2023, some doubted whether Wemby’s wiry build would withstand the NBA’s physicality, but those concerns were much quieter compared to the scrutiny Dončić faced in 2018.

Scouting has evolved significantly since the mid-to-late 2010s. Questions about whether a European player’s game will translate to the NBA have become far less common, thanks in large part to Luka Dončić redefining what international prospects are capable of from day one.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1988 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 14, 2025 3:57 am

I know the Cavs were missing Garland and he's forms a pretty potent 1-2 punch for them with Mitchell so the series could've been different if he was healthy but man, a KD would've been soooo helpful especially in close games
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1989 » by KdoubleDees23 » Wed May 14, 2025 11:35 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I know the Cavs were missing Garland and he's forms a pretty potent 1-2 punch for them with Mitchell so the series could've been different if he was healthy but man, a KD would've been soooo helpful especially in close games


KD is trash, I can’t wait till he’s gone

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1990 » by Saberestar » Wed May 14, 2025 11:37 am

Gambo:

The Phoenix Suns have cast a wide net in their search for the next head coach reaching out to and interviewing 15-20 candidates.

The 2nd-round should begin soon but I would not expect a final decision this week or next. Most likely closer to the end of the month or early June.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1991 » by -SDU- » Wed May 14, 2025 12:37 pm

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1992 » by BobbieL » Wed May 14, 2025 1:59 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:

Why post a link that needs a subscription to read? You don’t have to be Mr breaking news here all time. Especially with Bull****. Show some discretion


Because maybe some people here are actually subscribers, and might be so inclined as to share the details of the article with everyone here. But if it's such a big deal for you man, I can at least provide you with this for now:
Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter

Now I know that it's not the full range of 37 crazy trades that he's mentioned. But I sincerely hope this will suffice for now. :D

In order

1. Rockets x Hornets
2. Rockets x Nets
3. Mavs x Kings x Wolves






















































999999999999999999999999999999999999: Sixers



I still have zero idea why Stephen would approve the PG13 trade even if you get the third pick. That contract is terrible. Only if the Sixers took Beal.

I do agree with the rest of the order. Hornets might want a player next to Ball -so Green makes sense
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1993 » by Revived » Wed May 14, 2025 2:07 pm

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Wonder how many years before dumb*** Ishbia figures this out instead of hiring his own figureheads as GM. Probably after he squanders away the last of remaining Suns assets (KD and Booker).
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1994 » by BobbieL » Wed May 14, 2025 2:20 pm

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Wonder how many years before dumb*** Ishbia figures this out instead of hiring his own figureheads as GM. Probably after he squanders away the last of remaining Suns assets (KD and Booker).


The problem with Booker is he will wait to late to trade him when he doesn't have value

As for Durant, he and Gregory are not experienced enough

Gerald B could make better trades I think
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

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Post#1997 » by Djedefre » Wed May 14, 2025 5:09 pm

Our next coach gotta be some other random pal of Ishbia's. It's only natural. Clear path to success.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1998 » by BobbieL » Wed May 14, 2025 5:27 pm

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I had assumed that. Seemed way too convenient and loopholey to do that



Pretty sure they stopped this rule about 6 years ago or more - the CBA before this one

Teams use to do that. A guy was owed $10m but only had $2m - trade happens, team waives player

For a guy like FVV, his option would be picked up by Houston and traded so FVV gets his 44m
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1999 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 14, 2025 6:26 pm

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Why is it even a question since they are about 7 years apart. Achilles tears are horrible but Tatum is young enough to recover from most of it before he's 30... 2 years off basketball and 1 year of getting his game back so 3 years time he should be back to 90% of his old self since he's young.


Well a couple reasons, remember we can't tank. So that means next year with no Tatum is basically the Booker and Beal show. As bad as we were, Durant won us a bunch of games. So our record would be worse next year since Tatum is gone.

Plus the fact that he might not not be the same guy ever again and he just signed a 55/yr deal over the next 6 years.

That said, I'll still do it.

I kind of think the next couple of years doesn't really matter. We're not built to tank, we're not built to compete so at best, we treadmill and maybe make the playoffs if we play all our cards right. Beyond that is what I'm more interested in building. KD won't be here so he's a non-factor but what we can get for him will be.


We are not built to tank but I seriously doubt we finish, at best, higher than 11th. I think all the playoff teams are ahead of us along with Dallas and SA. That's 10. Plus probably the Pelicans, Kings and Blazers. I'd trade entire rosters/picks with any team in the NBA.

I see us between 11th and 14th. Injuries could help us if the Pelicans have them again. Utah always gives us a tough time too so 15th isn't out of the question.

I just don't see how people are thinking we can make some sort of trade while keeping Book and be some sort of playoff contender.

It might be best we finish near the bottom so Book does want out and we can recoup our picks from Houston maybe. I kind of hope if we don't trade Book this summer Houston doesn't trade for anyone so maybe we can do a trade deadline deal when we are in like 14th place.

I don't really see them wanting KD, not at a cost of much. Though I do know Udoka is desperate to compete. Someone like Cam Johnson would probably be a wiser move for them. They need someone who can hit shots on a regular basis, and Cam could be around a while. Trading for KD would be shortsighted.

Though if we try to trade KD somewhere he wants to go our options may be limited. I hope we just trade him to wherever we get the best offer.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#2000 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 14, 2025 6:30 pm

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Big swing with the 10 pick? I don't think KD has as much value as some think, but surely more than the 10th pick in a not great draft after the top few picks. Kind of a dropoff after the 1st and then again after the 2nd.

As much as I don't want to keep KD, if the goal is really to try and get into the playoffs, keeping KD might be our best bet. I can't imagine better than a first round exit since we would likely match up against a top team, but if that's their goal, keep KD, and if they are falling short, make deals at the deadline. Teams might be more desperate then and maybe if we are like 12th or 13th and are dealing KD, Book will be open to a trade too. Houston will probably want Book but I imagine a team like Memphis might too.

Ja is hurt a lot and I know some are not a fan, but maybe him and a bunch of picks, since Book can play pg and they also have Scotty Pippen Jr to play it.

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