How do we stop quick guards now?

[pidi]

if it all works out for us, we got a type of new twin towers and i think it

[chrice]

So in cases like Diaw where his lateral quickness isn't great it is still enough if he doesn't get right up, which with his length he shouldn't have to.

Normally, I might agree, in that a longer small forward can defend a smaller guy if he has reach...but KJ makes a good point. Boris is not agile nor does he have lateral quickness, or hops or reach for his size. He's probably one of the least agile 3s in the league. Now, if you were talking about Tayshaun or Kirilenko that would be a different story.

[nanoclarkology]

I think an option for our guarding quicker guards is a combo of Hill, DJ, and a Zone. Take it in spurts. Then we have to hope our offense is clicking.

I agree with what a few others have said. I think that the Shaq/Amare combo in the middle will give teams a tough chance at getting in the middle and getting easy lay-ups.

I like the thought of getting Artest. For awhile it didn't sit well with me but I like it now. Maybe the Shaq deal made me think harder on it. If we could give up Diaw and the pick for Artest that would be great.

Yeah, I know that trade would not address our fast guard issues. But I like the trade anyway.

[guaves13]

I think you will see some of nash, bell, raja, barbs, hill and DJ. sometime. But I think when you see Shaq and amare down there, you will think twice. People will still attack, but the hole is not as soft as it used to be. I want to see more of DJ as backup pg.

This one gets my vote.

[ray ray]

So Marion did a good job in on Parker??? Tony Parker only avg 21.8 ppg in the semi finals vs the Suns. Also let me be real with all you guys, I'm a huge fan of Marion, but you can tell that Marion athletizm is going away. Marion was good at defending the quick guard but he was never a shut down defender. The only reason why we think this is becouse quite frankly the other Suns players are not that good defenders so it makes Marion look that much better.

I don't care if Duncan gets his points, I don't even care if Parker gets his points what we need to do is shut down Ginobili, Finley,Oberto Horry,Barry and Bruce Bowen. That shold be the Suns game plan in my opinion.

[Never Fear 33 Is Here]

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Normally, I might agree, in that a longer small forward can defend a smaller guy if he has reach...but KJ makes a good point. Boris is not agile nor does he have lateral quickness, or hops or reach for his size. He's probably one of the least agile 3s in the league. Now, if you were talking about Tayshaun or Kirilenko that would be a different story.

Again, Boris' lateral quickness doesn't have to be like lighting, just enough to bother guards which with his length he is. Doesn't he have a huge wingspan for his hight? Oh BTW, even when Shawn was here it was widely known that Boris Diaw still has the greatest vertical leap on the team, yeah that is right, even better than STAT.

Just checked an article from hawks.realgm.com and it says in there that he has a 7' wingspan. LINK

[GoDogGo]

This is a good topic, but another problem was caused when Marion HAD to guard those quick pgs, and no one has mentioned it. When Marion(our pf) had to guard those pgs, we were left with huge match up problems for us. Barbosa would have to guard guys like Peja.
We have to start using DJ more and trusting our team to do the best they can. Hill has done a good vet job on some of these smaller guys, but that still leaves us in that mismatch situations, unless we are playing him at the sg position withShaq, Amare, and Boris in our frontcourt.
The other bad part with losing Marion, is we also gave up Banks, who would be a good second option on these type of pgs.
If it came down to a playoff situation, I really can't see guys like Paul going off with 42 points a night.
Lets see how our team plays with Shaq.
Oh, and Barbosa does have to become a better defender, he definately has the speed, he just needs to be taught correctly. Does Shaq speak Portuguese?

[ClosAZ]

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This one gets my vote.

^ agree. I like Barbosa and all but I get sick and tired every game watching him back up Nash, shoot the ball with 12 seconds left on the clock and give the other team the last possessioni, get trapped under the rim with nowhere to pass... Yada Yada Yada.

I see DJ being able to guard both 1's and 2's effectively. I'd say the best at guarding quick 1's now on our team. Will Coach play him much because he's a rookie? Because he's not a great shooter? Don't know but I'd like to see it. I'm with KJ, give him 15 minutes per night.

[loflin3hree5ive]

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=760072

[toucansma]

Diaw is a much better athlete than people give him credit for. He just doesn't give that all out like Marion for some reason, but does have great agility/quickness. If he can go all out it will help out.

Look at what the scouts in 03 said, sound familiar?

"European scouts rave about his athletic ability. He has the total package with skills, and physical ability. He just lacks the aggressiveness and toughness to put it all together"

[Arles]

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=760072

Yeah, this is growing on me. We could move a future 2nd (hopefully like 2010) and the TE for Ross. Then, we would have this lineup for the postseason:

Nash/Barbs/DJ
Bell/Barbs
Hill/Ross
Amare/Diaw
Shaq/Diaw/Skinner

Defensively, we could have some units in the second period consisting of Barbs/DJ/Ross/Amare/Skinner. You couls also move Diaw or Hill in there. That's a pretty solid defensive core. Ross' shooting worries me a bit though. He's been terrible in January (but maybe our system could help there).

[rsavaj]

I like the Ross idea as well.

[ClosAZ]

I'm down with Ross as well. Good Call. Especially to back up Hill at guarding 3's.

Get Ross for a future 2nd rounder or trade exemption as mentioned.

Have DJ guard the quick 1's for 15 mintues per game.
Shift Hill over to guard the quick 1's for 15 mintues per game (don't want to tire him out)
Hill guard the 3's for the other 15-20 minutues per game
Have Ross guard the 3's the rest of the time (15 mins per game)

To do this we cut back on Barbosa's minutes a little bit (25 mins per?) I'm Ok with it.
Don't know if coach would be.

Somebody call Steve Kerr right now. Who used to go to U of A? LOL

[rsavaj]

I'm down with Ross as well. Good Call. Especially to back up Hill at guarding 3's.

Get Ross for a future 2nd rounder or trade exemption as mentioned.

Have DJ guard the quick 1's for 15 mintues per game.
Shift Hill over to guard the quick 1's for 15 mintues per game (don't want to tire him out)
Hill guard the 3's for the other 15-20 minutues per game
Have Ross guard the 3's the rest of the time (15 mins per game)

To do this we cut back on Barbosa's minutes a little bit (25 mins per?) I'm Ok with it.
Don't know if coach would be.

Somebody call Steve Kerr right now. Who used to go to U of A? LOL

I've always wondered how awesome it would be to be a GM's friend...you could just babble on about your crazy trade ideas and get immediate feedback.

[b-ball forever]

Unless Kerr pulls off another crazy trade anytime soon n lands us a quick outside stopper that is good enuf to log serious minutes NOBODY's gonna able to limit the production of quick guards like AI or Parker anymore.

DJ, or a guy like Ross won't get enuf minutes 2 slow em down, and they'd be comin off the bench anyways, so when they do get the court AI/Paul, or whoever it is they're supposed 2 be defendin will be on the bench.

Hill or Diaw can limit guys like Shard or Allen, but they'd get smoked by the lightning speed guards

Before we were able to close out the perimeter (did a great job at that early in the season, and also in last year's playoffs) and force our opponments 2 pound us inside, but that's not gonna be happenin anymore, it'll be utha way around now.

We'll just have 2 hope that Shaq stays healthy and cuts off our opponments bigmen production enuf, all the while keepin our offensive efficiency at least as high as it was when we had Marion 2 make up for us gettin trashed on the wings.

So Marion did a good job in on Parker??? Tony Parker only avg 21.8 ppg in the semi finals vs the Suns. Also let me be real with all you guys, I'm a huge fan of Marion, but you can tell that Marion athletizm is going away. Marion was good at defending the quick guard but he was never a shut down defender. The only reason why we think this is becouse quite frankly the other Suns players are not that good defenders so it makes Marion look that much better.

Which series were u watchin? Marion did an awesome defensive job back then. He didn't lock down Parker, but when he was defendin him he a better job on him then most the league's wing defenders

The main reason we nearly/shuda won last year's SanAN series was cuz our outside defenders did a fantastic job at defendin the wings, and the Matrix was the biggest reason our perimeter D was so good.

Manu was held at 41% FG shootin, Parker 45%, Finley 41%, and Bowen 39%.
That's significantly below their usual averages. Now that Marion's gone we aren't gonna be doin that anymore

Manu averaged 17.8 pts on 41% shootin, n Parker 20.8 pts on 45% shootin.
If u think that's bad just watch what they're put up on us without Marion, that's when you'll wish he was still around

[NapoleonII]

If the gameplan of the other team in the playoffs is "shooting jumpers", then we're in a better situation than 1-2 years ago.