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Post#21 » by tsherkin » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:57 pm

walkingart wrote: His BLK/PF stat is an indicator of his poor defensive rotation and just plain stupid mistakes by reaching and such.


Agreed, but that still encompasses part of his shot-blocking repertoire, since defensive rotation is necessary to come over and block a shot. Anyway, if you've read what I've said, I have him roughly in-line with Yao, JO and Kaman before this season anyway, so we are actually in agreement mostly.

That being said, he is a far better defender than Jermain Oneil, who gets owned by every west coast big man.


Right now, sure; but when JO was healthy, it wasn't even close.

He is also much better than Kaman.


Kaman's many times his superior as a shot-blocker this year but in terms of actual defense, I am compelled to agree.

Yao is debatable, although being a Sun fan, Yao hasn't seen much playing time against us over the years.


Yao's a better defender; he's not been allowed to play bad defense and has been taught the finer points of improving his D by Jeff Van Gundy the last few years. He's a nasty defender.

Also keep in mind, Amare is smaller than all of these players and has been guarding them for years. We can all step back and watch to see how Amare plays now that he is going to be guarding PF's instead of C's.


Yeah, and if he puts his friggin' hands up once in a while, that'd be a great start. Undersized or not, you'll do very little trying to play D with ONLY your feet. I want to beat him with a plank of wood every time I see him D up with his arms down.
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Post#22 » by KJ7 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:36 am

I actually think that he rotates well and is a great weakside blocker *this* season. He had his moments in prev seasons but this season he has been great.

The other thing is that Amare was 2nd in offensive fouls last season (Howard a clear 1st). I haven't seen the figures for this season but that's another reason why you don't want to look too much into the Blk/Fl stat IMO.

The other time he gives away some silly fouls is doubling or switching smaller players. He just reaches in a bit needlessly. Other than that he really doesn't get much love from refs the way some other more established shot-blockers do.

I think his weakside blocking is fantastic and not praised anywhere near often enough. Just look at that block the other night (first one of two on Blatche). He comes from nowhere and rams it down his throat. If anything he just needs to start getting better at directing his blocks (if you know what I mean). It just seems like too many of them are just going straight back to the opposition (even easy ones) but I guess that will come with time. I don't expect him to be Zo overnight.
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Post#23 » by tsherkin » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:39 am

KJ7 wrote:I actually think that he rotates well and is a great weakside blocker *this* season. He had his moments in prev seasons but this season he has been great.

The other thing is that Amare was 2nd in offensive fouls last season (Howard a clear 1st). I haven't seen the figures for this season but that's another reason why you don't want to look too much into the Blk/Fl stat IMO.


Got you beat there; I'm only looking at Blocks per Shooting Foul, so it completely ignores offensive fouls and defensive fouls that aren't shooting fouls.

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Post#24 » by KJ7 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:48 am

He he he ... I give up then!

Surprised by that. Altho I still maintain that I'm happy with his blocking and IMO he's up there with the better ones (not Camby-level by any means).
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Post#25 » by myron » Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:27 am

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Yao's a better defender; he's not been allowed to play bad defense and has been taught the finer points of improving his D by Jeff Van Gundy the last few years. He's a nasty defender.


Where are you going. Yaos a terrible defender. I havent seen him shut down anyone. Boozer absolutely tore him a new one in the playoffs last year
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Post#26 » by tsherkin » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:54 am

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Where are you going. Yaos a terrible defender. I havent seen him shut down anyone. Boozer absolutely tore him a new one in the playoffs last year


Yao's a fantastic defender as a center; he's a good shot-blocker, he rotates pretty well and he does a solid job against centers.

Carlos Boozer, however, is not a center; he's a power forward and Jeff Van Gundy didn't have many other options because at the time, Houston's best bets besides Yao were Juwan Howard, Shane Battier and Chuck Hayes, none of whom could have done anything on Boozer either.

One series does not define the capacity of a defender, most especially when he's defending out of position against a guy who's nine inches shorter than he and considerably more mobile.

9 inches.

That's the difference between Kobe Bryant and Zydrunas Ilgauskas, or between Tracy McGrady and TJ Ford.

It's a gap of incredible significance; you can't possibly expect a man who's nearly a foot taller to do a credible defensive job against a check like that, be realistic.
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Post#27 » by tsherkin » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:54 am

KJ7 wrote:He he he ... I give up then!

Surprised by that. Altho I still maintain that I'm happy with his blocking and IMO he's up there with the better ones (not Camby-level by any means).


I'll concede that, at least this year, he's improved over his previous years, that's pretty much unquestionable and definitely positive to see.
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Post#28 » by snowchess » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:59 pm

BurningHeart wrote:the only reason Amare's defense is subpar is because he gets no love from the refs


while i duly love amare's game, that is BS
amare's defensive woes come mainly from positioning: being at the wrong place at the right time. results in allowing loads of offensive boards, ill-timed weak side help, not rotating etc

no doubt he's able to improve in all these areas though

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