Does everyone else no longer care about stats?

myron · Post #21 » by **myron** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:43 am

i think Homer Simpson summed baseball up perfectly:

' I didn't know how boring this game was without beer'

Never Fear 33 Is Here · Post #22 » by **Never Fear 33 Is Here** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:17 am

myron wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well i mean, i'm much more impressed with a 15 assist game in the NBL, for example. Because you know they are actually assists

Like you watch steve nash's 22 assists or something on nba.com, and 5 or 6 of them are just post feeds, or throw it to someone at the elbow and they drive around their defender for a lay in.

I disagree with you and if that was the case then whoever was playing with Shaq in his prime would have lead the NBA in assists and Tony Parker would lead the league now.

By definition an assist is a pass that leads directly to a score without the receiver having to beat his man to do so. So basically a pass can be outlet to around the half court line and a player can take 3 dribbles as long as he does not have to break his forward motion.

A player would not get an assist by throwing it to the elbow and have them drive around their defender. A player however would get an assist if they passed to the player at the elbow on the move and he then takes one or two dribbles to get to the basket. See the difference?

myron · Post #23 » by **myron** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:57 am

ok don't get me wrong, i love a good assist.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GPGEMOo_Rgc

But when they award an assist at :56 (Stoudemire) the next one to Diaw, and a couple later to Barbosa (i mean, he had to launch a tough shot over Gooden) i really have to question it.

Post #24 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:50 pm

Seattlesun wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

no, absolutely not. where did you come up with this one?

Actually, there are at least one or two formulae that produce an appropriate salary value based on a player's production. Kevin Broom (TheSecretWeapon) has something like this, IIRC. Teams don't necessarily use it but it actually works itself into being a good way of judging rough value for a player so you can then work out how much you're willing to "overpay" for a play in order to secure him for your team. Like, do you really want to pay Shawn Marion $18-20M a year, for example? Or do you want to try and get him for $12-15M?

That sort of thing. It has it's value but it's contextual and, like all stats, must be used in conjunction with qualitative information as well.

Stats in a vacuum are mostly just numbers.

Never Fear 33 Is Here · Post #25 » by **Never Fear 33 Is Here** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:46 am

myron wrote:ok don't get me wrong, i love a good assist.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GPGEMOo_Rgc

But when they award an assist at :56 (Stoudemire) the next one to Diaw, and a couple later to Barbosa (i mean, he had to launch a tough shot over Gooden) i really have to question it.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with any of those assists. As I stated before, they all lead directly to a basket. The only one out of all those that I would question would be the Diaw one, but even then I still think that is an assist.

-SDU- · Post #26 » by **-SDU-** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:51 am

personally i think if a guy passes to a player who then gets fouled the passer should get .5 of an assist for each free throw made

i know they wont do that because it will make all past statistics non comparable, but whats the difference between nash feeding amare for a dunk and nash feeding amare for an attempted dunk where he is fouled and makes both free throws?

(i know the OBVIOUS difference, but to me there was still an "assist" in there)