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Article: State of the Phoenix Suns 

Post#1 » by JordansBulls » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:19 pm

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2008/09 Phoenix Suns Payroll: $72.4 million
2008/09 Estimated NBA Salary Cap: $58 million
Roughly: $14.4 million over cap


I think that is 1 million over the luxury tax as of now if that number is correct.

The Good:
After four years in Phoenix, Steve Nash still hasn't broken down or started showing his age. He only missed one game this season and managed to keep his numbers steady, averaging 16.9 points and 11.1 assists. What really makes Nash special is his fantastic shooting percentages. 50.4% from the field is very nice for a point guard, but 47% shooting from the three point line is downright ridiculous. Nash also hits 90% of his free throws, which comes in handy down the stretch. At $25.4 million over the next two years, Nash continues to be one of the best deals in the league.

The Suns were relieved when Amare Stoudemire returned from surgery the previous year and had a monster season. Now, they must be bouncing off the walls. Stoudemire played what was arguably the best season of his career in 2007-08. He scored 25.2 points, grabbed 9.1 rebounds, shot an incredible 59% from the field, and swatted an impressive 2.1 blocks per game. His highlight-reel dunks were back and he improved his jump shot quite nicely. Phoenix owes Stoudemire a handsome sum over the next three years ($49 million), but when it's being paid to one of the best power forwards in the league, it's worth every penny.

Two of the Sun's role players give them excellent value for the money. Not only is Raja Bell the team's defensive stopper, he has also shot over 40% from the three point line during his career. Think Bruce Bowen with more versatility on the offensive end. Bell will make just $5 million next season and $5.25 million the following season. An even better bargain is veteran Grant Hill. For the first time since the 1999-00 season, Hill appeared in 70 games (yes, you read that right). His numbers were efficient as always; 13.1 points, 5 boards, nearly 3 assists, and 50% shooting. Hill is a perfect compliment on this team and for only $1.9 million next year, the Suns get a real steal.

The Bad:
It's fun to say you have Shaquille O'Neal on your team. But when you have to actually watch him play and cut his checks, it's not as fun anymore. The Diesel made a big splash by coming to the desert and he rebounded pretty well as a Sun, averaging 10.6 per game. However, he isn't quick enough anymore to be much of a shot blocker, his offensive moves are clunky, and he is still a horrible liability at the free throw line. For the right price, Shaq is definitely worth having on your team. For $20 million each of the next two years, Shaq is a giant salary cap hog.

When Stoudamire came back from his injury, Boris Diaw's numbers predictably dropped. They continued to drop this season as well, putting him squarely in the overpaid category at $9 million a year for the next four years. Diaw is certainly a versatile talent and one of the best passing forwards in the game, but he is almost too unselfish and seems content to just move the ball around instead of being more aggressive with his scoring opportunities. After Marion was traded, Diaw appeared to play a little better. Perhaps a full season without the Matrix will ignite a turnaround.

The Future:
The Phoenix Suns, as we knew them, are gone. Even though they were winning a crazy amount of games and going deep in the playoffs most years, the team decided to completely shake things up with the Shaq trade. Then, when they lost to a great Spurs team in the first round (hardly a bad thing), they felt no need to retain Mike D’Antoni, a coach that won 70% of his games the past four seasons. Call me silly, but I just don’t get it. Do they really think Terry Porter is capable of getting them over the hump? I would have had a little more patience and taken my chances with D’Antoni.

The top six players in the rotation are all signed for at least the next two years, so the window of opportunity for a championship is small. If Shaq truly has nothing left in the tank, the Suns aren’t going anywhere in the postseason. Drafting Robin Lopez certainly made sense considering O’Neal hasn’t played in more than 61 games since 2004-05. If Phoenix makes any kind of big move, it might involve Leandro Barbosa. His stats were down a bit from last season, although they are still quite good for the $6 to $7.5 million he’ll receive each of the next four years, which makes him a valuable trade asset. If the Suns start slow, they might be forced to pull the trigger on a deal to try and salvage what time still remains for this contending team.

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Re: Article: State of the Phoenix Suns 

Post#2 » by NashtyNas » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:43 am

We all know about everything this article reads, but a good post to sum it all up. But, I don't think there can be any turnaround on Boris' play unless he is traded, because he simply cant coexist with Stoudemire, and SHAQ at that. So it's imminent he needs to be traded, with his hefty contract and not so great play, but I think trading him at the deadline will be the most likely scenario, especially if he helps his stock rise with some nice play by starting at the three. Also, Mike D, wether others agree or not, needed to part ways with this franchise. I blame him for a lot of things, including not utilizing draft's corretcly, trading away picks, not developing young players, and flat out horrible defensive schemes.
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Re: Article: State of the Phoenix Suns 

Post#3 » by Miklo » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:56 am

sd1306 wrote:Also, Mike D, wether others agree or not, needed to part ways with this franchise.


Agree.

he simply cant coexist with Stoudemire, and SHAQ at that


Disagree. You've mentioned it a couple times, but I don't buy it. Sure, his stats went down when Amare returned but that doesn't mean they can't coexist. On the contrary, I think once Diaw, Amare and Shaq spend some more time together they will each fall into their respective place. Diaw has the potential to be a completely unique player in this league; we just need to let him do "his thing", and give him more confidence. Shaq should not be getting too many offensive touches; Amare gets the ball when we want to pound it inside or when he has a defender who lags he can pull up for the jumper, Nash plays his game, and Bell does more of the outside shooting while Diaw (when he is in, obviously account for Hill too) is our slasher. As the article above mentions, Diaw needs to be "more selfish", and actually slash with the ball and score. Then, he can also make plays on the fly as he cuts. I didn't write this in a good order at all, but you get my point.
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Re: Article: State of the Phoenix Suns 

Post#4 » by Mr. Sun » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:31 am

If Porter posts Shaq up within dunking distance of the basket I think the Suns can turn things around.

In any event, will be exciting when Shaq and Nash comes off the books!
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Post#5 » by chrice » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:30 am

miklo714 wrote:
sd1306 wrote:Also, Mike D, wether others agree or not, needed to part ways with this franchise.


Agree.

he simply cant coexist with Stoudemire, and SHAQ at that


Disagree. You've mentioned it a couple times, but I don't buy it. Sure, his stats went down when Amare returned but that doesn't mean they can't coexist.



Disagree with you on that. Not even looking at the stats, they simply don't play well together. They never have, and show no signs of improvement in doing so. Hopefully I jinx it, but I don't see how you can buy it if you actually watched every game they've played together and paid attention to their interaction and communication.
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Re: Article: State of the Phoenix Suns 

Post#6 » by walkingart » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:19 pm

If they employ Diaw as a point forward, running pick and roll with Amare and cutting off the entry pass to Shaq and spotting up in the corners for kick outs, he can do very well. Usually when he is in the game, Nash is on the court, so he becomes a spot up shooter which is not his forte. If they use him to run the offense when Nash is out, and play him at PF when Amare sits, he can be very useful. It will also get him in a rythm, so that he can play the SF spot to close out games and not get lost in the shuffle or take away from Amare's touches.

And it is yet to be determined what kind of half court offense we are going to run next season, Cartwright has a lot of experience with the triangle and princeton motion sets, and hopefully Porter will adopt a little bit of both of them. That may make it easier for Diaw to get more involved as well.
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Post#7 » by eastsidecrossover » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:19 am

Im not sure how Doris is going to play the SF position for us. I am not as optimistic as some, and no way in hell you are running p-n-r with amare and shaq on the court. Doris is not that good, and I really see this hurting our inside game with all 3 in. We need that slasher and outsider shooter. Unless he improves his outside shot, Im not seeing him playing to his potential. Hill is the best we have at the 3.

He ran the p-n-r with marion well, but has not shown that with amare, and marion is just a freak athlete. To make him more affective, we need………………SHOOTERS! Remember, marion can shot the 3, Tim Thomas, nash, and Bell during that year? You also had JR and Barbs who can shot the 3. We do not have that now.

Hill is a good mid range shooter, Shaq can’t shot, and all we have is three 3pt shooters on this team.

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