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Re: The official no hope thread 

Post#61 » by JohnVancouver » Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:32 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
For next yr, I am for setting Nash free. All he has to do is ask....and I would not blame him if he did. suppose we just cut him and signed Andre Miller instead ??? Would we be better?

In fact, I am for a complete dismantling.... anyone and everyone...

I think we will see a departure list as crowded as our own bandwagon bailers



--- I think Frank's got it. There's a nice list of talent on this team but they aren't the right combination.
Better to just start over while we have some talent to barter with

Shaq has real value with the combination of his resurgent play and health, plus huge expiring contract. Nash's "back-breaking" deal is what, $14m? For one year? There are a number of teams that would love to have him and two that he would be happy to go to. I don't see him taking a big cut in salary so he can stay here through a rebuild. Would you?

J_Rich is harder to move, certainly.

But after all that, Kerr needs to have a plan for what team he's trying to assemble. He's been itching to dismantle this one and now's his chance. Best guess is he wants a Spurs -type team.
The West already has one and they're pretty good at it. I don't see cobbling one together in a year and competing. They also don't have Pop to run it.
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Re: The official no hope thread 

Post#62 » by toucansma » Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:46 pm

Nash's deal is back breaking? Are you serious???????????????????????????????? It is not like he is a scrub that makes an occasional shot (see Mo Williams). The dude basically kept this team in every game this season (everyone he played in). If I hear another person complain about TOs I will flip and then reference TOs with other PGs, including Stockton and Magic.

People are missing something huge. WE ARE MISSING AMARE STOUDEMIRE!!!!!!!!!!!! Say what you want about him but he is a major player that makes a huge difference. Also don't tell me we won without before. That was a different time period with a different team.

I think any team with a healthy Nash and healthy Amare is a force. Nash is still one of the top PGs. You just need either Dragic or another "younging" to come in and learn behind Nash for 2-3 years down the line.
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Re: The official no hope thread 

Post#63 » by rsavaj » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:21 pm

We have to go 15-3 and the Mavs have to go 9-9 for us to make the playoffs.

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Post#64 » by BurningHeart » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:55 pm

The problem is. I don't want to rebuild under Steve Kerr. He's not the right man for the job. Kerr needs to go first BEFORE we rebuild the team.
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Post#65 » by jazzy_jeff » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:25 am

And for those of us who were still blindly clinging to hope, the Mavs won in Portland tonight

Now even I have a hard time staying optomistic
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Post#66 » by rsavaj » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:43 pm

Who knows, maybe we'll embark on an 18 game winning streak :-D
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Post#67 » by jazzy_jeff » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:07 pm

rsavaj wrote:Who knows, maybe we'll embark on an 18 game winning streak :-D


At this point, that's probably what it will take to make it.

Go 18-0, and maybe you catch Dallas. Or perhaps Denver.

So then, it starts to night. Beat Cleveland and it's 17-0! :D
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Post#68 » by Biff » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:43 pm

toucansma wrote: It is not like he is a scrub that makes an occasional shot (see Mo Williams).


Whoa there buddy, Mo Williams certainly is not a scrub who makes an occasional shot. Dude is shooting 47% from the field, 43% from 3pt line and 94% from the ft line. While he's not as good of a shooter as Nash, he's definitely one of the better shooters in the league. He's a big reason the Cavs went from having a negative point differential to leading the league. Obviously not the only reason, but a big one.

Replace Mo Williams with Mike James and then we can agree.
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Re: The official no hope thread 

Post#69 » by rsavaj » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:45 am

No hope anymore.
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Post#70 » by DaDragicShow » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:54 am

Ladies and gentleman do you believe in miracles. ;)
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Post#71 » by BurningHeart » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:06 am

arizonaplaya85 wrote:Ladies and gentleman do you believe in miracles. ;)


No, I believe in piece of crap teams who can't even beat the worst team in the league when their backs are literally against the wall to make the playoffs.

I believe in teams who are cursed from day one, losing coinflips, the best game in NBA history, the 1993 Finals on a buzzer beater, blowing 3-1 series leads, kisses of death, never being able to beat a single franchise, playing in games that end up being part of mob investigations, fights that spill out onto the court, bloody noses, injuries at the absolute best times, general managers who were previously broadcasters, selling draft picks, missed free throws, low basketball IQs, wasting the time of future hall of famers, trading away glue and heart for drunk morons, and much, much more.

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Re: The official no hope thread 

Post#72 » by rsavaj » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:09 am

BurningHeart wrote:
arizonaplaya85 wrote:Ladies and gentleman do you believe in miracles. ;)


No, I believe in piece of crap teams who can't even beat the worst team in the league when their backs are literally against the wall to make the playoffs.

I believe in teams who are cursed from day one, losing coinflips, the best game in NBA history, the 1993 Finals on a buzzer beater, blowing 3-1 series leads, kisses of death, never being able to beat a single franchise, playing in games that end up being part of mob investigations, fights that spill out onto the court, bloody noses, injuries at the absolute best times, general managers who were previously broadcasters, selling draft picks, missed free throws, low basketball IQs, wasting the time of future hall of famers, trading away glue and heart for drunk morons, and much, much more.

I believe in the Phoenix Suns.



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Post#73 » by TASTIC » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:15 am

I'm firmly in here


I WANT us to make it, cos we'd put up a better effort against LAL than DAL. But we aren't making it. Things have been given to us, and we haven't taken them

The Matt Barnes Pass to Hill should be known as the pass that sealed the season

The MBP goes to Barnes...
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Re: The official no hope thread 

Post#74 » by Donald Kaufman » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:47 am

I was/am rooting for you guys to sneak in at the 8th seed. I think Lakers-Mavs will be brutal, at least you guys would make it interesting.

GL the rest of the way.
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Post#75 » by albasuna » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:17 pm

Turnover King wrote:I was/am rooting for you guys to sneak in at the 8th seed. I think Lakers-Mavs will be brutal, at least you guys would make it interesting.

GL the rest of the way.



yah a lakers-mavs matchup is slaughter. lakers-suns would also probably be pretty lopsided too, at least it would be entertaining.
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Re: The official no hope thread 

Post#76 » by dantian » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:43 pm

MaryvalesFinest wrote:As long as Steve Nash is here this team wont be going very far, they might be able to squeak in to the playoffs this year or next year but other than that I don't see them getting to the finals or passed the first round.

I took alot of heat for criticizing Nash in the past and I probally still would get some but look, this isn't a one time thing it's a pattern. Just look at this road trip Nash gave up career highs to Cook and Brooks and let Parker scorch him again. As long as Nash is the starting pg, nothing is going to change.


It's more about limiting Nash to around 30 min a game, so that he has fresh legs to play better defense. The way Gentry gave Nash 42 min in a B2B what's the reason we lost last night, that's why there is no hope. Any good game we played since Amare injury starts with the bench players doing great things for extended stretches. In the 6 game losing streak plus unexplicably last night's loss to Kings, Gentry didn't trust the bench, Nash played huge minutes and led the team in scoring.
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Post#77 » by albasuna » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:39 am

dantian wrote:
It's more about limiting Nash to around 30 min a game, so that he has fresh legs to play better defense. The way Gentry gave Nash 42 min in a B2B what's the reason we lost last night, that's why there is no hope. Any good game we played since Amare injury starts with the bench players doing great things for extended stretches. In the 6 game losing streak plus unexplicably last night's loss to Kings, Gentry didn't trust the bench, Nash played huge minutes and led the team in scoring.



You obviously didn't watch the game. Those are all the wrong reasons the Suns lost last night. The whole team was just fatigued, they were playing at 30% capacity during much of the first half. Usually the bench keeps us in the game but last night was different, they were erratic and sloppy, and defecit increased. Steve Nash was the only reason the Suns were in the game during the end of the game, he was nailing 3s like they were free throws. Gentry`s only hope for winning that game was playing Nash the whole game.
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Post#78 » by rsavaj » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:42 am

albasuna wrote:
dantian wrote:
It's more about limiting Nash to around 30 min a game, so that he has fresh legs to play better defense. The way Gentry gave Nash 42 min in a B2B what's the reason we lost last night, that's why there is no hope. Any good game we played since Amare injury starts with the bench players doing great things for extended stretches. In the 6 game losing streak plus unexplicably last night's loss to Kings, Gentry didn't trust the bench, Nash played huge minutes and led the team in scoring.



Those are all the wrong reasons the Suns lost last night. The whole team was just fatigued, they were playing at 30% capacity during much of the first half. Usually the bench keeps us in the game but last night was different, they were erratic and sloppy, and defecit increased. Steve Nash was the only reason the Suns were in the game during the end of the game, he was nailing 3s like they were free throws. Gentry`s only hope for winning that game was playing Nash the whole game.

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