Who's coming back next season?

[Mr. Sun]

Where exactly in this thread do you see me advocating getting rid of either of those guys?

Any other words you want to put in my mouth and falsely attribute to me?

Well what other conclusion can one draw from such constant Amare or Lou bashing? You always been all for trading amare in the past: "The Suns need to trade either Amare or Steve Nash for some defensive players. This is what we need to do asap!"

[rsavaj]

Where exactly in this thread do you see me advocating getting rid of either of those guys?

Any other words you want to put in my mouth and falsely attribute to me?

Well what other conclusion can one draw from such constant Amare or Lou bashing? You always been all for trading amare in the past: "The Suns need to trade either Amare or Steve Nash for some defensive players. This is what we need to do asap!"

lmao, I never said that, and where have I bashed Lou? If you mean that I haven't excessively praised him like you, than sure, but I've never bashed him, and I've never, ever advocated trading Nash for defensive purposes, ever. If I've ever made trade Nash suggestion, it has been in a "set him free" sort of way, not a "we'll be better w/o him" sort of way. Again, stop attributing false statements to me; it's getting irritating.

And pardon me for having a different opinion about Amare than you or Miklo; I see him as a finely-tuned offensive role-player and a massive defensive liability, and you both clearly disagree with me. You view Lou Amundson as a starting-caliber player, and I disagree with you. I think he's a fantastic man to have off the bench, simple as that. No need to start making up crap and attributing it to me, that's just bad form. I love the "constant" thrown in there for good measure.

And just to top it off, I love how you completely ignore my backing of BurningHeart's statement, which implies that I'm in favor of keeping them and finding guys to cover for them.

[chrice]

I just can't believe they tried to trade Amare at the trading deadline. Here's a guy who:

- Is only 26 years old

- Averaged 28 PPG last year after the Shaq trade

- Averaged 37 PPG against Duncan in the 2005 conference finals

- First Team All-NBA in 2006-2007

Rudy Gay - 23 years old? - averaging 19/5
Mike Conley - 22 years old? - averaging 11/4
Warrick - 26 years old - 11/5
+ First round lotto pick

In that trade you add two future starters, potential all star, backup forward, and you have a chance to get another star player in the draft. Suns needed to fortify their bench, might miss the scoring from Amare, but Gay has been known to put up 25+ games himself. I would have to think hard about declining that trade if it wasn't on the table.

[tigerblood]

I just can't believe they tried to trade Amare at the trading deadline. Here's a guy who:

- Is only 26 years old

- Averaged 28 PPG last year after the Shaq trade

- Averaged 37 PPG against Duncan in the 2005 conference finals

- First Team All-NBA in 2006-2007

Rudy Gay - 23 years old? - averaging 19/5
Mike Conley - 22 years old? - averaging 11/4
Warrick - 26 years old - 11/5
+ First round lotto pick

In that trade you add two future starters, potential all star, backup forward, and you have a chance to get another star player in the draft. Suns needed to fortify their bench, might miss the scoring from Amare, but Gay has been known to put up 25+ games himself. I would have to think hard about declining that trade if it wasn't on the table.

I can't believe Sarver asked for all that for Amare. That trade would have nearly been a complete rebuild for us in one shot. I would have kicked a donkey if that trade happened, out of happiness.

P.S. Sarver loves Rudy so I woudln't be surprised if he starts calling Memphis again soon.

[Inconspicuous]

amare is a mediocre defender, but really his defense can be masked. if the suns had better perimeter defenders who weren't getting beat off the dribble everytime down the court, and we had a paint patrolling big man ala camby, none of you guys would be saying anything about amare's defense. poor individual defense can be replaced with good team defense if the right plan is put into place. look at matt bonner on the spurs. he's a bad defender, much worse than amare, but he doesn't get exposed so much unless it's a purely one on one in the post. why? because the team has a defensive gameplan. amare has never had that. if you put amare on the spurs right now his defense wouldn't be as exposed and he'd likely look above average defensively playing next to a good defensive center (duncan).

[tigerblood]

amare is a mediocre defender, but really his defense can be masked. if the suns had better perimeter defenders who weren't getting beat off the dribble everytime down the court, and we had a paint patrolling big man ala camby, none of you guys would be saying anything about amare's defense. poor individual defense can be replaced with good team defense if the right plan is put into place. look at matt bonner on the spurs. he's a bad defender, much worse than amare, but he doesn't get exposed so much unless it's a purely one on one in the post. why? because the team has a defensive gameplan. amare has never had that. if you put amare on the spurs right now his defense wouldn't be as exposed and he'd likely look above average defensively playing next to a good defensive center (duncan).

word.

[nevetsov]

We need to gene splice Lou with Amare, man that would be unstoppable.

LOUMARE FTW

Man that would make a pretty good sig.

[Inconspicuous]

We need to gene splice Lou with Amare, man that would be unstoppable.

LOUMARE FTW

Man that would make a pretty good sig.

amare with lou's hustle and urgency would probably average 12 rebounds a game and 2 blocks, dude is so physically gifted, just needs the work ethic and mindset. i think he never had the opportunity to get this mindset because he played under d'antoni so much he adopted bad habits, habits that a lot of the suns players have.

[WTFsunsFTW]

I hate hate haters.

[rsavaj]

I hate hate haters.

I guess the Suns are haters too, since they tried to trade Amare at the deadline and according to Coro will consider moving him before extending him this offseason.

[Inconspicuous]

calling out amare's defense for being bad isn't being a hater. i love the dude, i always believed in him, called him the man child when he was drafted, but he clearly has serious deficiencies in his game. that being said, the suns can cover up his issues by putting balanced, hustling players around him.

[Austin]

Get rid of JRich, Shaq and Barnes. Keep the rest and replace them with more defence oriented players at their positions. Start Barbosa.

[TASTIC]

Keep

Dudley
Amare
Nash
Hill
Barbosa
Amundson

Move/upgrade if possible
Shaq - as SDU's said though, he IS the biggest expiring, he knows the system, he generates revenue and we're unlikely to see many takers anyway...and he can still play, so unless we get Chandler + Posey + Daniels for JRich + Shaq, we're probably better sitting pretty
RoLo - I don't see anything more than 6-5 in 20 foul prone minutes...Move him before he's totally exposed...SEAN WILLIAMS!! he's going to be working out with Amare, Brook is in NJ....Doooo it!
Tucker...I like him, but we don't need another tweener who can't hit the 3 or defend well
Stro...he'd probably be fine here, but will get more than we can afford most likely
Dragic...ugh...He came on towards the end there, I just don't see anything better than young Udrih
JRich...not the SG we need. He's a decent player, but I'd rather a defensive SG or SF like Battier or Artest or Posey, and move Barbosa into the starting lineup

[JohnVancouver]

[quote="TASTIC"]Keep

Dudley
Amare
Nash
Hill
Barbosa
Amundson

---- Exactly.

Move/upgrade if possible
Shaq - as SDU's said though, he IS the biggest expiring, he knows the system, he generates revenue and we're unlikely to see many takers anyway...and he can still play, so unless we get Chandler + Posey + Daniels for JRich + Shaq, we're probably better sitting pretty

--- I still think we can unload him, but if he stays there's no need to play him huge minutes, despite what he costs. I really like Sean Williams here (and marcus Williams as well - what's with NJ's draft picks lately?)

Stro is going to be playing for a contract at camp, vet min. Either the shows something or he doesn't. What a wasted talent

[rsavaj]

I don't mind adding Tragic to the keeper list, b/c sadly he's the first not totally incompetent backup we've had in the Nash era.

[Inconspicuous]

we should've tried j-rich for raef laefrentz before the trade deadline
i don't wanna see barnes/jrich/lopez come back

[Austin]

Keep

Dudley
Amare
Nash
Hill
Barbosa
Amundson

Move/upgrade if possible
Shaq - as SDU's said though, he IS the biggest expiring, he knows the system, he generates revenue and we're unlikely to see many takers anyway...and he can still play, so unless we get Chandler + Posey + Daniels for JRich + Shaq, we're probably better sitting pretty
RoLo - I don't see anything more than 6-5 in 20 foul prone minutes...Move him before he's totally exposed...SEAN WILLIAMS!! he's going to be working out with Amare, Brook is in NJ....Doooo it!
Tucker...I like him, but we don't need another tweener who can't hit the 3 or defend well
Stro...he'd probably be fine here, but will get more than we can afford most likely
Dragic...ugh...He came on towards the end there, I just don't see anything better than young Udrih
JRich...not the SG we need. He's a decent player, but I'd rather a defensive SG or SF like Battier or Artest or Posey, and move Barbosa into the starting lineup

I like your thinking!!!