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Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season

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Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#1 » by Suns247 » Sat May 2, 2009 1:56 am

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I was messing around on basketball-reference.com and found something pretty interesting. If you compare Dragic's rookie season to Nash's, they are actually very similar, stats and situation. Both were stuck behind an established NBA point guard (Dragic behind Nash, Nash behind KJ), both were 22 years of age, and both have VERY similar stats.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... 2=1997&=&=

Per Game
Nash- 10.5mpg, .423% fg, .418% 3pt, 1.0reb, 2.1ast, 3.3pts
Dragic- 13.2mpg, .393% fg, .370% 3pt, 1.9reb, 2.0ast, 4.5pts

Per 36
Nash- 3.3reb, 7.3ast, 11.2pts
Dragic- 5.1reb, 5.5ast, 12.2pts

I know some people will say those stats don't tell much, but we have to keep in mind the effect Gentry had on Dragic in the second half of the season. If you account for the "Porter effect", I believe Dragic's stats would have been a lot better. I don't know, I found it to be very interesting. Just goes to show we need to have faith in Dragic. He really turned me into a believer the second half of the season!
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#2 » by nanoclarkology » Sat May 2, 2009 2:46 am

The thing I want to know is can he defend? Can he become a better defender than he is now? And can he run the offense to spell Nash consistently.

I know some people are lamenting the fact that Rondo isn't playing for us. But I really don't think he would be the same person/player he is now if he played for the Suns. I don't think he would of had the same time playing that he did under Doc.

I say cheers to Dragic actually working out for us.
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#3 » by MaryvalesFinest » Sat May 2, 2009 3:36 am

Dragic might be able to become a solid backup in the future but I don't think he's the answer. Other teams have great pg's or are going to get them through the draft, if you took Dragic and put him in as a starter he would likely be the worst pg starter in the league. This is going to be a deep pg draft in 2009 and I hope the Suns use the #14 wisely and get themselves a pg of the future.
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#4 » by TXSun » Sat May 2, 2009 4:02 am

lets hope for a good sophomore season from Dragic. started off horribly, but picked up a lil towards the end of the season. But if we draft Ty Lawson, then Dragic might be in trouble.
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Post#5 » by Mr. Sun » Sat May 2, 2009 6:38 am

nanoclarkology wrote:The thing I want to know is can he defend? Can he become a better defender than he is now? And can he run the offense to spell Nash consistently.

Absolutely.
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#6 » by lilfishi22 » Sat May 2, 2009 6:50 am

TXSun wrote:lets hope for a good sophomore season from Dragic. started off horribly, but picked up a lil towards the end of the season. But if we draft Ty Lawson, then Dragic might be in trouble.


I'm not a fan of Ty Lawson, I don't think he has what it takes to be a good starter in this league. He's got mad handles and an improving shot but he's only like 5'11, his defense would be quite limited in that regard, not saying he can't get better but he'll be limited physically.

imo we need a backup vet in case Dragic slumps or when Nash gets injured. As good as Lawson may be, if we draft him, we'd be in the same position as we were in the beginning of last season when we had Dragic and Singletary to back Nash, and that just isn't the answer.
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#7 » by TXSun » Sat May 2, 2009 4:02 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
TXSun wrote:lets hope for a good sophomore season from Dragic. started off horribly, but picked up a lil towards the end of the season. But if we draft Ty Lawson, then Dragic might be in trouble.


I'm not a fan of Ty Lawson, I don't think he has what it takes to be a good starter in this league. He's got mad handles and an improving shot but he's only like 5'11, his defense would be quite limited in that regard, not saying he can't get better but he'll be limited physically.

imo we need a backup vet in case Dragic slumps or when Nash gets injured. As good as Lawson may be, if we draft him, we'd be in the same position as we were in the beginning of last season when we had Dragic and Singletary to back Nash, and that just isn't the answer.

real GM mock draft has Lawson going 14th to who else....PHX!
14. Ty Lawson
Point Guard. North Carolina

Lawson's game is almost completely predicated on the extreme speed of his dribble and he will be an ideal point guard for an athletic young team that likes to run with him. He has matured in his decision-making this season and has also dramatically improved his perimeter shot. With that said, his injuries are concerning and there aren't too many 5'11" players that have had successful careers, so he has to be even more special than he's been for UNC.
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#8 » by lilfishi22 » Sat May 2, 2009 4:23 pm

TXSun wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
TXSun wrote:lets hope for a good sophomore season from Dragic. started off horribly, but picked up a lil towards the end of the season. But if we draft Ty Lawson, then Dragic might be in trouble.


I'm not a fan of Ty Lawson, I don't think he has what it takes to be a good starter in this league. He's got mad handles and an improving shot but he's only like 5'11, his defense would be quite limited in that regard, not saying he can't get better but he'll be limited physically.

imo we need a backup vet in case Dragic slumps or when Nash gets injured. As good as Lawson may be, if we draft him, we'd be in the same position as we were in the beginning of last season when we had Dragic and Singletary to back Nash, and that just isn't the answer.

real GM mock draft has Lawson going 14th to who else....PHX!
14. Ty Lawson
Point Guard. North Carolina

Lawson's game is almost completely predicated on the extreme speed of his dribble and he will be an ideal point guard for an athletic young team that likes to run with him. He has matured in his decision-making this season and has also dramatically improved his perimeter shot. With that said, his injuries are concerning and there aren't too many 5'11" players that have had successful careers, so he has to be even more special than he's been for UNC.


yer i know. I'm hoping we don't pick him with out 14th. I don't think there's ever been a time when developing two rookie pg's behind a a star point guard ever worked out. imo we need a defensive specialist who can play the 1 and 2, and I don't think we'll find it in this years draft.
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#9 » by Suns247 » Sat May 2, 2009 5:26 pm

In my opinion, we need to draft an athletic SF with the 14. We currently have Matt Barnes and Grant Hill at that position, so we could use some youth as those two won't be around forever. It would be great if the pick could could guard 3 or 4 positions. Hey wait, that sounds a lot like some Shawn guy we used to have...
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#10 » by ma_falaa_50 » Sat May 2, 2009 8:42 pm

I agree Sam young from Pitt would be a pick that makes more sense. he has size, athletic ability, length, rebounding skills, and the willingness to play defense.
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#11 » by chrice » Sat May 2, 2009 8:53 pm

Suns247 wrote:In my opinion, we need to draft an athletic SF with the 14.


Pretty weak draft outside of the top 10. Normally in the case of the Suns, where we could use depth at virtually every position (depending on what position you consider barbosa and friends), I think it'd be smarter to go BPA. But I do agree we need an athletic 2/3 because we're lacking a defender to throw on the likes of Kobe/Wade/Lebron etc.. If we were to draft on need, Center would be the most pressing need in my opinion, but there's only crap after Thabeet.
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#12 » by eastsidecrossover » Sun May 3, 2009 4:03 am

The thing you’re missing here is that the nash played behind two great PG's while he was with the suns his rookie season. I really do not think you can compare their numbers when you look at who he played behind vs. Drafgic. Nash was known as a very good PG in college, Dragic has not proven even in the Euro leagues he is a what many think he can become. Dragic might be a starter, but will never be anything special in past PG's this team has seen. If he can play D and we have a SG that can create his shot and well as for others, then he will be fine. Most likely, he is a backup.

And please stop with the Ty Lawson pick. He is not going to be anything special.
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Re: Dragic Rookie Season vs. Nash Rookie Season 

Post#13 » by TheMoochinator » Sun May 3, 2009 4:11 am

eastsidecrossover wrote:The thing you’re missing here is that the nash played behind two great PG's while he was with the suns his rookie season. I really do not think you can compare their numbers when you look at who he played behind vs. Drafgic. Nash was known as a very good PG in college, Dragic has not proven even in the Euro leagues he is a what many think he can become. Dragic might be a starter, but will never be anything special in past PG's this team has seen. If he can play D and we have a SG that can create his shot and well as for others, then he will be fine. Most likely, he is a backup.

And please stop with the Ty Lawson pick. He is not going to be anything special.



You said everything I wanted to say including the Ty Lawson part.

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