Good Stuff: Chandler Info

[BobbieL]

that experiment failed miserably already with stoudemire at center. amare doesn't defend or play enough defense. if the suns aren't getting chandler - and thats fine as wallace is a definite buyout or ability to still that contract to another team - get wilcox to play the defensive 5. and then, try to find a guard that can guard somebody.

Yeah dude, I agree. If Chandler is a no go, then we should definitely just buy out Wallace and bring in someone relatively cheap but productive like Wilcox. Maybe move Pavs for a defensive 1/2.

Far as I can see, the Shaq trade was made with the finances in mind, Chandler and other trades for Wallace's contract came 2nd.

Thing is, buying out Wallace does nothing for our salary cap. His contract is guaranteed. We don't have to pay him as much over the season, but his salary still figures into our cap number.

Pavlovic is different, he only has a small amount of guaranteed money which counts against the cap. You can waive him and only the guaranteed money counts against the cap.

Excellent point about Wallace - so even if the Suns buy him out for $10m - the $14 is on the cap but it only costs them $10m. That is why the Tyson Chandler deal (if he were healthy) would be so good for this year - a better player but at $11.7m - so the Suns would be saving another $2.3m on the Shaq deal (combined with the $3.45m from Pavlovic) and a HEALTHY Chandler no doubt would be a nice 5 to Amare's four. Granted, an unhealthy Chandler with a player option for next year - probably not the best idea.

That being said, I still hope the Suns can use the Wallace contract for more then a buyout. Look at how the Mavs got the Grizz involved with a trade to get Marion. Teams will want Wallace's contract for cap reasons. So, I am hopeful the Suns will still try to use that contract to get a player that can help them this year.

[eastsidecrossover]

DirtyDez, i was going to say that, Gambo was right. hmmmmmm.

I agree SDU. Why not ride this season out and go after a big FA next year. If the suns can get a reasonable deal done for nash and a near max for Amare, than that is an enticing team to go to as a FA. If the suns are not competitors, than they can find a team that is contending and needing another scorer/athlete in JRich and you can get an expiring contract maybe to free up some money. Let the young’s develop with nash and Amare.

Last, here we go again with certain suns fans going off and questioning this dude. Really, who cares? Let it go. Im all for the suns not bringing in TC if he is damaged big time.

[BobbieL]

DirtyDez, i was going to say that, Gambo was right. hmmmmmm.

I agree SDU. Why not ride this season out and go after a big FA next year. If the suns can get a reasonable deal done for nash and a near max for Amare, than that is an enticing team to go to as a FA. If the suns are not competitors, than they can find a team that is contending and needing another scorer/athlete in JRich and you can get an expiring contract maybe to free up some money. Let the young’s develop with nash and Amare.

Last, here we go again with certain suns fans going off and questioning this dude. Really, who cares? Let it go. Im all for the suns not bringing in TC if he is damaged big time.

So - just throwing this out there as a question following up from this post about the Suns going for a big time free agent -- but if the Rockets were willing - would you trade

JRich and Wallace's contract for McGrady

My reasoning is that Wallace is not giving the team anything this year, and if you get rid of JRich's longer term deal - the team could really be players next summer. Granted, the downside is McGrady is a huge risk for this year - might not play until midyear maybe with the micro fracture surgery.

[rsavaj]

Yeah, i definitely would, especially if you could get Budinger and a first out of them(deal's on the trade board). My deal would be Rich+Wallace+Griff for Dorsey+Budinger+2010 first+T Pain

Nash/Goran
Barbosa/Tucker/Budinger
Hill/Clark
Dudley/Amundson/Dorsey
Amare/Lopez

Not fantastic by any means, but it gives us a lot of flexibility and speeds up the development of our younger wings. Add a vet big(Wilcox/Frye) and a young wing(Green, STRAWBERRY!) and i think you have a quasi competitive team that's ready to blow it up if need be since you have youth and that 2010 pick. The other thing to consider about Gentry's system+Nash is that as long as Nash is running the show, the parts are replaceable, so i still think we'll be able to score points like crazy. Defensively...who the hell cares, it's not like we're winning a title in the next few years.

Let's say we rehab T-Pain enough to the point that he's productive, and add two guys from my list

Nash/Goran/Strawberry
T-Mac/Barbosa/Budinger
Hill/Dudley/Tucker
Wilcox/Amundson/Clark/Dorsey
Amare/Lopez

All of a sudden things start looking up...that's a team that can advance in the playoffs(w/ a healthy McGrady, disregarding the T-Pain curse) AND a team where every starter comes off the books at the end of the season for a full rebuild. Gives you a lot of options with Amare, Nash, etc.

[JohnVancouver]

Ask yourself this: Why in the world would Thunder (last year) and Suns (this year) pass up on a 7-foot 26 year old who averaged 12pts/12rebs and was a monster in 2007?

Chandler is essentially being HANDED to anyone who asks for him and there is a reason: All the trainers and personnel have come to a conclusion that he will not be able to continue. He has a large contract and his legs are not going to last longer than his contract.

Not to be callous, but if we trade for Chandler and he can't play or only lasts a year, doesn't insurance pick up his contract at 80%?
That's assuming he passes a physical, which was the problem in OKC.

What exactly is wrong with him? The only thing I ever heard was 'turf toe."

[JohnVancouver]

why do we need dalambert? lets not just get a C for the sake of getting one, especially such an overpaid one

id rather sign oberto and wilcox for half the money dalambert earns

Wilcox, or Sean Williams. Don't know what we could do with NJ for Williams but thatwoudl be nice

or .... Stro Show for a year.
He'd get eaten though

[JohnVancouver]

TX - leave it alone man, it's grating on everyone's nerves. If you see IHG, ignore it if it's bothering you so much

TASTIC, we are closing in on pages and pages of nonsense with these IHG threads and posts. why are you allowing this? it's getting everyone all worked-up. All we are doing now is complaining about how PHX hasn't pulled the trigger on anything and before you know there pops up another "IHG says" thread and people go at it for pages and pages before someone agains says "why isn't phx doing anything". Do you get the trend developing here? It all starts with these "IHG says" bs. why do you allow such threads? really.

Friend, the only one wigging out is you. relax

[Copperhead]

I just registered, but am a long time reader of this forum. Those readers of ASFN may also recognize my name as I've had quite the history there.

In any case, I do have a connection into Suns happenings - although NOT from a direct front office source. Let's just say that I'm a trainer and know many trainers in this country, including many in the professional level. Let's leave it at that, but you know where I'm getting at.

I don't know if you guys have already discussed this or if it's been thrown out there, but know this: The Suns' Chandler deal is definitely in Suns hands. They can have Chandler anytime they want as Hornets really want Ben Wallace's contract and know Chandler is shot up. Youngster Hilton Armstrong, who has been playing and working out with Blake Griffin and his trainer in San Fransisco, CA, appears to be the starting center for the Hornets - or at least can snag it up at one point or another. Hornets feel Armstrong's workouts are progressing so well that he is making Chandler look like an old man because he does not have lateral explosiveness he once did.

I don't know what Hornets or Hornets fans in their right mind would think or feel this. Hilton Armstrong plays like a big pansy out there. He loafs around and looks like he doesn't have the skill of most AAU players let alone an NBA player. He hasn't/didn't even play better than an injured Tyson Chandler.

[Qwigglez]

I just registered, but am a long time reader of this forum. Those readers of ASFN may also recognize my name as I've had quite the history there.

In any case, I do have a connection into Suns happenings - although NOT from a direct front office source. Let's just say that I'm a trainer and know many trainers in this country, including many in the professional level. Let's leave it at that, but you know where I'm getting at.

I don't know if you guys have already discussed this or if it's been thrown out there, but know this: The Suns' Chandler deal is definitely in Suns hands. They can have Chandler anytime they want as Hornets really want Ben Wallace's contract and know Chandler is shot up. Youngster Hilton Armstrong, who has been playing and working out with Blake Griffin and his trainer in San Fransisco, CA, appears to be the starting center for the Hornets - or at least can snag it up at one point or another. Hornets feel Armstrong's workouts are progressing so well that he is making Chandler look like an old man because he does not have lateral explosiveness he once did.

I don't know what Hornets or Hornets fans in their right mind would think or feel this. Hilton Armstrong plays like a big pansy out there. He loafs around and looks like he doesn't have the skill of most AAU players let alone an NBA player. He hasn't/didn't even play better than an injured Tyson Chandler.

Yeah I never really saw anything remotely special about Hilton Armstrong. I think the Hornets are going down the drain. No one to help Chris Paul except David West. But a majority of their players are injury prone (Chandler, David West, Peja, Mo Pete, Daniels, Rasual Butler)