Go for the big fish-2010

SUNSARETHEBEST · Post #1 » by **SUNSARETHEBEST** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:50 pm

Ok where to begin...

After the Shaq trade went down and the rumors about Amare started to surface I noticed alot of fans were kind of leary on what was even going to happen. Some people were acting surprised the Suns arn't doing much but the question is why not wait till 2010? 2009 is one of the weakest free agency periods I can remember unlike next season when over 150 PLAYERS are on the market, yes you heard that right 150. That includes superstars, good players, role players and the rest...I think that's Kerr's plan also, to go for the big fish or fishes in 2010 whomever that maybe.

Now I notice alot of people are freaking out because the Suns don't have their pick next year and desperately want to see the Suns make the playoffs so the Thunder don't get the Suns pick. The reality is so what if they do? The pick was traded two years ago and wasn't property of the Suns. Some of you can act depressed because of that but it's easier to feel sorry for those poor folks living in Oklahoma City, the worse NBA city in the league. So we can all just say haha you have to live in Oklahoma City and move on to free agency a week later if that happens.

Now when FREE AGENCY opens no one even knows what's going to happen. The Suns could land one of the superstars that don't sign an extension or opt out or could add some good players or solid players. Even if the Suns don't land one of the big fish their plenty of smaller ones. They have over $20 million next season to spend on players on top of adding them to the core of Nash-Amare and the rest of the group. Surround some solid players around those guys and your set to go.

So in the end even if the Suns sign one veterans minimum player now for the rest of the summer, we still have 2010 to look forward to

Austin · Post #2 » by **Austin** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:20 pm

Great post dude. I'm still excited for 2010 even without a pick. People are all about the championship now. with what other teams are doing, baring some miricale, the Suns will most likely not win the finals anyway no matter what moves they make. We can still keep Nash and Amare next year and still pick up a quality free agent. I like your thinking!

Risensun · Post #3 » by **Risensun** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:48 pm

That's not even an option. With the Nash extension kicking in next year and an Amare Extension we should be well over the salary cap.

I'll have to double check my flash drive for exact salary numbers but we should be over even not picking up Tucker's option. We may even need to use Amundson's bird rights to sign him.

We don't have a 1st roung pick either(Which we probably couldn't afford) Barring pulling off any amazing moves this will be our core in 2010.

Cash · Post #4 » by **Cash** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:39 pm

Risensun wrote:That's not even an option. With the Nash extension kicking in next year and an Amare Extension we should be well over the salary cap.

I'll have to double check my flash drive for exact salary numbers but we should be over even not picking up Tucker's option. We may even need to use Amundson's bird rights to sign him.

We don't have a 1st roung pick either(Which we probably couldn't afford) Barring pulling off any amazing moves this will be our core in 2010.

Correct. Unless we dump Jrich for an expiring this year or renounce Amare's rights next year, there's no way we'll have cap room. Especially since the cap is dropping. This is it, folks. This is our team. Any major changes in the next 2 years will have to come by trade (unless we lose Amare).

Post #5 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:40 pm

Suns will be over the cap if they give Amare an extension.
Especially with the cap going down to 55 mil.

eastsidecrossover · Post #6 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:41 am

Correct, just because we have 20 mil coming off of the books next year does not mean we can bring in 20 mil in contracts. Suns are WAY over the cap and cannot bring in anyone, really over the MLE if Amare is resigned. Maybe some solid players, but really, not much the suns can do.

But I also think most "superstars" are not going to be FA because of the money their current teams can give them. suns have to wait and see if they can get a solid player to bring in for cheap. That is how our suns work.

chrice · Post #7 » by **chrice** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:08 am

eastsidecrossover wrote:But I also think most "superstars" are not going to be FA because of the money their current teams can give them. suns have to wait and see if they can get a solid player to bring in for cheap. That is how our suns work.

I think Lebron and Wade might be exceptions to the rule. They already have plenty of incoming cash flow from business and endorsements, and could easily afford to go to New York. They're both extremely frustrated with the directions of their teams, and basically gave them ultimatums to build a championship team around them or they're gone. Especially with Lebron, he'd be crazy to stay on the Cavs given their front office's shortcomings.

Post #8 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:12 am

2010 was only an option when we had Nash, Shaq, Bell and Amare coming off the books. Nash has signed an extension, Shaq is gone along with his expiring, Wallace has already been bought out and Bell is gone. If Amare re-inks, we have no cap space.

Besides, re-inking Amare is basically our 2010 if he shows he can still play 100%. Other than that,we'd probably load up with vet min's and MLE, our bi-annual is gone to Frye.

We pretty much have no real flexibility in terms of power to sign another top FA unless someone is dumb enough to S&T for JRich.

Post #9 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:18 am

chrice wrote:
eastsidecrossover wrote:But I also think most "superstars" are not going to be FA because of the money their current teams can give them. suns have to wait and see if they can get a solid player to bring in for cheap. That is how our suns work.

I think Lebron and Wade might be exceptions to the rule. They already have plenty of incoming cash flow from business and endorsements, and could easily afford to go to New York. They're both extremely frustrated with the directions of their teams, and basically gave them ultimatums to build a championship team around them or they're gone. Especially with Lebron, he'd be crazy to stay on the Cavs given their front office's shortcomings.

You're right, those superstar FA's don't worry too much about $$$ since it's expected they get max money and whatever they lose from the shrinking cap next season, they easily make it up with their off-court deals. If I were Lebron and Wade, I'd wait for next season and find a place with a better situation.

NashtyNas · Post #10 » by **NashtyNas** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:15 am

Austin wrote:Great post dude. I'm still excited for 2010 even without a pick. People are all about the championship now. with what other teams are doing, baring some miricale, the Suns will most likely not win the finals anyway no matter what moves they make. We can still keep Nash and Amare next year and still pick up a quality free agent. I like your thinking!

Agreed. We have a great chance of picking up a center next year that will be perfect for us, even without a pick, I'm excited for next summer. If what Nash said is correct, Amar'e is going to stay with us, so we only have 2 positions to improve, Center and Shooting Guard. We need a perimeter defender from the 2, and therefore need to get rid of Richardson.

NashtyNas · Post #11 » by **NashtyNas** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:30 am

Amar'e is going to stay with us. Wade and LeBron will move, unless CLE/Miami can get a second fiddle to agree to sign and get Bron/Wade to resign. We can't sign another max free agent, but one for about 8-12mil, meaning pretty decent. We can get a combo of guys that fit what we need, example:

Haywood (8) + Brewer (5)
Camby (6) + Azubuike (6)

I really would like to get Camby this year or sign him to a 2 year, 12mil deal and pick up someone like Azubuike to start at SG while dumping Richardson for a backup PF + capspace or just capspace.

TheMan44 · Post #12 » by **TheMan44** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:06 am

I think it was ESPN's Ric Bucher who said 2010 offseason is going to be the biggest disappointing bust ever.

First off, most of the big name guys are already talking to their teams about an extension just as Nash did last week (Wade, LeBron could both resign soon). This means there simply won't be too many big names out there.

Secondly, the recession is not going away. This means you probably won't be seeing giant contracts or change in address from many players.

The 2010 is going to be the biggest let-down ever because everybody is hyping it up. In the end you're going to end up with just a couple big names headlined by Boozer and Bosh with your annual Amare trade rumors. Nothing new.

Don't expect anything. Suns will have flexibility, but that only means they'll end up getting a guy like Roger Mason, Brendan Haywood, Al Harrington, or Mike Miller....

Nothing special.

madog · Post #13 » by **madog** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 6:18 am

Sunsman44 wrote:I think it was ESPN's Ric Bucher who said 2010 offseason is going to be the biggest disappointing bust ever.

First off, most of the big name guys are already talking to their teams about an extension just as Nash did last week (Wade, LeBron could both resign soon). This means there simply won't be too many big names out there.

Secondly, the recession is not going away. This means you probably won't be seeing giant contracts or change in address from many players.

The 2010 is going to be the biggest let-down ever because everybody is hyping it up. In the end you're going to end up with just a couple big names headlined by Boozer and Bosh with your annual Amare trade rumors. Nothing new.

Don't expect anything. Suns will have flexibility, but that only means they'll end up getting a guy like Roger Mason, Brendan Haywood, Al Harrington, or Mike Miller....

Nothing special.

Agree...