Joe Johnson

[rsavaj]

Trix couldn't coexist? News to me...

Raja created drama in our lockerroom because Porter was a douche.

The second one I'll give you, although I still think Raja should have just kept his mouth shut. Doesn't matter much, I wouldn't give up way too much for Raja nowadays anyway.

Trix coexisting was a huge problem. He wasn't okay with his role on the team and basically had a problem with anyone who got touches before him. There were doubts about whether his beef with Amar'e was real, but there were things said that just showed that his ego was too big for the Suns' locker room. I loved him and he was such a beast, but I would not have welcomed him back to Phoenix with open arms at any point (unless of course they just undid the Shaq for Marion swap, cause let's face it the value there was terrible).

I understand that his constant need for affirmation created stress in the lockerroom, but in my eyes, it never affected his play in the near decade that he was here. No matter how ticked he was he went out and gave his all every night.

[Fo-Real]

dosnt matter who or what happened to all the palyers everyone wants to get back, it aint happening. None of them left on good terms, so you people are just asking for chemistry problems. They all have some type of bad feelings tward the org. that sent them out (the suns).

What he said

+1 for you also. Toward the end, Marion became a real jack@$$. In his delusional mind he deserved more touches, and wanted to be a bigger part of the ofense. So a guy who isnt a strong dribbler, cant shoot consistently, is NOT!! I repeat NOT!!! a one on one player at all( he couldnt get around his man and get to the basket if his face was on fire and the defensive guy was diving for cover), was angry he didnt get the ball more. Basically he wanted to take shots from people who do have ofensive games like Steve, Amare, Raja was a shooter, Barbose (scorer), Diaw (great post ofense and shooter). He wasnt haply with his role of lockdown defender, hustle guy, who was spoon fed his ofense by the flow of the ofense, not his skills alone. Sure he made the ocasional 3, and jumper, but that was the ofense drawing his man away to help on others giving him open shots (spoon fed), and Nash ally-oops. He aint Mello, or Artest, or that type of guy who will kill you even if you cover him. YOU NOT BIG PAPPI!!!!!

[rsavaj]

I'm sorry but I don't ever recall him complaining about touches. He complained about his name being in trade rumors every summer.

[Miklo]

I'm sorry but I don't ever recall him complaining about touches. He complained about his name being in trade rumors every summer.

Then you've caught the "bring 'em all back" syndrome I was talking about.

I can't even count the times he said "I can only do as much as the number of touches I get", "they don't really draw up plays for me so I can only score when I fight for a rebound", "I would be better than a 4th option if I only got the ball more"

EDIT: I should clarify, he didn't do any complaining until his last year here. Perhaps that's where we are seeing it differently. Although he did make comments about not having plays drawn up for him all along.

[Fo-Real]

Yeah, he was complaining, maby it was his agents fault, konwing he was coming to the end of his huge contract and wanting a bigger one, knowing he hadnt shown an ofensive game. The only way to get the kind of money he wanted was to show he could be that (ofensive) guy too, he would tell Shawn to ask for the ball more to show what he was really worth, witch would have been a huge mistake for the Suns to have given in. Or maby he was really unhapply about being the 4th option ofensivly on the floor at any given time, even when the subs like Diaw, Barbosa, or even back a little farther in time little Eddie House!!!! (loved that guy) came in. He was unhappy that the Suns didnt consider a hustle guy, defensive specialist, energy guy as a MAX$$$$ player. The truth is he wasnt a max player, and it has shown since he left here. The Suns were right to move his contract, if they had given him max money, we fans would be all over them now for paying him that much for what little he brings to the table. I remember specificall one of his complaints was " I dont feel they are respecting me" (meaning the suns org.), and this fool was the highest paid player on the team at that time, THATS FRIGGIN RESPECT!!

[rsavaj]

His constant pleas for respect were pretty irksome, but we saw just how little the organization PROMOTED him. First it was Kidd...then it was Marbury...then it was Amare...now it's Nash. Marion's always been in the background even though he was consistently integral to our success for almost a decade. In 05/06 I remember a game when our drumline came out wearing Nash and Amare jerseys exclusively. Amare wasn't even PLAYING that year! Meanwhile, Marion was having one of the best seasons in the league and his own damn franchise couldn't give a crap.

[Fo-Real]

His constant pleas for respect were pretty irksome, but we saw just how little the organization PROMOTED him. First it was Kidd...then it was Marbury...then it was Amare...now it's Nash. Marion's always been in the background even though he was consistently integral to our success for almost a decade. In 05/06 I remember a game when our drumline came out wearing Nash and Amare jerseys exclusively. Amare wasn't even PLAYING that year! Meanwhile, Marion was having one of the best seasons in the league and his own damn franchise couldn't give a crap.

All of those players has something in common, leadership posistions or scoring, or the ability to make others score... those are the things to build a team arround a single player or have him as the center point, not undersized great rebounder, hustle, defense guy. Marbury, Kidd, Nash were our point guards, and our team leaders, Amare has always had supersatr potential, with his beastly size, scoring, and early on his tenacity and shot blocking ( the latter have wayned lately). So Shawn can be mad all he wants, HE'S NOT BIG PAPPI!!!!!, i mean his game didnt warrent us considering him the guy to build arround, just a really nice piece. Now at the time I would have traded him for a guy like Andri Kirilenko, because at the time he was doing the things like Marion (rebounding, defense, hustle, energy) but at the time he also had a good shot, and ofensive game. I think had they been reversed on the teams Andri would never have gone as bad as he has in our ofensive system, and would be an absolute beast next to Steve, and Amare.

[Austin]

PAT BURKE IS COMING BACK?!!?!?!? you heard the rumor here first

Thanks IHG

[Go7enKs]

Joe and Lebron in NYC with D'Antoni... look out. Wilson Chandler at the 3, Lebron at the 4 in the D'Antoni system.. who cares who the other 2 starters are.

Actually in D'Antoni's system the PG is kinda important...

[lilfishi22]

Joe and Lebron in NYC with D'Antoni... look out. Wilson Chandler at the 3, Lebron at the 4 in the D'Antoni system.. who cares who the other 2 starters are.

Actually in D'Antoni's system the PG is kinda important...

lol

[nashrambler13]

the thing with Marion was that he thought he could be a HUGE star on another team, or at least a great 2nd option, but he wasnt. plain and simple. without Steve nash, he is little more than a decent 4th option. he no longer gets good stats, and he was wrong about what he thought.

I loved Marion, but he was a jerk, and had to go. the shaq trade was a bummer, especially with all the other trade rumors i heard.

[aIvin adams]

^^ i dont know about the 'without steve nash' because of marion's pre-nash production

[nashrambler13]

ok, without Nash the past couple of years...

[aIvin adams]

true. but i wonder if there isnt still an unnashed system where he could play better than he did in mia/tor

i pray every night that dal isnt that system. dallas is the only team i hate and i stayed a trix fan until he signed with them. now im neutral until he leaves dallas.

[rsavaj]

I think Marion will do well with Kidd setting him up.

[nashrambler13]

true. but i wonder if there isnt still an unnashed system where he could play better than he did in mia/tor

i pray every night that dal isnt that system. dallas is the only team i hate and i stayed a trix fan until he signed with them. now im neutral until he leaves dallas.

wait, you dont hate the spurs? ARE U A SUNS FAN???

[chrice]

Lebron, Wade, Bosh, JJ to the Knicks.