Suns offseason

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The reason we need evan turner is because he actually knows HOW TO DRIBBLE THE BASKETBALL. the only person who knows what to do putting the ball on the floor is nash, grant hill, and dragic to an extent but not really.

Ball handling is the most underrated part of basketball these days. Ask Amare, ask Jason richardson ask leandro barbosa. All terrible terrible ball handlers. Especially amare. what a joke. he fumbles more than Beanie Wells lol.

Evan Turner is the kind of 2 guard we need for the future. Trade Amare get a high first round pick and take Evan Turner. He's the next Brandon Roy. You need a 2 guard who can take his man off the dribble and create his own shot. It's so basic yet the Suns have never had one really

I was thinking about this today actually. Look at the Cav's offense last year. 3 solid ball handlers. Mo, Delonte West, and Lebron are all good ball handlers. You double one, you've still got people who can dribble just fine. And they friekin owned. I watched them alot because of my wife. This year they took West out of the starting line up and they're suffering due to lack of weapons and angles.

You're absolutely right about our team too. Nash, Grant, Dragic... Anyone else is a wild card with the ball. Dragic's more of a nightly thing too. Either he's got his handles, or he doesn't. I'd say 1 in 3, maybe 4 nights is a doesn't night.

Tony Parker doesn't get as many assists as Nash because as a team they handle the ball better so it's more distributed.

Secondly, I would love the Utah Amare for Boozer and the pick but there's one glaring issue there. Their coach is Jerry Sloan, and he likes to have everything in a player that Amare doesn't have. I do however think that D'antoni would want Amare enough for a David Lee and their pick, which will be very very high, for Amare... Especially after the Knicks don't get anybody and David Lee can't fight a good contract after everyone's spent all their money on all the "max" players.

I just looked at Evan Turners numbers so far. What a freak. 20 pointes, 6 assists, 12 rebounds, as a 6-7 shooting guard!?

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Anyone think the Wizards could be reconvinced to give Antwan Jamison and their pick up for Amare? They would have done it last year if we didn't ask for Caron Butler.

[Jimmy76]

Anyone think the Wizards could be reconvinced to give Antwan Jamison and their pick up for Amare? They would have done it last year if we didn't ask for Caron Butler.

Im all for that and his contract isnt as bad as its made out to be he'll be a 20/9 guy minimum for the next 2 years and after that he's expiring and likely still pretty good.

He's not that good defensively but he's better than Amare. Rebounds better, extends the floor better, and he cares a hell of a lot more Id love him on the Suns.

Hopefully they still think Amare is an upgrade in "talent"

too bad itll never happen

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Anyone think the Wizards could be reconvinced to give Antwan Jamison and their pick up for Amare? They would have done it last year if we didn't ask for Caron Butler.

Im all for that and his contract isnt as bad as its made out to be he'll be a 20/9 guy minimum for the next 2 years and after that he's expiring and likely still pretty good.

He's not that good defensively but he's better than Amare. Rebounds better, extends the floor better, and he cares a hell of a lot more Id love him on the Suns.

Hopefully they still think Amare is an upgrade in "talent"

too bad itll never happen

There's a small possibility. Washington's gonna panic when they suck even with all their star players and they'll look to make a trade. ESPN even seems to think they will. I think Kerr's smarter than we've given him credit for. I assume he knows darn well what's wrong when watching games with a bunch of other people who's entire lives have been surrounded by basketball. If he was looking for a trade with Amare last year, I'm sure he'll be looking even harder this year. Amare even said in his self promotion campaign over the summer that he'd love to play there.

I would be happy if we had a trade like Amare + LB for Jamison + Mike James + Deshawn Stevenson + their pick. 2 of those are expiring contracts, so you waive em off and save 10 mil to spend on a good FA. Use that pick on Evan Turner, and we've improved out overall team IQ like crazy, and gotten Jamison who can rebound a little better and score just as well as Amare. Every time I mention LB trades I have to dodge bullets but what have undersized SG's who can only score ever done for a team? Ben Gorden, LB, AI, Giblert Arenas (I know the last 2 are technically point guards but who're we kidding?)... taken low percentage shots when an extra pass or 2 makes a high percentage shot. Their stats are great, they're fun to watch, but they don't help you win as much as you'd think.

[nashrambler13]

edit:confirmed we currently have 3 second round picks

Cool! Three chances to maybe get lucky (no sarchasm)

See also Jeff Hornacek, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker...

goran dragic...

Anyone think the Wizards could be reconvinced to give Antwan Jamison and their pick up for Amare? They would have done it last year if we didn't ask for Caron Butler.

you make me want to cry...

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NashRambler... Goran makes me happy in times of 2 double digit losses...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u42MLr3QIE

I'd rather have this years pick over last years though... Not a whole lot at the positions that we NEED to upgrade. The only good PF went 1st overall and Harden and Evans went 3rd and 4th... Maybe if we sweeten it up with 1 or 2 of our 2nd rounders from this year?

[JohnVancouver]

Can Amare's deal be extended during the season? If so, any chance we could pry away NY's (Utah) 1st in a deal including Boozer or whatever expirings/bad contracts etc etc?

I love Stat and I think he's going to be back, but I'd say you have to do that deal if UT is onboard. Also the CLE deal and any NY deal that brings back Lee, picks, etc.
Right now - no matter how much Suns Tzu can add to this team if he gets his game back all the way - he's not doing a whole hell of a lot for us, bar one 30 point game. His rebiounding is not hard to replace, most guys are equal or better defenders. We're 14-5 with a pretty good offensive PF, not a superstar. A 19/6 PF is not so hard to find - hell, Lee will do more than that with Nash. Bring back CPowell.

I'm really coming around to the idea that Stat is maybe the way out of our money troubles. Someone will want him, he still has big value. It's just that right now, we can do very well without him. As an expiring he's worth a bundle and he'll have to play his ass off for a new contract.

[JohnVancouver]

I had a look at a trade with GS - we'd get Maggette, Wright, Bell and Turiaf for Amar'e and Tuck. Leaves us Griff to waive later. Maggette has 3 yrs left. I know how thrilled we'd be to get him.
I really doubt they'd trade AR for Stat - we'd definelty have to take back a crap contract. AR has 2 yrs left on his bargain deal.
A pick would be nice

Turiaf would be great for us, fit right into the hustle squad ethic. Wright could be very good in this system. Still young enough to learn. Maggette and JRich is a scary combo, for us and other teams. About equally scary.

I'm going to look at NY just for fun.

[JohnVancouver]

Curry, Chandler, Lee for Stat and Tuck works


Yeah, I know - but Curry has 1 year left, same as Stat. He seems very motivated to get his career back - he lost about a hundred pounds. Our trainers could likely help with his knee. I think if we could get Shaq running and almost-jumping we could get Curry on the court. Or he stays out on medical and we get 80% of his salary paid.

Lee I think is perfect for the work ethic we're building. Chandler has all kinds of upside, wasted right now in NY.

If we could get a pick or two thrown in, do it. I know it's not a super-sexy trade but we don;t need that. We need hard-working types, rebounding (Lee), and an athletic forward with offense to replace Stat (Chandler). Curry is the price we pay and I still think he can be useful.
We add 12 ppg and 10 rb according to trade checker ... funny

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Stat won't extend with GS so they won't do it. I do think we can get some teams with bad contracts to bite though. the 76ers are desperate to get rid of Brand or Dalembert. Brand would screw us forever so I wouldn't do that without the next 10 years of 7er draft picks but Stat and a 2nd rounder or 2 for Dalembert, Speights and their first might be swingable.

As long as we get a 1st round pick out of NY (which they don't have this year as Utah owns it) for 2011 I'd be ok with getting Lee. I'd really like one this year though. Evan Turner, Xavier Henry, Arnett Moultrie, Michael Washington, and Gani Lawal all intrigue me at the moment, in that order.

[rsavaj]

Boozer+NYK pick for Amare seems ideal but too good to be true. Boozer's playing just fine there and Sloan would probably boot Amare off the team.

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http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5310224

+both their first round picks. We buy out Elton Brand and are screwed with money for quite a while (you have to pay for every year you would have had them don't you?) but hey, rookies don't cost as much and we'd shed about 5 mil for next year if Amare picks up his option. We then have 2 of the highest drafts. At the moment, #4 and #5. Draft Evan Turner and the best big available (which will be almost all of them) and we'd be all but rebuilt. If both drafts turn out to be totally sweet, which I fully expect, we'd have superstars and role players who are young and still developing.

In like 2-3 years we'd look like...

Dragic
Turner/Barbosa
Clark/Dudley
Jamison/Our totally awesome Draft pick/Lou
Frye/Lopez, who sucks

The bigs I mentioned earlier wouldn't work because they're all supposed to go a little bit later, except for one mock draft as Arnett Moultrie at 10. Maybe Derrick Favors or Cole Aldrich...

[OrangeNation]

you don't buy out player who still has 4 yr left on the contract...

[lilfishi22]

you don't buy out player who still has 4 yr left on the contract...

+1

[RaisingArizona]

you don't buy out player who still has 4 yr left on the contract...

Lol, we'd essentially be giving Elton a winning powerball lottery ticket

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Yeah the Brand part was more of a joke... The Amare trade, not as much.

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Really I think we're just screwed for a while unless we get lucky in the 2nd round. Nobody every won a championship without a premiere low post player, and Amare's not it. Chances of getting one is slim because they're hard to come by. To have genetics (height, size, and speed) as well as actual skills and desire in the same person happens so infrequently that when you do get one, you dominate. I see nothing short of a miracle helping us get that type of player in the next 5 years. Thus, our window for a championship is closed until we can financially recover and get some picks/pieces to build around