I hope this team misses the playoffs

[TASTIC]

You realize Suns were without Jason Richardson and Leandro Barbosa, leaving a giant gaping hole in the Shooting Guard department. To be up 15 at their home-court without two of our main guys is pretty amazing. I know Portland had guys missing too, but they have a much deeper bench with better untapped raw talent.
Let the Suns finish out the rest of December, and if they still manage to blow big leads and/or lose to higher tier teams than I'll start to worry... more.

Not a very good point. Yeah, we were missing Jrich and Barbosa, but Portland was missing like half of their team! No Oden, Fernandez, Outlaw, Mills, Pendergraph. They had 9 players total (including a scrub they picked up from the D-League so they could have another body). So for you to say it would have been a different outcome had we have had Jrich and Barbosa is crazy. Had they had more then 9 players, we would have gotten smoked even worse.

Oden they're used to playing without - it's a fact, and Prz is a very capable backup.
Prend, Mills - not worth mentioning, neither are even top 10 guys on their team like Barbosa and JRich are.
Outlaw and Rudy for sure, but they were at home and basically caught us without the only guy who's size/athleticism is comparable to EASILY their best player in Roy.
Hill's nice though, obviously, and that slicing layup he made was vintage Hill....No excuse for being up double digits though and losing a game they should have won...Frustrating I think is the key word

[Classick]

This team is doomed until Sarver/Kerr are gone. Those two single handedly ran the most promising team in the league right into the ground.

It's going to be a long decade...

[MaryvalesFinest]

This team is doomed until Sarver/Kerr are gone. Those two single handedly ran the most promising team in the league right into the ground.

It's going to be a long decade...

Yeah they deserve alot of the blame but let's not forget the Colangelo's traded the Suns #7 lotto pick in 2004 and the Knicks pick they recieved from the Marbury deal which will be another lotto pick most likely. Those two moves are probably worst than any Kerr and Sarver have done.

[Ninjafish]

If you want to see different players 1-12, then I don't understand why you just wouldn't root for a different team.

[MaryvalesFinest]

If you want to see different players 1-12, then I don't understand why you just wouldn't root for a different team.

Maybe because the Suns are my hometown team?

[JMac1]

Hoping we miss the playoffs this year is absurd. I hope we get a 2 or 3 seed and make it to the West Finals. I do agree with Mary in that we are delaying the inevitable and we are not allowing our young players to grow, we could be actually mind screwing them as we speak. Clark not being able to grow and learn on the fly because we are trying to "win" now is really vexing me, come on, Olandon friggin Tucker got burn last night!!! Clark played Roy one time and Roy tried to shoot over him and missed. Ugh!!

But I would still rather win!

[Ninjafish]

If you want to see different players 1-12, then I don't understand why you just wouldn't root for a different team.

Maybe because the Suns are my hometown team?

The Hornets are mine. I go to the games and cheer them on but if they didn't have guys I liked and wanted to see succeed such as Chris Paul and Paja, I just wouldn't care and would probably stop going to games. I can't relate.

[Stix]

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This is such a stupid idea, why rebuild now? It makes no sense whatsoever. The fact of the matter is that our core now is a Playoff team, we have played more road games than anyone else in the league thus far including playing the Lakers twice off of back-to-backs. Thus, it is hard to wager just how deep the team can go in the playoffs. We actually have a pretty decent record against contending teams, I mean we beat the Celtics at home, barely lost to the Nuggets off questionable officiating on the road, Beat the Magic, Lost to Dallas by 1 point, Beat the Spurs, Beat the Heat, Beat the Rockets, ect. This team is really not as bad as you are making them out to be, just because we blew a couple of big leads. We have been unbeatable at home, yes we are the only team undefeated at home. Therefore, wouldnt this give us somewhat an advantage in the playoffs since there are no back-to-back games? Think about it.

Even if they only make it to the first round, they still make more $$$, which would in turn allow us to trade or sign better players, like you say you want. However, there really isn't anyone available out there to trade for, most players that would allow us to "rebuild" are just simply untouchable. Chris Paul, Deron Williams, D-Wade come to mind, but the chances of them ever leaving their respective teams are slim to none, that goes for most young NBA talent out there as well. No one is going to trade us their gem for our pop-rocks, its just a fact.

And how does missing the playoffs help us "rebuild" at all!????! This makes the least sense. Like you mentioned we don't even have our pick this year, and even if we did it would be a high lotto pick at best, the draft is a crapshoot anyway like someone mentioned already. I really don't understand your reasoning that missing the playoffs would help this team? Also, how does missing the playoffs help the trade value of our players??? This thread really shouldn't have been made and makes no sense. I really do not think you are a true suns fan at all and are just on here to instigate arguments and troll the board with unreasonable posts such as this one.

Listen to what your saying dude, and think a little bit before you post this stuff... it only gives you less and less credibility every time you don't.

Can you please answer my questions Mary? Why initiate a discussion and then ignore the difference of opinion?

[eastsidecrossover]

What a lame topic. You are a fair weather fan, one that reacts after every game with a stupid thread.

First of all, it is a stupid idea to try to miss the playoffs. why, because you loose money, fans, and respectability. next, what does this team have that makes you want them to start over????? Nothing! We have no pick, our youngs are not that exciting even if you have a hard on for Clark or Dragic. this team really does not have a bright future and what I see is something that sales, that works in the current team, that fans like in certain players. This team is not a championship team, but a playoff team and is one that is a business deal I think moreso than a basketball deal.

This team needs to wait no matter what. See what we have in Clark, lopez and to see what happenes with Amare if he walks. I see a rebuilding process being long and painful for this team and for the fans.

I love this team, these players, but I see what it is and I do look forward to what the future holds for this orginization.

[MaryvalesFinest]

:roll:

This is such a stupid idea, why rebuild now? It makes no sense whatsoever. The fact of the matter is that our core now is a Playoff team, we have played more road games than anyone else in the league thus far including playing the Lakers twice off of back-to-backs. Thus, it is hard to wager just how deep the team can go in the playoffs. We actually have a pretty decent record against contending teams, I mean we beat the Celtics at home, barely lost to the Nuggets off questionable officiating on the road, Beat the Magic, Lost to Dallas by 1 point, Beat the Spurs, Beat the Heat, Beat the Rockets, ect. This team is really not as bad as you are making them out to be, just because we blew a couple of big leads. We have been unbeatable at home, yes we are the only team undefeated at home. Therefore, wouldnt this give us somewhat an advantage in the playoffs since there are no back-to-back games? Think about it.

Even if they only make it to the first round, they still make more $$$, which would in turn allow us to trade or sign better players, like you say you want. However, there really isn't anyone available out there to trade for, most players that would allow us to "rebuild" are just simply untouchable. Chris Paul, Deron Williams, D-Wade come to mind, but the chances of them ever leaving their respective teams are slim to none, that goes for most young NBA talent out there as well. No one is going to trade us their gem for our pop-rocks, its just a fact.

And how does missing the playoffs help us "rebuild" at all!????! This makes the least sense. Like you mentioned we don't even have our pick this year, and even if we did it would be a high lotto pick at best, the draft is a crapshoot anyway like someone mentioned already. I really don't understand your reasoning that missing the playoffs would help this team? Also, how does missing the playoffs help the trade value of our players??? This thread really shouldn't have been made and makes no sense. I really do not think you are a true suns fan at all and are just on here to instigate arguments and troll the board with unreasonable posts such as this one.

Listen to what your saying dude, and think a little bit before you post this stuff... it only gives you less and less credibility every time you don't.

Can you please answer my questions Mary? Why initiate a discussion and then ignore the difference of opinion?

Sorry didn't see it dude, from what I get at you're basically saying is why should the Suns rebuild when they can make the playoffs with this team right?

My answer to that is the Suns may be good enough to get into the playoffs but they don't have a chance to win it all so why not start with the rebuilding at least. Guys like Amare and Nash might not be able to bring in much talent as they used to but it would be enough to start.

Ok let's say they trade Amare and Nash for young talent this year, combine that with the Suns picks in 2011,12, 13, 14, etc...It may take awile to rebuild but once the Suns do they will have a young core that are contenders rather than being stuck in the middle and being to good to get a high lotto pick to rebuild or to bad to win it all.

[eastsidecrossover]

So your logic is since we cant win it, might as well give up and let the draft picks pile in right? So, outside of LA and Boston, should all teams give up and throw in the towel and rebuild? I would say no. Should Orlando give up?, How about Clevland or the spurs or Hawks? What about Dallas or Denver or Utah? You never know what will happen because there is still 60 games left and playoffs. You never know who will get hurt, traded or if luck bounces a certain teams way without Sterns help.

[MaryvalesFinest]

So your logic is since we cant win it, might as well give up and let the draft picks pile in right? So, outside of LA and Boston, should all teams give up and throw in the towel and rebuild? I would say no. Should Orlando give up?, How about Clevland or the spurs or Hawks? What about Dallas or Denver or Utah? You never know what will happen because there is still 60 games left and playoffs. You never know who will get hurt, traded or if luck bounces a certain teams way without Sterns help.

I'm not saying the Suns have to be a top 3 team in the league otherwise they should rebuild but right now the Suns arn't even a lock to make the playoffs, that's the point I was trying to make. If a team struggles to make the playoffs why not rebuild and try to put pieces together to become a consistent playoff team and eventually a contender?

[tigerblood]

I know what you mean Mary. I would really like to see some fresh faces on the Suns. I wish Amare had been traded at the draft for Biedrins and the others involved. In addition, last year I was hoping Nash would get moved for someone younger, perhaps in the way of the J. Kidd for Devin Harris deal. On the other side, I do like the way this team has played this year and I do look forward to some playoff basketball, even though there will be no championship this year, pending a fluke. To close, I would just try to enjoy the end of the Nash era b/c pretty soon it will be over.

[thamadkant]

Suns cannot afford to miss the playoffs this season... no benefits at all... no picks, no "stud" youngs.


I do agree that the Suns should "cash in" on one or two of their veterans and get some "young studs" on the team and a pick. I think it can be done and still accomplish making the playoffs.


Kerr get it done.



Stoudemire for young prospects and pick.

[tigerblood]

I seriously think the best option for making the playoffs and partially reloading is the following:

Amare and Jrich for TMAC, Ariza, Scola

We clear cap in the offseason and will have Ariza long term. Scola would be 20/10 playing with Nash. Who really cares what TMAC does.

[JMac1]

So your logic is since we cant win it, might as well give up and let the draft picks pile in right? So, outside of LA and Boston, should all teams give up and throw in the towel and rebuild? I would say no. Should Orlando give up?, How about Clevland or the spurs or Hawks? What about Dallas or Denver or Utah? You never know what will happen because there is still 60 games left and playoffs. You never know who will get hurt, traded or if luck bounces a certain teams way without Sterns help.

I'm not saying the Suns have to be a top 3 team in the league otherwise they should rebuild but right now the Suns arn't even a lock to make the playoffs, that's the point I was trying to make. If a team struggles to make the playoffs why not rebuild and try to put pieces together to become a consistent playoff team and eventually a contender?

Lets see. They have played the Lakers TWICE!! Bos, Atl, Miami, Dal, Denver, Cleveland, Por, SAS, Hou, ORL twice, they are 6-7 in those games with only Orl and SAS being home, they have blown games to Dal, Den and Por on the road without LB and a healthy JRich and you say they aren't a lock to make the playoffs?

They have 34 home games left where they are 9-0, with 18 consecutive W's vs. 24 road games and they don't include LA, Orl, Cle and Bos anymore, WITH a record of 17-9, just two losses behind Den and Dal, who haven't played a schedule close to ours!!

We could whine about being possibly 21-5 if not for the Knicks, No, Den and Por games, maybe even 22-4 if Josh didn't get hot. That tells me that we are actually BETTER than our record. We got a lot of payback coming in the second half of the season.

Maybe the Suns needed a reality check with the lack of focus on rebounding and defense, something they worked hard on early in the season just to lacks it off recently.

The are definately a 2-4 seed all day long! If you wanna hate, you better wait a little longer. We are just a good as any team outside of LA, hell Chauncy is starting to breakdown, Dallas and SAS is older than we are. Por, Hou and Utah are all mediocre.

I can live with getting my ass kicked in late May. You need to come to Chandler so I can shake or slap some sense into son.

[Qwigglez]

You realize Suns were without Jason Richardson and Leandro Barbosa, leaving a giant gaping hole in the Shooting Guard department. To be up 15 at their home-court without two of our main guys is pretty amazing. I know Portland had guys missing too, but they have a much deeper bench with better untapped raw talent.
Let the Suns finish out the rest of December, and if they still manage to blow big leads and/or lose to higher tier teams than I'll start to worry... more.

Not a very good point. Yeah, we were missing Jrich and Barbosa, but Portland was missing like half of their team! No Oden, Fernandez, Outlaw, Mills, Pendergraph. They had 9 players total (including a scrub they picked up from the D-League so they could have another body). So for you to say it would have been a different outcome had we have had Jrich and Barbosa is crazy. Had they had more then 9 players, we would have gotten smoked even worse.

Suns really only play 9 key guys every game, missing two of them, especially in the same position hurts a lot more IMO then what the Blazers lost. Again, the Blazers have one of the deepest teams in terms of raw talent. Blazers also have guys to replace the injured ones (Pryz replaces Oden, Webster replaces Outlaw, Bayless replaces Rudy). Oden was hurt, but they played all last season without him and never actually played with him until this year, so losing him doesn't really affect them as much as the Suns losing Barbosa who we've had for 5+years because we expect him to come off the bench and produce. Plus no one can really replace what J-Rich does (though it's not much), and I don't think the Suns have anyone who is as explosive as Barbosa off the bench. So I really think the Suns lost a lot more than what the Blazers lost, but that's just my opinion.

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