Suns Scouting Personnel

MrCheckOne2 · Post #1 » by **MrCheckOne2** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:41 pm

Okay, so there's been a few times here I've seen people criticize the Suns scouting for some picks that were made, not made etc. I don't know much bout what exactly happened, but all those round picks we sold that turned out amazing: Deng, Rondo etc.. did the Suns make the pick, then traded? Or did they pick for the other team according with whom they wanted? Or did we trade the pick before the draft?
Because if the Suns made the pick, but later decided to deal them, then I gotta say the scouting is pretty damn good, and the blame shouldn't go on WHO we pick but more WHAT we do with them. We're starting to see Goran really come into his own and just about everyone was blasting the pick last year, and we're seeing a lil bit again with Clark and Lopez. Any thoughts/knowledge on how our scouting has been recently?

MaryvalesFinest · Post #2 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:46 pm

When the other teams traded for the Suns picks they were the ones who told the Suns who to pick. Yeah though the Suns probably have the worst scouts in the league, Lopez, Dragic, Tucker, Griffin, etc are pretty much all busts. I don't blame them on Clark because this draft was weak and I would have made the same pick but he still has the most potential out of all those guys so who knows...Hopefully they get new scouts though because the current ones are horrible.

Post #3 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:01 pm

I dunno, I think we picked them. At the time we needed a SF, so we drafted Luol Deng, but later signed Quentin Richardson. Needed a backup PG so we drafted Rondo, needed a backup SG, we drafted Rudy Fernandez. Or maybe they told us to pick them, I dunno.
We don't have horrible scouts. Alando Tucker was picked 29th, only players who we passed on are Carl Landry (31), Glen Davis (35), Marc Gasol (45), Ramon Sessions (56). But really, all of those players didn't have the talent out of the draft, they worked their asses off, except maybe Marc Gasol who probably just had the talent.
Isn't much to choose from behind Taylor Griffin, maybe the Suns thought he could be a steal (like Gasol), since his brother is a beast. And maybe thats why they got Robin Lopez too lol.

garrick · Post #4 » by **garrick** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:26 am

They blew it with the RoLo pick, there were a few good players chosen after him who would have been much more productive.

Post #5 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:24 pm

garrick wrote:They blew it with the RoLo pick, there were a few good players chosen after him who would have been much more productive.

The Rolo pick was right at the time. He was seen as more being developed than other raw bigs that were taken later in the 1st round.

jolbin · Post #6 » by **jolbin** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:40 pm

How can 45th pick be a bust?
You are such a stupid homer MVF..

JohnVancouver · Post #7 » by **JohnVancouver** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:41 pm

I bitch and moan with everyone else but drafting is an inexact science, as is proved every year. Even Strawbs and Tucker weren't terrible given the position we had.
It's funny though, that even with all the high-tech draft combine stuff and the measuring and extrapolating, I still would rather depend on some seasoned coach's gut feeling about a player.
I think the stats can talk you into, or out of, a player and you will often regret it.

DBrimstone · Post #8 » by **DBrimstone** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:13 pm

JohnVancouver wrote:I bitch and moan with everyone else but drafting is an inexact science, as is proved every year. Even Strawbs and Tucker weren't terrible given the position we had.
It's funny though, that even with all the high-tech draft combine stuff and the measuring and extrapolating, I still would rather depend on some seasoned coach's gut feeling about a player.
I think the stats can talk you into, or out of, a player and you will often regret it.

Anquan Boldin dropped way far the year the Cardinals drafted him because he ran like a 4.8 or something and every receiver ahead of him was something like a 4.5 or 4.4 or something like that... And nobody knows who any of those other receivers are.

Having the talent and ability to become good is great and all, but what if they don't have the work ethic or mental toughness to do anything with it? I agree with the coach thing. Let the coaches gut feeling have a part in it

Post #9 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:09 am

You can't measure someone's drive and motivation, unless of course they don't have any. Then that's pretty easy to see. Lol.

garrick · Post #10 » by **garrick** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:44 am

Well they passed on Hibbert who had a solid back to the basket game and was more polished offensively, I guess they thought Rolo was better defensively but the dude can't stay in the game without fouling out after 6 minutes.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #11 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:47 am

jolbin wrote:How can 45th pick be a bust?
You are such a stupid homer MVF..

Considering he's being paid first round cash and the Suns basically didn't draft another PG because of him in 2009, they passed on Lawson, Holliday, Maynor, Teague, etc because they commited to Dragic. I know you're a Dragic fan but each of those guys has shown ALOT more promise than Dragic and the Suns couldn't draft one of them because they already commited to Dragic. Compare him as a starter to any other PG in the league or other teams young and talented backup PG's, you get my point so yeah the dudes pretty much a bust...

Post #12 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:15 pm

MaryvalesFinest wrote:
jolbin wrote:How can 45th pick be a bust?
You are such a stupid homer MVF..

Considering he's being paid first round cash and the Suns basically didn't draft another PG because of him in 2009, they passed on Lawson, Holliday, Maynor, Teague, etc because they commited to Dragic. I know you're a Dragic fan but each of those guys has shown ALOT more promise than Dragic and the Suns couldn't draft one of them because they already commited to Dragic. Compare him as a starter to any other PG in the league or other teams young and talented backup PG's, you get my point so yeah the dudes pretty much a bust...

Considering all of those players are averaging less than what Dragic is averaging, I don't see how they show more promise than Dragic. Lawson is averaging more points than Dragic, but he is also getting more playing time. Would much rather have a 6'4 point guard who can guard some two's, than a pint sized 5'11 guy.
Holiday is averaging less than 6 points per game, is shooting a terrible percentage and is getting more minutes than Dragic.

JohnVancouver · Post #13 » by **JohnVancouver** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:42 pm

garrick wrote:Well they passed on Hibbert who had a solid back to the basket game and was more polished offensively, I guess they thought Rolo was better defensively but the dude can't stay in the game without fouling out after 6 minutes.

Every so often I watch Gametime and see Hibbert with a nice, solid unspectacular statline and I think, uh huh, would look good in purple. I really think Hibbert could end up being the player everyone thought Oden would be. maybe not quite, but the same kind.
I think everyone passed on him - and TO was so quick to include him in the O'Neal trade - because he's just a boring, unsexy, competent 5. Nobody thought Parrish was anything special as I recall. That's why I like the 2nd round picks - lots of solid, unspectacular guys with a lot of heart and desire.