Suns vs Clippers 12/25/09 and Suns @ Warriors 12/26/2009

[dantian]

Agreed with everyone, bad loss


I smell a lineup shuffle perhaps...I can see Gentry doing something foolish like going smaller if anything

Swapping Hill for Barbosa perhaps

Either or this month can't end fast enough

I can see Amare going sooner rather than later as well...and I think out East to CHI for something like TT + Salmons + Hinrich for Amare + Tucker + Griffin

OR,

(I'd really like this as it addresses some weaknesses and I think we're just counting down to when Amare leaves. Why PHI would do it is another story haha)

Iggy + Dalembert + Carney + Smith

for

Amare + Richardson + Tucker + Griffin

Dalembert (many HATE him, but come on Nash would spoonfeed him 10pts a night)
Frye (fills the TT role and doesn't have to guard opposing Cs)
Hill
Iggy (coming home to AZ, LEGIT playmaker to help Nash and takeover in crunchtime, AND defensive)
Nash
---
Barbosa
Dudley
Carney (very underrated)
Lou
Smith (he could develop here)
Dragic
Lopez

Where is any of your deals leading the Suns to the next 3 seasons? One and done at best. We wouldn't be any worse off if Amare just left in the summer!

[TASTIC]

Here's why (besides the obvious the only way we re-sign Amare is at $20m per):

Iggy is in his prime, and locked up for 5yrs at a reasonable $12m per and topping out in 2013/14 at $15m when he'll be 29/30 - you can build around him as an ELITE SG/SF, who defends as well AND can handle running an offense when Nash is out
Dalembert is also relatively young and is what we need as a shotblocker and rebounder - same length deal as Richardson but $1.2m per less
Carney - meh, he's a 1 yr deal and might surprise
Smith - same deal

Amare's whopping deal/increase comes off the books. People who think we're just going to be able to start over WITH NO DRAFT PICK next year we're going to be spewing when our front office ends up over-signing some schmuck.

We also ditch Richardson's one trick pony routine and his contract, and we'd get to see Clark get some more mins at PF with Amare gone/Frye starting at PF. I'd rather have Dalembert at $12m - rebounding, blocking shots - than Richardson having alternating nights when he actually shows up.

So that's why personally, I would jump on the deal - considering Amare's value has risen, we might even get a draft pick out of it somehow

I don't overly like the CHI deal, but I think a coaching change/player shuffle is going to happen there soon, obviously

[lilfishi22]

Agreed with everyone, bad loss


I smell a lineup shuffle perhaps...I can see Gentry doing something foolish like going smaller if anything

Swapping Hill for Barbosa perhaps

Either or this month can't end fast enough

I can see Amare going sooner rather than later as well...and I think out East to CHI for something like TT + Salmons + Hinrich for Amare + Tucker + Griffin

OR,

(I'd really like this as it addresses some weaknesses and I think we're just counting down to when Amare leaves. Why PHI would do it is another story haha)

Iggy + Dalembert + Carney + Smith

for

Amare + Richardson + Tucker + Griffin

Dalembert (many HATE him, but come on Nash would spoonfeed him 10pts a night)
Frye (fills the TT role and doesn't have to guard opposing Cs)
Hill
Iggy (coming home to AZ, LEGIT playmaker to help Nash and takeover in crunchtime, AND defensive)
Nash
---
Barbosa
Dudley
Carney (very underrated)
Lou
Smith (he could develop here)
Dragic
Lopez

I agree with that being a big possibility cause I don't know if Amare will sign with the 76ers but he is def interested in signing with chicago anyway so its a team that wont have to worry about him not signing. We should try and get a pick from them though.

Amare signing there is one thing, them signing him to a long-term contract is another. Even if they find a way to pull off a miracle trade to unload Brand, I doubt they would be racing to give out another huge long term contract to another "injury-prone" big. Stefanski isn't dumb enough to make the same mistake again.

For us the Philly trade nets us the best talent but the Chicago trade would be more likely.

Here's why (besides the obvious the only way we re-sign Amare is at $20m per):

Iggy is in his prime, and locked up for 5yrs at a reasonable $12m per and topping out in 2013/14 at $15m when he'll be 29/30 - you can build around him as an ELITE SG/SF, who defends as well AND can handle running an offense when Nash is out
Dalembert is also relatively young and is what we need as a shotblocker and rebounder - same length deal as Richardson but $1.2m per less
Carney - meh, he's a 1 yr deal and might surprise
Smith - same deal

Amare's whopping deal/increase comes off the books. People who think we're just going to be able to start over WITH NO DRAFT PICK next year we're going to be spewing when our front office ends up over-signing some schmuck.

We also ditch Richardson's one trick pony routine and his contract, and we'd get to see Clark get some more mins at PF with Amare gone/Frye starting at PF. I'd rather have Dalembert at $12m - rebounding, blocking shots - than Richardson having alternating nights when he actually shows up.

So that's why personally, I would jump on the deal - considering Amare's value has risen, we might even get a draft pick out of it somehow

I don't overly like the CHI deal, but I think a coaching change/player shuffle is going to happen there soon, obviously

+1 to everything. I don't think there's need for the Iggy "hard sell" lol, that guy is a stud.

Dally sucks but defensively he's solid and a much better big man defender than any of our guys by a mile. Don't see too much in Smith or Carney, but they are cheap and young so whatever.

[JohnVancouver]

Chicago can give us Gray, whom I like as a backup, Miller and TT for Sat and Tucker - throw in Griffin and use Chi's trade exception

Leaves us a real NBA big with an expiring, largeish deal in Miller, TT, whom they will have to re-sign soon and can't afford to keep, and Gray who is coming back from injury but I've seen do good things.
What we end up with is Tyrus - let miller expire, or trade him later depending on what's offered. Gray costs pennies and is better than FroLo but Lopez is likely more tradeable as he's newer and has some "upside"cachet left ... also some of his brother's sine likely has rubbed off. Sell him as "good kid, just in t he wrong system" and other horse-trade malarkey.

I'd prefer to get another young guy but they have an abundance of forwards and that would be bad for Duds, Lou, EC.
Now, if we add Hinrich in and really swap rosters, we could make them take JRich.

Hinrich isn't a sexy addition but he's a solid defender - he and Dragic would be very tough on other teams.

Miller
Stat
Frye
Hinrich/DRagic
Nash/Hinrich

gives us flex with adding Barbs in with either Nash, Hinrich or Dragic


losing my mind here